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On April 08 2026 23:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote + Hegseth also calls Israel a "brave, willing and capable ally" to the US. He says the rest of the world and other "so-called" allies of the US "should take some notes". Ok mate, if you say so.
NATO countries should follow Israel's lead and brazenly intervene in upcoming US elections to benefit Democrats, like Netanyahu did for Republicans.
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On April 08 2026 22:52 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 21:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:So Trump's negotiation strategies have won the day ... again. Most of the toll money will go to Oman which will go straight to the USA. What little toll money the Iranians get will be used in place of war reparations. and, We just barely dodged yet another Nuclear Holocaust! whew! I feel safer already! On April 08 2026 21:39 Velr wrote:
Your only saying that because your in the pocket of big 4 stroke. i also love Go Kart racing. My affinity for 2-stroke engines runs pretty deep for a lot of different reasons On April 08 2026 21:47 Gorsameth wrote:On April 08 2026 21:44 LightSpectra wrote:Trump and his FCC appointee are threatening CNN for the following: "Following the announcement, CNN published a post to its online live blog detailing the Iranian response. "Iran says it has achieved a great victory and forced the United States to accept its 10-point plan, according to a statement from Iran's Supreme National Security Council report by Iranian state media," the post read." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-cnn-threat-iran-ceasefire-b2953429.html Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump is trying to hide that this would be Americas biggest defeat since Vietnam? i'd measure a country by the quality of life of its average citizen rather than by whatever wars they win or lose. I mean do you though? You seem to basically discount the existence of poor people when assessing the US vs other comparable nations
i do. i rank Canada as better than the USA from 1950 to 2015. During that era the working class in Canada had a better shot at becoming middle class//upper middle class//rich. Canada had better Unions. Canada started to slowly decline in 2004. When Jean Chretien and Mike Harris quit they were not replaced by leaders at their level.
Bob Rae losing the liberal leadership to Justin Trudeau was the nail in the coffin for Canada.
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On April 08 2026 23:03 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 22:59 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 22:56 KwarK wrote:On April 08 2026 22:52 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 22:45 KwarK wrote:On April 08 2026 17:46 oBlade wrote:
Everyone except Iran, you mean, which is also much better off, having defeated several US Navy torpedoes with the hulls of its ships. Again, to be clear, your stance is that there is no Iran and hasn't been for over a month now. Update: Looks like they have managed to get enough command and control and central authority back to agree to a 2 week cease fire before their civilization ceased to exist. Wow, that seems like a pretty huge thing for you to miss. The country ceased to exist and then popped right back out of the blue. Really makes you wonder if you're getting your information from quality sources. It just popped right back. Like an underwater mine. lol I never claimed that bottom mines had been destroyed. You heard that Iran had somehow been caught off guard by the attack Trump had been threatening to do for a decade and had instantly ceased to exist after air strikes and thought "yeah, that sounds plausible, I'm going to start repeating that, I bet nobody will laugh at me". Take your licks man, you worked hard for them. In other news, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the Iranian Navy is still in control of the strait and that ships are still stuck awaiting Iranian permission before they pass. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-2026-trump-deadline-latest-news/card/iranian-navy-tells-ships-they-still-need-permission-to-transit-hormuz-FMzNRiVrAIPGWczJDXwFNo non Iranian ships have passed since Trump declared the strait open.
Since they haven't been destroyed, have you considered that part of the cowardly surrender of the US by Trump to Iran might be that part of the deal goals Tehran has in mind is that that Tehran wants ships to be able to pass so they can tax them, but do not have the capability to undo/disarm/clear the enormous mine threat that they themselves have definitely set up and really exists? In other words, the US agrees to de-mine to share the lucrative toll profits?
You heard that Iran had somehow been caught off guard by the attack Trump had been threatening to do for a decade and had instantly ceased to exist after air strikes and thought "yeah, that sounds plausible, I'm going to start repeating that, I bet nobody will laugh at me".
No, I used my own mind and composed a sentence for rhetorical effect. Have you ever done that? You've latched to it and taken it quite literally forever, because despite having a family I guess misunderstanding shit on purpose is more fun. But don't take things too literally all the time. Like I mean obviously you weren't being literal when you said someone should blow up SCOTUS, and I would never make such an assumption that would hold you to so low a standard.
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oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible.
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On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 03:33 WombaT wrote:
Happy Day of Cake DPB! Enjoy Thanks! On April 14 2025 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 01:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 00:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 13 2025 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 12 2025 16:54 Acrofales wrote:
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Is it? Here is you:
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You seem ready to "push back against any anti-education policies". And you think other professionals could also push back. How do you think you and they should "push back"? Do you think that refusing to work on those anti-education policies is a form of pushing back? Or is that too radical? Is the most pushback you'd support to change your Facebook page (like Kwark is ironically suggesting)? Or should they voice their concern to their superior while collaborating on implementing the, and I repeat, *anti-education* policies these educators are asked to implement? Or is even voicing that concern to your superior too personally risky, and calling for pushback on a gaming forum is about the extent of your rebelliousness? + Show Spoiler +I already answered those questions in the later post that you didn't respond to: https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4922#98428 It depends on multiple factors. For example, it may depend on how harmful the policy is. It may also depend on the individual - how willing/able they are to risk certain consequences (being reprimanded, being fired, being able to find a new job, being able to still support themselves and their family financially, etc.). I had written that "some people may have different approaches (publicly protesting, secretly resisting, doing the bare minimum to cover their own butt from a semantics perspective, etc.)" and I think that's true too. There probably isn't a perfect way to protest or a universal way to voice your displeasure about a policy that you don't agree with, because of how nuanced these situations can be. For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that the pushback against *anti-education* policies that, as an educator, you would personally be willing to commit to is to lay down your work until those policies are reversed. There are some that I would, and there are some that I wouldn't. As I mentioned several times before: it depends. For example, let's suppose that Donald Trump signed a piece of paper that said "Math teachers need to say that pi equals 3". That's a pretty dumb and obviously anti-education thing for Trump to force onto educators, but there are ways to exploit a trivial loophole and technically check off that "I officially said that pi equals 3" box, without needing to undermine basic math education, or refuse to teach altogether, or completely quit my job. I would, instead, use a different strategy I listed, which would be "doing the bare minimum to cover their own butt from a semantics perspective", and I would try to mold this weird Trump-enforced limitation into learning experiences for my students: - It would not be hard to say "pi equals 3... after rounding to the nearest whole number", and then we could have a discussion on different sets of numbers (whole numbers vs. integers vs. rationals vs. irrationals vs. reals), and talk about the pros and cons of rounding and estimation. - It would also not be hard to have students use string, a ruler, and a circle to calculate pi on their own (1. measure the circumference; 2. measure the diameter; 3. divide them), and then ask them "How would you respond to me if I told you: 'pi equals 3'?". See, I just technically said "pi equals 3". They could even confirm a more precise value of pi with a calculator or computer, and we could have a meaningful discussion about ways to compute pi, and how it's not simply based on what one person dictates (whether that's me or Trump or anyone else). - Or, depending on how sassy I feel, I might transparently tell my students that Trump is forcing me to say "pi equals 3" even though it's incorrect (or maybe I'll just have them read an article that reports that, if I'm not allowed to technically say that to my students), and maybe I'll make it extremely clear, with several eye-winks, that we're now going to call the π symbol "cake" instead of "pie", or perhaps "ice cream" or whatever other dessert a student wants. And, quite frankly, the label itself isn't particularly relevant; the mathematical value of pi doesn't come from its name anyway, and we could probably have a fun, creative discussion evolving from that. I can still make sure my students learn what they need to learn about pi. On the other hand, if Trump signed a piece of paper that insisted that female students (or gay students, or students of color, etc.) are no longer allowed to learn any math in math classrooms - that math teachers inside their classrooms can only teach students who are white/male/straight/cis/whatever, and that other demographics aren't allowed - then you'd better believe that we'll be protesting and refusing to teach anyone in the classroom. And then I'd be holding free tutoring sessions over Zoom (or some other platform) where any student can join, and I'd make sure that I educate everyone virtually, since it can't be done properly in the classroom anymore. Not all teachers have the time or financial ability to do that though. I don't think Trump would try to enforce either of these two anti-education extremes, but these are just to show that not all policies and not all responses are going to be identical. It depends on the circumstances and the individuals. Not sure why you've chosen not to contribute to developing a general strike with demands you would support yet, but I'm honestly thrilled someone finally drew some sort of line. Probably the same reason as just about everyone else: Because I don't feel like it. I think your other questions are interesting though: I understand it does beg questions like what about undocumented immigrants being banned from the classroom? Or what about trans and/or other students just not being safe at school to the point they can't attend, without any specific ban enacted? It would seem to cross your line but also be somewhat already true. Presumably you'd also do this in solidarity with English or Science teachers even if Math was unaffected? While you should answer those questions (for yourself first), the point is to make a mark that you can measure to see if it has been passed and you have to do something radically different than you typically do under electoralism. Undocumented immigrants being removed from my classroom (although I don't even know if I have any undocumented students): I'd consider a strike. Trans/Other students feeling unsafe: I'd consider a strike if needed, though fortunately our school does a pretty good job of creating a safe and accepting culture (according to my students, including those who are LGBTQ+). The president illegally kidnapping people and shipping them to foreign prisons, then defending it in court in a way that would mean he could do that to anyone, citizen or not, is more than enough for me. I'd argue it should be more than enough for any reasonable person. Hence correcting it being a "must have" demand for a general strike I'd support.
Would you support a general strike that demanded the immediate return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia? What else might it demand? No. I don’t think that a math teacher refusing to teach can reasonably lead to anything so far removed and irrelevant, like what Trump did to KAAG. On the other hand, I could see how a local teacher strike might have the potential to affect a local school (students being unsafe, students not being taught, etc.). First, happy cakeday! Initially I thought "big yikes!" at the "I don't feel like it". But now I see you're making your opposition to general strikes/solidarity in actions (at distance) as concepts more clear, so it's just a regular yikes I guess haha. While I'm still hoping for contributions toward the general strike effort here from anyone that wants to stop Trump's worst offenses, I do see value in exploring what you took interest in. I could be misunderstanding, so feel free to clarify anything you'd like. You seem to be organizing your line very locally and specifically. Basically seeming to draw your line when it directly impacts you/your school/your students specifically. It sounds like it might extend as far as your district? As in you would probably join a protest/strike if trans students were banned from another one of the schools in your district. It gets less clear if you would join/support a protest/strike for them crossing your line somewhere else in the county, state, or country. I understand and appreciate your lack of recognition for how math teachers joining a general strike can contribute toward a collective and massive protest/effort of people refusing to "act normally" when such heinous crimes are being perpetrated by their elected government. I also understand your refusal to see how that massive collective effort/protest can change/stop those governments in ways scattered localized and specific protests can't. I believe it is in part a consequence of a deliberate bipartisan effort to deprive all of us of the domestic and global history that contradicts your current beliefs. That said, whether it's general strikes in Brazil, Euromaidan in Ukraine, or the George Floyd/BLM uprisings in the US, it's clearly not going to be easy to stop/redirect this train to fascism we're all on, and nobody has discovered a magic bullet solution. Thank you for the happy cake day! I think your summary of how my preference for a personal strike becomes less clear and less likely as we zoom out from local to state to national is pretty accurate. I think that drawing a line from teachers to their school is a lot simpler, clearer, and more likely to have an impact than if we were hoping that the Trump administration would decide to change (or even care) based on what one teacher or one school or even one district does. As the degrees of separation increase between the person striking and the space they want to change, I personally become more skeptical of a strike working, and therefore less likely to strike. I'm also personally pretty risk-averse, so at most levels I'm more likely to join a growing strike than to start one. I appreciate your engagement with the summary. I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike. It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid. The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!)
Interesting.
Is anyone going to deliberately participate?
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On April 08 2026 23:13 oBlade wrote:
No, I used my own mind
Ah, defective equipment. Fair enough, I understand.
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basing your entire personality on owning the libs or whatever must be so embarrassing.
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This entire thread is people writing essays at each other for hundreds and hundreds of pages, perpetually failing to convince the other side they are right. It's amazing to see and read through.
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On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible.
Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link.
I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat.
At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations.
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On April 08 2026 23:19 PoulsenB wrote:
This entire thread is people writing essays at each other for hundreds and hundreds of pages, perpetually failing to convince the other side they are right. It's amazing to see and read through.
As I've said before, I'm not expecting any three-time Trump voters to wake up because of the TL.net politics megathread. I just don't want it to turn into a far-right shithole used to radicalize politically uninformed passerbys.
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On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations.
I look forward to them not being accomplished and you still pretending it was a massive Trump victory.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/ustr-greer-says-us-mexico-canada-pact-talks-may-run-past-july-1-deadline-2026-04-07/
Greer told an event at the Hudson Institute that the U.S. may need to take steps to exit the North American trade pact in order to continue the talks.
uuhh it is binding for another 10 years.
On July 1, the three countries need to approve a renewal of the existing USMCA agreement or signal their intention to exit the pact, a process that takes 10 years, but which would buy more time for alterations.
On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible.
yes, it is possible. cathartic? this is a video game web site. relax man.
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On April 08 2026 23:23 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 23:19 PoulsenB wrote:
This entire thread is people writing essays at each other for hundreds and hundreds of pages, perpetually failing to convince the other side they are right. It's amazing to see and read through. As I've said before, I'm not expecting any three-time Trump voters to wake up because of the TL.net politics megathread. I just don't want it to turn into a far-right shithole used to radicalize politically uninformed passerbys.
You'd be better off ignoring them than helping make the thread a demonstration of their points about libs while thinking you're winning/convincing the elusive swinglurker.
This page could be talking about your general strike, instead it will be more mock and gawk spam.
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On April 08 2026 23:27 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 23:23 LightSpectra wrote:On April 08 2026 23:19 PoulsenB wrote:
This entire thread is people writing essays at each other for hundreds and hundreds of pages, perpetually failing to convince the other side they are right. It's amazing to see and read through. As I've said before, I'm not expecting any three-time Trump voters to wake up because of the TL.net politics megathread. I just don't want it to turn into a far-right shithole used to radicalize politically uninformed passerbys. You'd be better off ignoring them than helping make the thread a demonstration of their points about libs while thinking you're winning/convincing the elusive swinglurker. This page could be talking about your general strike, instead it will be more mock and gawk spam.
For someone who admitted nobody cares about their opinion, you sure like to offer unsolicited advice a lot.
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On April 08 2026 23:23 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 23:19 PoulsenB wrote:
This entire thread is people writing essays at each other for hundreds and hundreds of pages, perpetually failing to convince the other side they are right. It's amazing to see and read through. As I've said before, I'm not expecting any three-time Trump voters to wake up because of the TL.net politics megathread. I just don't want it to turn into a far-right shithole used to radicalize politically uninformed passerbys.
yap on a forum does not cause radicalization. a hopeless life where you are constantly told you are sub-human has bigger impact than yap on a forum.
On April 08 2026 23:19 PoulsenB wrote:
This entire thread is people writing essays at each other for hundreds and hundreds of pages, perpetually failing to convince the other side they are right. It's amazing to see and read through.
i use it to refine perspectives i might discuss IRL. in most, but not all, IRL settings, you have to be far more surgical about what you say.
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On April 08 2026 23:25 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. I look forward to them not being accomplished and you still pretending it was a massive Trump victory.
You know there's a whole universe outside of Trump? Suppose he gets all 11, you going to be here going "Aha but that was the status quo already because the Strait was already opened and Iran hadn't nuked Israel yet!" Suppose 10 out of 11 are achieved. Suppose out of the 11 points, Hormuz is fine and the nuclear goals are achieved but not the missile and terror proxy ones. Would you be able to parse that and figure out whether you think it's an improvement or not? Or is it all "Blumpf" for you
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US stated goals were:
End to the Islamic regime that exports terror
Security for Israel/gulf states
Protection of pro democracy protesters in Iran
Surrender of all enriched uranium
End to nuclear program
End to missile program
Unstated but implicit goals were:
Statue of Liberty remains in New York
Hold onto 80 years of US Navy guaranteed free navigation of the seas
Iran didn't choose this conflict, they were attacked in the middle of negotiations. Their only stated goal was survival.
However there's an implicit goal in addition to regime survival, the establishment of a credible deterrent against future attacks.
I would say that Iran got that. They inflicted a trillion dollars of damage on the states hosting American airbases in direct infrastructure damage and lost revenue.
They also got bonus goals. They got sanctions removed from them, they got to sell a hundred million barrels of oil that was frozen at hugely inflated prices, and somehow they now seem to control the strait which Trump seems to agree will be used to fund the regime indefinitely.
Meanwhile on the US side they do still have the Statue of Liberty. And all it cost them was $200b or so, plus all the additional costs every American consumer is paying daily.
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On April 08 2026 23:34 KwarK wrote:
US stated goals were:
End to the Islamic regime that exports terror
Security for Israel/gulf states
Protection of pro democracy protesters in Iran
Surrender of all enriched uranium
End to nuclear program
End to missile program
Unstated but implicit goals were:
Statue of Liberty remains in New York
Hold onto 80 years of US Navy guaranteed free navigation of the seas
Iran didn't choose this conflict, they were attacked in the middle of negotiations. Their only stated goal was survival.
However there's an implicit goal in addition to regime survival, the establishment of a credible deterrent against future attacks.
I would say that Iran got that. They inflicted a trillion dollars of damage on the states hosting American airbases in direct infrastructure damage and lost revenue.
They also got bonus goals. They got sanctions removed from them, they got to sell a hundred million barrels of oil that was frozen at hugely inflated prices, and somehow they now seem to control the strait which Trump seems to agree will be used to fund the regime indefinitely.
Meanwhile on the US side they do still have the Statue of Liberty. And all it cost them was $200b or so, plus all the additional costs every American consumer is paying daily.
This is why every American should be creating options outside the USA. Being 100% loyal to 1 country is a bad strat.
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On April 08 2026 23:13 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 23:03 KwarK wrote:On April 08 2026 22:59 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 22:56 KwarK wrote:On April 08 2026 22:52 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 22:45 KwarK wrote:On April 08 2026 17:46 oBlade wrote:
Everyone except Iran, you mean, which is also much better off, having defeated several US Navy torpedoes with the hulls of its ships. Again, to be clear, your stance is that there is no Iran and hasn't been for over a month now. Update: Looks like they have managed to get enough command and control and central authority back to agree to a 2 week cease fire before their civilization ceased to exist. Wow, that seems like a pretty huge thing for you to miss. The country ceased to exist and then popped right back out of the blue. Really makes you wonder if you're getting your information from quality sources. It just popped right back. Like an underwater mine. lol I never claimed that bottom mines had been destroyed. You heard that Iran had somehow been caught off guard by the attack Trump had been threatening to do for a decade and had instantly ceased to exist after air strikes and thought "yeah, that sounds plausible, I'm going to start repeating that, I bet nobody will laugh at me". Take your licks man, you worked hard for them. In other news, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the Iranian Navy is still in control of the strait and that ships are still stuck awaiting Iranian permission before they pass. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-2026-trump-deadline-latest-news/card/iranian-navy-tells-ships-they-still-need-permission-to-transit-hormuz-FMzNRiVrAIPGWczJDXwFNo non Iranian ships have passed since Trump declared the strait open. Since they haven't been destroyed, have you considered that part of the cowardly surrender of the US by Trump to Iran might be that part of the deal goals Tehran has in mind is that that Tehran wants ships to be able to pass so they can tax them, but do not have the capability to undo/disarm/clear the enormous mine threat that they themselves have definitely set up and really exists? In other words, the US agrees to de-mine to share the lucrative toll profits? Show nested quote +You heard that Iran had somehow been caught off guard by the attack Trump had been threatening to do for a decade and had instantly ceased to exist after air strikes and thought "yeah, that sounds plausible, I'm going to start repeating that, I bet nobody will laugh at me". No, I used my own mind and composed a sentence for rhetorical effect. Have you ever done that? You've latched to it and taken it quite literally forever, because despite having a family I guess misunderstanding shit on purpose is more fun. But don't take things too literally all the time. Like I mean obviously you weren't being literal when you said someone should blow up SCOTUS, and I would never make such an assumption that would hold you to so low a standard.
And how do you suppose the US is going to de-mine the strait for the Iranians? With their whole 2 vessels capable of doing that which have been decomissioned last year or something like that?
The takeaways from this whole situation are:
- Iran is in control of the Strait of Hormuz
- US is incapable on delivering on their threats so its overall position as a military superpower has been diminished
- The oil shock will hit at the end of April and there's nothing anyone can do about it at this point
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The President of the United States has told me - and he's told the entire negotiating team, secretary of state, the special envoy Steve Witkoff - he said go and work in good faith to come to an agreement. He's impatient. He's impatient to make progress. - JD Vance
For context the ghostwriter who wrote Art of the Deal got Trump to agree to the worst deal in the history of publishing. The ghostwriter broke all industry norms and got Trump to agree to his name on the jacket and a percentage of the back end when it normally would have been a fixed fee job. Guy made millions on a job for which he should have been paid thousands and Trump just gave it to him because he couldn't be bothered to check what a ghostwriter normally gets paid. Anyone thinking that Trump won't settle for keeping the Statue of Liberty here and declaring victory doesn't know Trump.
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