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#114841
On May 25 2026 23:09 WombaT wrote:
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On May 25 2026 22:47 Vivax wrote:
On May 25 2026 11:24 WombaT wrote:
On May 25 2026 09:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 25 2026 07:48 WombaT wrote:
On May 24 2026 13:32 dyhb wrote:
On May 24 2026 10:00 WombaT wrote:
On May 24 2026 09:15 dyhb wrote:
On May 23 2026 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said
The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years


What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech.

And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered.

I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year.
Carter set himself up to manage the decline, which he wanted to convince America was inevitable and worse if Carter couldn't enact his policies. Reagan charged that Carter was the reason for the decline, and it was time for a new direction. Reagan asked Americans to consider whether they were better off than they were 4 years ago.

It's also a little amazing to cite "one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century" whose entire subject matter led to one of the greatest presidential defeats of the 20th Century (44 states is HUGE). Maybe you meant to say one of the most infamous presidential speeches in the last 100 years --- the malaise speech does qualify. But America was ready for a little hope and change.

Still a good speech to be fair, and rather illustrative of other things. Having some actual balls in owning failure, respecting the intelligence of the audience. Quite quaint really

I don’t think you’ll get many arguments that it wasn’t exactly an effective speech for Jimmy Carter, absolutely.

It’s quite stark to take basically any speech from this vague era or prior, be it a politician whose politics one shares or not, and how much better it will for something modern. Feels modern ones are min/maxed the fuck for the lowest common denominator and most actual substance has been stripped out
If he had the good sense to own failure, he wouldn't have run in 1980!

But he probably would've lost even if he hadn't made that fateful malaise speech. It wasn't going to save a presidency.

Sure, who’s arguing otherwise?

It’s an effective illustration that being a generally decent human being and admitting faults isn’t especially prudent course of action if you want to be a viable politician, even 50 years ago and it’s only got worse since.

Nowadays you can say zero of any substance, claim immigrants are eating pets, and basically ramble 95% of the time and that’s like totally fine. Nae bother lad

You’ve people going to fucking bat on how percentages work for you, why bother contributing anything sensible?

And even setting aside Trump's thousands of lies and fabrications over the past decade, his supporters are still okay with him being a pedophile + racist + sexist + rapist + fascist + felon. He could have kept his mouth mostly shut and still been one of the least ethical human beings to become president in this day and age.

Have you considered you might have TDS?

But no, being even vaguely serious you are correct, he’s so lacking in positive characteristics that he can’t even be a cunt one begrudgingly respects


A presidency comes with terms and conditions.
One, he's got to be willing to kill people. Two, he accepts political exposure. Three, he actually got elected, so no matter what he does, he's still officially representing his voters.

It's not like some half-wit launched him into that chair.
If such a half-wit ever existed, I'd hope for them to get run over by a chariot drawn by lions and eaten.

I mean it wasn’t a singular halfwit agreed, just quite a lot of them


The cocaine levels of the sewage water must have been high at the time.
Almost at hired clown levels in Austria. They seem a bit nervous today, wonder what's been put in circulation now that makes them upset. Not like they'd tell me considering their previous intentions. Not sure what kinda evil stuff's around the corner now, but I'm on alert, like always when the Niedertracht faction makes a move.

Had enough vile surprises over the years to be absolutely furious. But this methodical ? Is it a Trump thing or is it a local thing? I can't even tell. It's not like the evil bastards don't have connections.
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States331 Posts
2 hours ago
#114842
On May 25 2026 07:48 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2026 13:32 dyhb wrote:
On May 24 2026 10:00 WombaT wrote:
On May 24 2026 09:15 dyhb wrote:
On May 23 2026 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said
The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years


What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech.

And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered.

I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year.
Carter set himself up to manage the decline, which he wanted to convince America was inevitable and worse if Carter couldn't enact his policies. Reagan charged that Carter was the reason for the decline, and it was time for a new direction. Reagan asked Americans to consider whether they were better off than they were 4 years ago.

It's also a little amazing to cite "one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century" whose entire subject matter led to one of the greatest presidential defeats of the 20th Century (44 states is HUGE). Maybe you meant to say one of the most infamous presidential speeches in the last 100 years --- the malaise speech does qualify. But America was ready for a little hope and change.

Still a good speech to be fair, and rather illustrative of other things. Having some actual balls in owning failure, respecting the intelligence of the audience. Quite quaint really

I don’t think you’ll get many arguments that it wasn’t exactly an effective speech for Jimmy Carter, absolutely.

It’s quite stark to take basically any speech from this vague era or prior, be it a politician whose politics one shares or not, and how much better it will for something modern. Feels modern ones are min/maxed the fuck for the lowest common denominator and most actual substance has been stripped out
If he had the good sense to own failure, he wouldn't have run in 1980!

But he probably would've lost even if he hadn't made that fateful malaise speech. It wasn't going to save a presidency.

Sure, who’s arguing otherwise?

It’s an effective illustration that being a generally decent human being and admitting faults isn’t especially prudent course of action if you want to be a viable politician, even 50 years ago and it’s only got worse since.
Oh yeah. He was a decent human being. Not too good at being a president, but we have had worse before and after. We've had absolute scumbags that were average presidents, and good people that were terrible presidents.

Carter did a lot of good post-presidency.

Nowadays you can say zero of any substance, claim immigrants are eating pets, and basically ramble 95% of the time and that’s like totally fine. Nae bother lad

You’ve people going to fucking bat on how percentages work for you, why bother contributing anything sensible?
Not really a comment on the speech itself, but I agree with you on the decline in the years since Carter for presidents.
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