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On May 23 2026 03:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2026 02:53 Billyboy wrote:On May 23 2026 02:25 Vivax wrote:
There's a bit of hope for a less screwed up leadership under JDV in the future at least, for now he's got to play ball.
Maybe he can rein in the MuskZuck menace terrorizing the population. He’s doing a great job reining Trump… I’m sure he will really hold the people with way more money to the fire and not just enrich himself…. As if holding back Trump was easy. You can't just reverse the casinoification of the western monetary system, but you can limit the damage the profiteers did going forward instead of equipping them with more unchecked powers or having morons with so much control over the internet. He didn't come from a situation that put heat on him so he's less bound to systematically throw distractions around.
Do you think billionaires are easy to hold back? And what is his incentive to do so? Personally it will work out much better for him and be easier to work with them, than against them.
I see no reason a professional yes man is going to grow a spine. Why do you think he's going to change?
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On May 23 2026 03:46 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2026 03:03 Vivax wrote:On May 23 2026 02:53 Billyboy wrote:On May 23 2026 02:25 Vivax wrote:
There's a bit of hope for a less screwed up leadership under JDV in the future at least, for now he's got to play ball.
Maybe he can rein in the MuskZuck menace terrorizing the population. He’s doing a great job reining Trump… I’m sure he will really hold the people with way more money to the fire and not just enrich himself…. As if holding back Trump was easy. You can't just reverse the casinoification of the western monetary system, but you can limit the damage the profiteers did going forward instead of equipping them with more unchecked powers or having morons with so much control over the internet. He didn't come from a situation that put heat on him so he's less bound to systematically throw distractions around. Do you think billionaires are easy to hold back? And what is his incentive to do so? Personally it will work out much better for him and be easier to work with them, than against them. I see no reason a professional yes man is going to grow a spine. Why do you think he's going to change?
I said it's a hope of mine that the political landscape will improve, not a certainty.
Guess I'm mildly optimistic. Don't see the need to defend the position strongly.
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I hope that as well. I just don't see any reason to think it is realistic. As long as the rules stay as they are and people are OK with leadership constantly "saying what sounds better"(lying), then it will get worse not better.
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On May 22 2026 13:40 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2026 04:27 Sermokala wrote:On May 22 2026 04:08 oBlade wrote:On May 22 2026 03:53 Sermokala wrote:On May 22 2026 02:43 oBlade wrote:On May 22 2026 01:54 Sermokala wrote:On May 21 2026 13:50 oBlade wrote:Speaking of charges, one of the Feeding Our Future fraud defendants in Minnesota was just charged with $4.6 million in wire fraud after her daycare operation closed shortly after being exposed in a Nick Shirley video. If you read this story you'll find out that they were already charged for fraud earlier, and this is just another set of charges after the already happening investigation continued. Nothing of value came from nick Shirleys video, children were kidnapped and others were killed for it. On legitimate news www.startribune.com The first ICE officer to be charged for the invasion is turning himself in for his crimes. Heres hopeing more are charged as a result. You had to read the story to find out she was already charged in the Feeding our Future fraud? That's the first thing I said. It's right there plain as day. How do you miss that? They are separate investigations because Feeding Our Future is not a daycare, many of those defendants had no daycares, and other people are charged in daycare fraud who never had anything to do with the Feeding Our Future organization. Unless you think all fraud in the US is just under one ongoing investigation. Children will continue to be "kidnapped" as long as the federal government has to take parents who do illegal things into custody, because the federal government is not in the business of just setting children loose in the streets if their family is arrested. I mean kidnapping kids and taking them to a texas detention facility being the cost of doing business was not on my bucket list but I should have expected that. You would think a child is blameless for the acts of their parents or something could be done to minimize child abuse but I guess ICE is just following orders. Bucket list lol. Probably not the list metaphor you meant. We have some more common ground than I thought, I had just assumed you were one of the people who thought parents were blameless for the acts of themselves to begin with. As long as you're okay with arresting the parents, what's your policy solution for dealing with minors in the family without what you see as kidnapping/abuse? No its the list metaphor I meant. Thats a pretty insane thing to assume about other people. No one thinks the immigration system is functional as we are what we disagree with is if an immigrant is a human being who has value and deserves respect. Also that we live in a nation with the 5th Amendment, but that's a different bag of cats. You find their relatives in the state where they come from so they can keep going back to their school. Liams mom was just not at the home at the time so ICE decided to ship him to a detention facility across the nation. If that fails a foster home, you know basic human empathy for children. I don't know where you get as a person where taking a child from their home and locking them up in a facility more than a thousand miles away is an aceptable outcome. Liam's mom was literally inside the home. She wouldn't take the kid because she thought she would be detained and it was a trick. He and his father were detained together. That is better than a foster family. For families without a mother, that is already the whole family together. If she had been detained as well, they would have been kept together the 3 of them instead of 2. They already transfer custody of kids to CPS which then leads to foster homes sometimes in cases of 1) child is a citizen of parents with no legal status 2) spurious/unverifiable family claims 3) unaccompanied children
Do you see how fucked up it is that his mom thought that she would be detained if she took the kid? Do you think it would be better if all three were transported across state lines and locked up? Keep in mind yes they were here legally and there was no reason for them to be detained in the first place. They were released seperately later so don't try anymore with this nonsense about them being detained togeather. If they already transfer custody to CPS why didn't they do it this time? or the other thousand or so children that were snached from minnesota and shipped to texas?
Do you think he was released and flown back north for no reason when politicians got involved? They were all released because there was never a reason to detain them in the first place so the child abuse didn't even gain anything for anyone.
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US judge dismisses indictment against Salvadoran migrant Kilmar Abrego: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-judge-dismisses-indictment-against-salvadoran-migrant-kilmar-abrego-2026-05-22/
"The court does not reach its conclusion lightly," Crenshaw wrote. "The objective evidence here shows that, absent Abrego's successful lawsuit challenging his removal to El Salvador, the Government would not have brought this prosecution."
I hope the Abrego family can finally get some peace. This lawfare because the administration can't take their L is reaching absurd levels.
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I think he still has a final order of removal, so this probably is not over yet.
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i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said
The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years
What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech.
And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered.
I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year.
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On May 23 2026 04:14 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2026 13:40 oBlade wrote:On May 22 2026 04:27 Sermokala wrote:On May 22 2026 04:08 oBlade wrote:On May 22 2026 03:53 Sermokala wrote:On May 22 2026 02:43 oBlade wrote:On May 22 2026 01:54 Sermokala wrote:On May 21 2026 13:50 oBlade wrote:Speaking of charges, one of the Feeding Our Future fraud defendants in Minnesota was just charged with $4.6 million in wire fraud after her daycare operation closed shortly after being exposed in a Nick Shirley video. If you read this story you'll find out that they were already charged for fraud earlier, and this is just another set of charges after the already happening investigation continued. Nothing of value came from nick Shirleys video, children were kidnapped and others were killed for it. On legitimate news www.startribune.com The first ICE officer to be charged for the invasion is turning himself in for his crimes. Heres hopeing more are charged as a result. You had to read the story to find out she was already charged in the Feeding our Future fraud? That's the first thing I said. It's right there plain as day. How do you miss that? They are separate investigations because Feeding Our Future is not a daycare, many of those defendants had no daycares, and other people are charged in daycare fraud who never had anything to do with the Feeding Our Future organization. Unless you think all fraud in the US is just under one ongoing investigation. Children will continue to be "kidnapped" as long as the federal government has to take parents who do illegal things into custody, because the federal government is not in the business of just setting children loose in the streets if their family is arrested. I mean kidnapping kids and taking them to a texas detention facility being the cost of doing business was not on my bucket list but I should have expected that. You would think a child is blameless for the acts of their parents or something could be done to minimize child abuse but I guess ICE is just following orders. Bucket list lol. Probably not the list metaphor you meant. We have some more common ground than I thought, I had just assumed you were one of the people who thought parents were blameless for the acts of themselves to begin with. As long as you're okay with arresting the parents, what's your policy solution for dealing with minors in the family without what you see as kidnapping/abuse? No its the list metaphor I meant. Thats a pretty insane thing to assume about other people. No one thinks the immigration system is functional as we are what we disagree with is if an immigrant is a human being who has value and deserves respect. Also that we live in a nation with the 5th Amendment, but that's a different bag of cats. You find their relatives in the state where they come from so they can keep going back to their school. Liams mom was just not at the home at the time so ICE decided to ship him to a detention facility across the nation. If that fails a foster home, you know basic human empathy for children. I don't know where you get as a person where taking a child from their home and locking them up in a facility more than a thousand miles away is an aceptable outcome. Liam's mom was literally inside the home. She wouldn't take the kid because she thought she would be detained and it was a trick. He and his father were detained together. That is better than a foster family. For families without a mother, that is already the whole family together. If she had been detained as well, they would have been kept together the 3 of them instead of 2. They already transfer custody of kids to CPS which then leads to foster homes sometimes in cases of 1) child is a citizen of parents with no legal status 2) spurious/unverifiable family claims 3) unaccompanied children Do you see how fucked up it is that his mom thought that she would be detained if she took the kid? Do you think it would be better if all three were transported across state lines and locked up? Keep in mind yes they were here legally and there was no reason for them to be detained in the first place. They were released seperately later so don't try anymore with this nonsense about them being detained togeather. If they already transfer custody to CPS why didn't they do it this time? or the other thousand or so children that were snached from minnesota and shipped to texas?
Oh great, a "States Lines"er.
The FBI crossed state lines to get Ted Kaczynski, did you know?
They transfer custody to CPS in the cases I told you. This isn't one of those cases.
They were detained together at South Texas Family Residential Center in Dilley, Texas. They were also released together. Besides which, not being released together doesn't mean they weren't detained together. That would be the logic of saying twins who die on different days therefore weren't born together. You just say random shit.
There are not infinite foster homes in every neighborhood in the US and it makes no fucking sense whatsoever for you to say it's an abusive tragedy that he was separated from his mother so the real solution is he should also have been separated from his father.
On May 23 2026 04:14 Sermokala wrote:
Do you think he was released and flown back north for no reason when politicians got involved? They were all released because there was never a reason to detain them in the first place so the child abuse didn't even gain anything for anyone.
The government may have been early in this case, sure (they were ordered removed in March). Your problem is it's incredibly weird to think in the hundreds of thousands of other cases the policy should be to just put kids in random foster homes when the parents are explicitly known and already in state custody.
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On May 23 2026 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said Show nested quote +The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech. And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered. I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year.
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan from the 20s.
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On May 24 2026 00:07 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2026 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech. And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered. I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year. Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan from the 20s.
I don't think Jimmy Carter was trying to bring back the Klam during his speech. He said something like :" it is time to stop crying ... And it is time to start sweating". That's where he was going with his speech.
Reagan carried it further with a great marketing slogan.
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clearly the problem with America is in the 21st century is that people are not working hard enough.
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On May 24 2026 00:22 Gorsameth wrote:
clearly the problem with America is in the 21st century is that people are not working hard enough.
Only those who didn't invent some random shitcoin during Trumps first term.
You can't stop progress. Here's a digital piece of paper, please Don, make it worth a few millions.
While you're at it, why don't you also pump a few extremists notorious for their infamy around this region.
Spread the Niedertracht thick.
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On May 23 2026 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said Show nested quote +The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech. And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered. I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year. Carter set himself up to manage the decline, which he wanted to convince America was inevitable and worse if Carter couldn't enact his policies. Reagan charged that Carter was the reason for the decline, and it was time for a new direction. Reagan asked Americans to consider whether they were better off than they were 4 years ago.
It's also a little amazing to cite "one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century" whose entire subject matter led to one of the greatest presidential defeats of the 20th Century (44 states is HUGE). Maybe you meant to say one of the most infamous presidential speeches in the last 100 years --- the malaise speech does qualify. But America was ready for a little hope and change.
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On May 24 2026 09:15 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2026 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech. And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered. I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year. Carter set himself up to manage the decline, which he wanted to convince America was inevitable and worse if Carter couldn't enact his policies. Reagan charged that Carter was the reason for the decline, and it was time for a new direction. Reagan asked Americans to consider whether they were better off than they were 4 years ago. It's also a little amazing to cite "one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century" whose entire subject matter led to one of the greatest presidential defeats of the 20th Century (44 states is HUGE). Maybe you meant to say one of the most infamous presidential speeches in the last 100 years --- the malaise speech does qualify. But America was ready for a little hope and change.
Still a good speech to be fair, and rather illustrative of other things. Having some actual balls in owning failure, respecting the intelligence of the audience. Quite quaint really
I don’t think you’ll get many arguments that it wasn’t exactly an effective speech for Jimmy Carter, absolutely.
It’s quite stark to take basically any speech from this vague era or prior, be it a politician whose politics one shares or not, and how much better it will for something modern. Feels modern ones are min/maxed the fuck for the lowest common denominator and most actual substance has been stripped out
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On May 24 2026 10:00 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2026 09:15 dyhb wrote:On May 23 2026 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i'd like to reflect upon one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century: Jimmy Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech. It occurred on July 15 , 1979. In that speech he said The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past 5 years What is interesting is.. from that day until December 1982 unemployment rose from 5.8% to 10.8%. The people were largely correct in their assessment. The next 3.5 years things were very hard and probably worse than anything experienced in the 5 years prior to Carter's July 1979 speech. And as I've stated previously I contend, this speech kicked off the "Let's Make America Great Again" // "We Can Make America Great Again" movement that Reagan engineered. I wish I could have experienced the 1980 presidential election. What a battle. The hostages stuck in Iran... the Miracle On Ice. The geniuses making the best Atari games had just left and created Activision .... damn.. what a fascinating year. Carter set himself up to manage the decline, which he wanted to convince America was inevitable and worse if Carter couldn't enact his policies. Reagan charged that Carter was the reason for the decline, and it was time for a new direction. Reagan asked Americans to consider whether they were better off than they were 4 years ago. It's also a little amazing to cite "one of the greatest presidential speeches of the 20th Century" whose entire subject matter led to one of the greatest presidential defeats of the 20th Century (44 states is HUGE). Maybe you meant to say one of the most infamous presidential speeches in the last 100 years --- the malaise speech does qualify. But America was ready for a little hope and change. Still a good speech to be fair, and rather illustrative of other things. Having some actual balls in owning failure, respecting the intelligence of the audience. Quite quaint really I don’t think you’ll get many arguments that it wasn’t exactly an effective speech for Jimmy Carter, absolutely. It’s quite stark to take basically any speech from this vague era or prior, be it a politician whose politics one shares or not, and how much better it will for something modern. Feels modern ones are min/maxed the fuck for the lowest common denominator and most actual substance has been stripped out If he had the good sense to own failure, he wouldn't have run in 1980!
But he probably would've lost even if he hadn't made that fateful malaise speech. It wasn't going to save a presidency.
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