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LightSpectra
United States2410 Posts
"Following the announcement, CNN published a post to its online live blog detailing the Iranian response. "Iran says it has achieved a great victory and forced the United States to accept its 10-point plan, according to a statement from Iran's Supreme National Security Council report by Iranian state media," the post read." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-cnn-threat-iran-ceasefire-b2953429.html | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22201 Posts
On April 08 2026 21:44 LightSpectra wrote: Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump is trying to hide that this would be Americas biggest defeat since Vietnam?Trump and his FCC appointee are threatening CNN for the following: "Following the announcement, CNN published a post to its online live blog detailing the Iranian response. "Iran says it has achieved a great victory and forced the United States to accept its 10-point plan, according to a statement from Iran's Supreme National Security Council report by Iranian state media," the post read." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-cnn-threat-iran-ceasefire-b2953429.html | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2410 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17426 Posts
and, We just barely dodged yet another Nuclear Holocaust! whew! I feel safer already! On April 08 2026 21:39 Velr wrote: Your only saying that because your in the pocket of big 4 stroke. i also love Go Kart racing. My affinity for 2-stroke engines runs pretty deep for a lot of different reasons On April 08 2026 21:47 Gorsameth wrote: Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump is trying to hide that this would be Americas biggest defeat since Vietnam? i'd measure a country by the quality of life of its average citizen rather than by whatever wars they win or lose. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1333 Posts
It's a pleasure to behold. Enjoy your "victory" buddy! I'm glad that you achieved all the goals, got a new regime in (even if it's one generation between them, a regime change is a regime change), got rid of the enriched nuclear materials (well, still needs to be located and taken out and given to US and it's not even on the 10 points but I'm sure that Trump will use his legendary negotiating powers to fix that) and completely destroyed Iranians ballistic missile capabilities (as seen by them hitting Saudi Oil facilities yesterday by only one or two missiles instead of 10). Also nice to see Jimmy completely disappear into delulu land of "Trump won" after getting his early morning Fox fix! | ||
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oBlade
United States6028 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11795 Posts
On April 08 2026 21:47 Gorsameth wrote: Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump is trying to hide that this would be Americas biggest defeat since Vietnam? I think Afghanistan may have been a bigger defeat than this, simply because it took so much longer, the US invested so much into it, and then it went back to exactly the state it was before, only with some additional looted US weapons. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17426 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:16 Simberto wrote: I think Afghanistan may have been a bigger defeat than this, simply because it took so much longer, the US invested so much into it, and then it went back to exactly the state it was before, only with some additional looted US weapons. none of these things are "losses". they've succeeded in justifying future massive military budgets. i can hear it now from Trump. "guys we made it to the moon and back again. what is the point of giving NASA any more cash? we're putting it all into the military budget!" On April 08 2026 22:08 Jankisa wrote: Also nice to see Jimmy completely disappear into delulu land of "Trump won" after getting his early morning Fox fix! and he brought us back to the moon after 50+ years! Nixon and Trump .. the 2 most ethical presidents ever. the only ones providing the leadership for all manned trips in and around the moon. what are the odds?  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45444 Posts
On April 08 2026 21:49 LightSpectra wrote: The funny thing is CNN isn't even reporting this is what happened, it's just reporting Iran said this is what happened. Although best as I can tell, it is in fact what happened. Exactly. What Trump asserted has been reported, and what Iran asserted has been reported. It's not even like CNN is only announcing what Iran claims to be true and is ignoring what Trump claims to be true. And given that Trump has been the least trustworthy person on Earth for a whole decade now, and that he started this war against Iran merely to distract the public from the fact that he rapes kids, it would be silly to automatically believe Trump's claims without a mountain of additional evidence that has been verified independently by people or organizations unaffiliated with Trump. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22201 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:16 Simberto wrote: In the end things went back to how they were but at least the initial action was seemingly successful. It didn't last but they took over the country and effected a temporary regime change.I think Afghanistan may have been a bigger defeat than this, simply because it took so much longer, the US invested so much into it, and then it went back to exactly the state it was before, only with some additional looted US weapons. In Iran on the other hand nothing was accomplished. Their nuclear program was already destroyed last year and intelligence said it wasn't rebuild. There has been no regime change, just the removal of an old one for a younger fanatic that is likely to turn out to be a negative, not a positive long term. Military infrastructure got blown up but that just gets rebuild. With money from a strait that was previously at least in theory free open water and is now firmly Iranian controlled and taxed. | ||
KwarK
United States43841 Posts
On April 08 2026 17:46 oBlade wrote: Everyone except Iran, you mean, which is also much better off, having defeated several US Navy torpedoes with the hulls of its ships. Again, to be clear, your stance is that there is no Iran and hasn't been for over a month now. | ||
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KwarK
United States43841 Posts
Looks like the Iranian toll is real. Since the ceasefire was declared the only vessels to go through the strait were carrying Iranian oil. It's still only the concept of an open strait. | ||
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oBlade
United States6028 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:45 KwarK wrote: Again, to be clear, your stance is that there is no Iran and hasn't been for over a month now. Update: Looks like they have managed to get enough command and control and central authority back to agree to a 2 week cease fire before their civilization ceased to exist. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26516 Posts
On April 08 2026 21:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote: So Trump's negotiation strategies have won the day ... again. Most of the toll money will go to Oman which will go straight to the USA. What little toll money the Iranians get will be used in place of war reparations. and, We just barely dodged yet another Nuclear Holocaust! whew! I feel safer already! i also love Go Kart racing. My affinity for 2-stroke engines runs pretty deep for a lot of different reasons i'd measure a country by the quality of life of its average citizen rather than by whatever wars they win or lose. I mean do you though? You seem to basically discount the existence of poor people when assessing the US vs other comparable nations | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2410 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:52 oBlade wrote: Update: Looks like they have managed to get enough command and control and central authority back to agree to a 2 week cease fire before their civilization ceased to exist. oBlade, surely even you've got to recognize that Trump surrendering a war he was on the cusp of winning is actually worse than just losing the war? | ||
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KwarK
United States43841 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:52 oBlade wrote: Update: Looks like they have managed to get enough command and control and central authority back to agree to a 2 week cease fire before their civilization ceased to exist. Wow, that seems like a pretty huge thing for you to miss. The country ceased to exist and then popped right back out of the blue. Really makes you wonder if you're getting your information from quality sources. | ||
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oBlade
United States6028 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:56 KwarK wrote: Wow, that seems like a pretty huge thing for you to miss. The country ceased to exist and then popped right back out of the blue. Really makes you wonder if you're getting your information from quality sources. It just popped right back. Like an underwater mine. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26516 Posts
Hegseth also calls Israel a "brave, willing and capable ally" to the US. He says the rest of the world and other "so-called" allies of the US "should take some notes". Ok mate, if you say so. | ||
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KwarK
United States43841 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:59 oBlade wrote: It just popped right back. Like an underwater mine. lol I never claimed that bottom mines had been destroyed. You heard that Iran had somehow been caught off guard by the attack Trump had been threatening to do for a decade and had instantly ceased to exist after air strikes and thought "yeah, that sounds plausible, I'm going to start repeating that, I bet nobody will laugh at me". Take your licks man, you worked hard for them. In other news, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the Iranian Navy is still in control of the strait and that ships are still stuck awaiting Iranian permission before they pass. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-2026-trump-deadline-latest-news/card/iranian-navy-tells-ships-they-still-need-permission-to-transit-hormuz-FMzNRiVrAIPGWczJDXwF No non Iranian ships have passed since Trump declared the strait open. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45444 Posts
On April 08 2026 22:47 KwarK wrote: https://thehill.com/policy/international/5821343-trump-us-iran-ceasefire-deal-joint-venture-strait-of-hormuz/ Looks like the Iranian toll is real. Since the ceasefire was declared the only vessels to go through the strait were carrying Iranian oil. It's still only the concept of an open strait. From your link: "President Trump on Wednesday said he is considering the formation of a “joint venture” with Iran to set up tolls in the Strait of Hormuz ... Any "joint venture" was not part of Iran’s 10-point peace plan that the U.S. agreed to" Annnnd just like that, Trump has already stopped honoring the deal with Iran. It's almost as if Trump can't be trusted... I also love how Rubio just got thrown under the bus again: "The Islamic Republic’s previous proposal to toll vessels drew criticism from Secretary of State Marco Rubio. He blasted the potential “tolling system” as “illegal” and “dangerous for the world"" And now that Trump is okay with it, I'm sure Rubio won't have much to say about the toll anymore. | ||
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