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On June 13 2025 06:12 Luolis wrote: What you guys have to understand is that for once GH is right. The only effective way to stop the fascist takeover of America is to fight back actively. These people don't care about being proven right or wrong, they just want to hurt other people.
Think it's a bit more often than that, but I'll take it.
On June 13 2025 07:39 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah the Teaparty was basically political Jihad. And it worked extremely well. All the somewhat reasonable people had a choice between the party imploding or agreeing with everything Sarah Palin said. The left could stand to learn from them.
That's one reason why I try to get people recognize Democrats are actually part of the opposition to their desired politics (even if they are tepid social democratic politics).
That's part of what I think is funny and depressing. Within the right wing, the moderates are the ones who are cowards and can't imagine throwing away an election. Within the left wing, moderates will gladly burn the house down and let the pieces fall where they will, because they have no actual moral or philosophical ties to politics. They have pathways to continue generating lots of income regardless of what happens to democrats.+ Show Spoiler +
Modern leftists have deep moral convictions and feel committed to improving lives. They can't stomach the idea of holding firm and letting the house burn down.
And when I say modern leftists, I'm being very generous and broad. I don't just mean the Jasmine types. Even the Ron Wyden types are bending the knee and being cowards. The entire party is held hostage by people who truly feel zero investment in how the country is run and they don't have any moral framework.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics, but from what I gather, "moderates" mostly did relatively okay in Nazi Germany (and/or fled) compared to the people to their left. Then some of those same moderates ended up back in charge after other people beat the Nazis.
I suspect that sort of scenario is what most of the Democrat party expects from the US falling into fascism. They'll be fine or flee, then take back over when someone else cleans up their mess and the dust settles.
I agree. They will gladly function as controlled opposition similar to other fascist governments. Technically there is the other candidate, and then they lose by like 105%
This isn't how how it worked in Germany.
November 1933 German parliamentary election Parliamentary elections were held in Germany on 12 November 1933. They were the first since the Nazi Party seized complete power with the enactment of the Enabling Act in March. All opposition parties had been banned by the Law Against the Formation of Parties (14 July 1933), and voters were presented with a single list containing Nazis and 22 non-party "guests" (Gäste) of the Nazi Party..
On June 12 2025 21:58 LightSpectra wrote: Electoralism can coexist with protests, grassroot information spreading, etc. So what are you proposing that's different?
On June 12 2025 21:58 LightSpectra wrote: Electoralism can coexist with protests, grassroot information spreading, etc. So what are you proposing that's different?
AmeriMaidan?
Can you explain to me what Euromaidan (which is what I assume you're referencing here) did differently from the anti-MAGA protests that have been ongoing and escalating?
On June 12 2025 21:58 LightSpectra wrote: Electoralism can coexist with protests, grassroot information spreading, etc. So what are you proposing that's different?
AmeriMaidan?
Can you explain to me what Euromaidan (which is what I assume you're referencing here) did differently from the anti-MAGA protests that have been ongoing and escalating?
I like you characterizing Lander as "centrist" and Mamdani as a "center-left" . Ranked choice voting helps with that sort of cooperation.
Mamdani put pretty succinctly why he's obviously (at worst) the "lesser evil" option for Democrats in New York.
On AmeriMaidan, I'd be interested to hear thoughts from our eastern European posters about what they perceive to be different between the protests and protesters, if anything.
Or could/should we start calling the Democrat movement to oppose/remove Trump from power (forcibly if necessary) "AmeriMaidan"?
This is at best comparable to the French yellow jacket protests. Euromaidan was infinitely more important for Ukraine's future than whatever Trump can do to change America.
LA is drowning in a sea of madness 7:39 Convicted felons threatening pedestrians 6:04 The people need help 5:45 Hundreds of burning cars 4:31 Good news! There are storm troopers saving the poor souls 1:31
Trump has to win a third term and make America taste the boot again. This is a war for all that is good and right.
This woman's tears are obviously of the crocodile sort. Lets not get distracted from the fact that her suit is too clean for her to be one of the sub-people. Probably controlled opposition with a background in acting. Add this to the list of reasons to abolish the liberal arts.
Not sure if I'm having too much fun, but I'm having fun.
On June 13 2025 06:12 Luolis wrote: What you guys have to understand is that for once GH is right. The only effective way to stop the fascist takeover of America is to fight back actively. These people don't care about being proven right or wrong, they just want to hurt other people.
Think it's a bit more often than that, but I'll take it.
On June 13 2025 07:39 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah the Teaparty was basically political Jihad. And it worked extremely well. All the somewhat reasonable people had a choice between the party imploding or agreeing with everything Sarah Palin said. The left could stand to learn from them.
That's one reason why I try to get people recognize Democrats are actually part of the opposition to their desired politics (even if they are tepid social democratic politics).
That's part of what I think is funny and depressing. Within the right wing, the moderates are the ones who are cowards and can't imagine throwing away an election. Within the left wing, moderates will gladly burn the house down and let the pieces fall where they will, because they have no actual moral or philosophical ties to politics. They have pathways to continue generating lots of income regardless of what happens to democrats.+ Show Spoiler +
Modern leftists have deep moral convictions and feel committed to improving lives. They can't stomach the idea of holding firm and letting the house burn down.
And when I say modern leftists, I'm being very generous and broad. I don't just mean the Jasmine types. Even the Ron Wyden types are bending the knee and being cowards. The entire party is held hostage by people who truly feel zero investment in how the country is run and they don't have any moral framework.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics, but from what I gather, "moderates" mostly did relatively okay in Nazi Germany (and/or fled) compared to the people to their left. Then some of those same moderates ended up back in charge after other people beat the Nazis.
I suspect that sort of scenario is what most of the Democrat party expects from the US falling into fascism. They'll be fine or flee, then take back over when someone else cleans up their mess and the dust settles.
I agree. They will gladly function as controlled opposition similar to other fascist governments. Technically there is the other candidate, and then they lose by like 105%
November 1933 German parliamentary election Parliamentary elections were held in Germany on 12 November 1933. They were the first since the Nazi Party seized complete power with the enactment of the Enabling Act in March. All opposition parties had been banned by the Law Against the Formation of Parties (14 July 1933), and voters were presented with a single list containing Nazis and 22 non-party "guests" (Gäste) of the Nazi Party..
no, but It is how It has been working for totalitarian regimes for decades.
On June 14 2025 06:36 Magic Powers wrote: This woman's tears are obviously of the crocodile sort. Lets not get distracted from the fact that her suit is too clean for her to be one of the sub-people. Probably controlled opposition with a background in acting. Add this to the list of reasons to abolish the liberal arts.
On June 13 2025 06:12 Luolis wrote: What you guys have to understand is that for once GH is right. The only effective way to stop the fascist takeover of America is to fight back actively. These people don't care about being proven right or wrong, they just want to hurt other people.
Think it's a bit more often than that, but I'll take it.
On June 13 2025 07:39 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah the Teaparty was basically political Jihad. And it worked extremely well. All the somewhat reasonable people had a choice between the party imploding or agreeing with everything Sarah Palin said. The left could stand to learn from them.
That's one reason why I try to get people recognize Democrats are actually part of the opposition to their desired politics (even if they are tepid social democratic politics).
That's part of what I think is funny and depressing. Within the right wing, the moderates are the ones who are cowards and can't imagine throwing away an election. Within the left wing, moderates will gladly burn the house down and let the pieces fall where they will, because they have no actual moral or philosophical ties to politics. They have pathways to continue generating lots of income regardless of what happens to democrats.+ Show Spoiler +
Modern leftists have deep moral convictions and feel committed to improving lives. They can't stomach the idea of holding firm and letting the house burn down.
And when I say modern leftists, I'm being very generous and broad. I don't just mean the Jasmine types. Even the Ron Wyden types are bending the knee and being cowards. The entire party is held hostage by people who truly feel zero investment in how the country is run and they don't have any moral framework.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics, but from what I gather, "moderates" mostly did relatively okay in Nazi Germany (and/or fled) compared to the people to their left. Then some of those same moderates ended up back in charge after other people beat the Nazis.
I suspect that sort of scenario is what most of the Democrat party expects from the US falling into fascism. They'll be fine or flee, then take back over when someone else cleans up their mess and the dust settles.
Can you please explain your grand strategy then?
You seem to have the exact same position as me that moderates aren’t going to be out on the streets fighting Fascism.
But unlike me your anti-Fascism plan depends on people doing exactly that.
There's this Danish green card holding American called Kasper Eriksen in the US who is extremely into Donald Trump, to the tune of over 2,000 social media posts about much he loves Trump.
He married an American woman but failed to submit form I-751 (petition to remove conditions on residence) in 2015. Incidentally I submitted that form in 2013, anyway, he forgot and so his immigration process was incomplete.
In 2019 the Trump administration issued a deportation order against him but were unable to reach him to let him know and so he remained in limbo. He remained in the country illegally due to an administrative error but was unaware that he was in the country illegally. That's absolutely on him, you're required to make sure that USCIS know where you live but whatever.
In 2020 Biden won and efforts to deport him were paused. He applied for his green card (legal permanent resident) and was granted it. He continued to whine constantly about Biden and illegal immigrants and simp for Trump to do something about them.
By 2024 he's been a legal permanent resident for long enough that he can apply for naturalization and he does so.
What he doesn't realize is that under the old administration the legal permanent resident status was presumed to trump the 2019 deportation order whereas the new administration has a quota to fill. The new administration tells him all his paperwork is in order, gives him a scheduled interview date, and confirms it's all good to go. He shows up at his naturalization hearing with his American wife who is pregnant with their fourth child believing it's a routine part of the process because it is and he's literally a legal permanent resident of the United States. However the interviewer isn't there, it's the US Marshals. Chains go on and he's off to the holding facility.
Fortunately for him he was able to stay in touch with his family because the holding facility has contracted with a private telecommunications company that dictates pay per minute rates for phone calls so he can still speak with his children until the money runs out. And once he's back in Denmark then he can read them bedtime stories for the price of a zoom.
And at least it's clear to him who is to blame for his predicament. He explains
The reason I'm sitting here is more or less a product of the Biden Administration. They were the ones who let me go through this process without saying there was a problem. They didn't keep an eye on it. It wasn't until Trump that things got sorted out
His wife, who does not work and relied upon him for her income, has moved the family into a RV and they are currently living on gofundmes. She explains that they still absolutely support Trump's immigration policies.
There is absolutely no reasoning with these people. They're broken.
The pain of admitting you were wrong when all the stupid shit you've ever said is immortalized on social media is just too much for some people. Doubly so when the idiots who follow you on social media are paying your family's bills.
On June 13 2025 06:12 Luolis wrote: What you guys have to understand is that for once GH is right. The only effective way to stop the fascist takeover of America is to fight back actively. These people don't care about being proven right or wrong, they just want to hurt other people.
Think it's a bit more often than that, but I'll take it.
On June 13 2025 07:39 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah the Teaparty was basically political Jihad. And it worked extremely well. All the somewhat reasonable people had a choice between the party imploding or agreeing with everything Sarah Palin said. The left could stand to learn from them.
That's one reason why I try to get people recognize Democrats are actually part of the opposition to their desired politics (even if they are tepid social democratic politics).
That's part of what I think is funny and depressing. Within the right wing, the moderates are the ones who are cowards and can't imagine throwing away an election. Within the left wing, moderates will gladly burn the house down and let the pieces fall where they will, because they have no actual moral or philosophical ties to politics. They have pathways to continue generating lots of income regardless of what happens to democrats.+ Show Spoiler +
Modern leftists have deep moral convictions and feel committed to improving lives. They can't stomach the idea of holding firm and letting the house burn down.
And when I say modern leftists, I'm being very generous and broad. I don't just mean the Jasmine types. Even the Ron Wyden types are bending the knee and being cowards. The entire party is held hostage by people who truly feel zero investment in how the country is run and they don't have any moral framework.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics, but from what I gather, "moderates" mostly did relatively okay in Nazi Germany (and/or fled) compared to the people to their left. Then some of those same moderates ended up back in charge after other people beat the Nazis.
I suspect that sort of scenario is what most of the Democrat party expects from the US falling into fascism. They'll be fine or flee, then take back over when someone else cleans up their mess and the dust settles.
I mean the simple explanation is that there's plenty of people besides the most stubborn moderates that can be rallied to the streets to fight fascism.
There's also the possibility that what needs to happen to stop fascism and what a Democrat dominated opposition to fascism is capable of don't overlap.
On June 14 2025 06:36 Magic Powers wrote: This woman's tears are obviously of the crocodile sort. Lets not get distracted from the fact that her suit is too clean for her to be one of the sub-people. Probably controlled opposition with a background in acting. Add this to the list of reasons to abolish the liberal arts.
On June 14 2025 09:20 KwarK wrote: There's this Danish green card holding American called Kasper Eriksen in the US who is extremely into Donald Trump, to the tune of over 2,000 social media posts about much he loves Trump.
He married an American woman but failed to submit form I-751 (petition to remove conditions on residence) in 2015. Incidentally I submitted that form in 2013, anyway, he forgot and so his immigration process was incomplete.
In 2019 the Trump administration issued a deportation order against him but were unable to reach him to let him know and so he remained in limbo. He remained in the country illegally due to an administrative error but was unaware that he was in the country illegally. That's absolutely on him, you're required to make sure that USCIS know where you live but whatever.
In 2020 Biden won and efforts to deport him were paused. He applied for his green card (legal permanent resident) and was granted it. He continued to whine constantly about Biden and illegal immigrants and simp for Trump to do something about them.
By 2024 he's been a legal permanent resident for long enough that he can apply for naturalization and he does so.
What he doesn't realize is that under the old administration the legal permanent resident status was presumed to trump the 2019 deportation order whereas the new administration has a quota to fill. The new administration tells him all his paperwork is in order, gives him a scheduled interview date, and confirms it's all good to go. He shows up at his naturalization hearing with his American wife who is pregnant with their fourth child believing it's a routine part of the process because it is and he's literally a legal permanent resident of the United States. However the interviewer isn't there, it's the US Marshals. Chains go on and he's off to the holding facility.
Fortunately for him he was able to stay in touch with his family because the holding facility has contracted with a private telecommunications company that dictates pay per minute rates for phone calls so he can still speak with his children until the money runs out. And once he's back in Denmark then he can read them bedtime stories for the price of a zoom.
And at least it's clear to him who is to blame for his predicament. He explains
The reason I'm sitting here is more or less a product of the Biden Administration. They were the ones who let me go through this process without saying there was a problem. They didn't keep an eye on it. It wasn't until Trump that things got sorted out
His wife, who does not work and relied upon him for her income, has moved the family into a RV and they are currently living on gofundmes. She explains that they still absolutely support Trump's immigration policies.
There is absolutely no reasoning with these people. They're broken.
Crazy anecdote of just how far gone some of these Trumpers are but the story of the white guy from Denmark that made 4 white babies also being a target for deportation is a buzzkill for some of the other narratives we got going on here
On June 14 2025 09:20 KwarK wrote: There's this Danish green card holding American called Kasper Eriksen in the US who is extremely into Donald Trump, to the tune of over 2,000 social media posts about much he loves Trump.
He married an American woman but failed to submit form I-751 (petition to remove conditions on residence) in 2015. Incidentally I submitted that form in 2013, anyway, he forgot and so his immigration process was incomplete.
In 2019 the Trump administration issued a deportation order against him but were unable to reach him to let him know and so he remained in limbo. He remained in the country illegally due to an administrative error but was unaware that he was in the country illegally. That's absolutely on him, you're required to make sure that USCIS know where you live but whatever.
In 2020 Biden won and efforts to deport him were paused. He applied for his green card (legal permanent resident) and was granted it. He continued to whine constantly about Biden and illegal immigrants and simp for Trump to do something about them.
By 2024 he's been a legal permanent resident for long enough that he can apply for naturalization and he does so.
What he doesn't realize is that under the old administration the legal permanent resident status was presumed to trump the 2019 deportation order whereas the new administration has a quota to fill. The new administration tells him all his paperwork is in order, gives him a scheduled interview date, and confirms it's all good to go. He shows up at his naturalization hearing with his American wife who is pregnant with their fourth child believing it's a routine part of the process because it is and he's literally a legal permanent resident of the United States. However the interviewer isn't there, it's the US Marshals. Chains go on and he's off to the holding facility.
Fortunately for him he was able to stay in touch with his family because the holding facility has contracted with a private telecommunications company that dictates pay per minute rates for phone calls so he can still speak with his children until the money runs out. And once he's back in Denmark then he can read them bedtime stories for the price of a zoom.
And at least it's clear to him who is to blame for his predicament. He explains
The reason I'm sitting here is more or less a product of the Biden Administration. They were the ones who let me go through this process without saying there was a problem. They didn't keep an eye on it. It wasn't until Trump that things got sorted out
His wife, who does not work and relied upon him for her income, has moved the family into a RV and they are currently living on gofundmes. She explains that they still absolutely support Trump's immigration policies.
There is absolutely no reasoning with these people. They're broken.
Crazy anecdote of just how far gone some of these Trumpers are but the story of the white guy from Denmark that made 4 white babies also being a target for deportation is a buzzkill for some of the other narratives we got going on here
A buzzkill for what reason exactly? Racism is not on the rise under Trump because also a caucasian can be persecuted and not exclusively Mexicans? Racism solved? I wasn't aware that racism must be pure or otherwise it's not rascim, but gee thank you. Now I'm enlightened. I guess Obama becoming president does indeed mean black people are now truly equal.
On June 14 2025 04:58 Magic Powers wrote: LA is drowning in a sea of madness 7:39 Convicted felons threatening pedestrians 6:04 The people need help 5:45 Hundreds of burning cars 4:31 Good news! There are storm troopers saving the poor souls 1:31
Trump has to win a third term and make America taste the boot again. This is a war for all that is good and right.
Convincing video inasmuch as I don't see the federal oppression in this video. There exist people who can go outside without attacking police. Okay. That's true and this video has great examples of people being peaceful.
On June 14 2025 04:58 Magic Powers wrote: LA is drowning in a sea of madness 7:39 Convicted felons threatening pedestrians 6:04 The people need help 5:45 Hundreds of burning cars 4:31 Good news! There are storm troopers saving the poor souls 1:31
Trump has to win a third term and make America taste the boot again. This is a war for all that is good and right.
Convincing video inasmuch as I don't see the federal oppression in this video. There exist people who can go outside without attacking police. Okay. That's true and this video has great examples of people being peaceful.
On June 14 2025 09:20 KwarK wrote: There's this Danish green card holding American called Kasper Eriksen in the US who is extremely into Donald Trump, to the tune of over 2,000 social media posts about much he loves Trump.
He married an American woman but failed to submit form I-751 (petition to remove conditions on residence) in 2015. Incidentally I submitted that form in 2013, anyway, he forgot and so his immigration process was incomplete.
In 2019 the Trump administration issued a deportation order against him but were unable to reach him to let him know and so he remained in limbo. He remained in the country illegally due to an administrative error but was unaware that he was in the country illegally. That's absolutely on him, you're required to make sure that USCIS know where you live but whatever.
In 2020 Biden won and efforts to deport him were paused. He applied for his green card (legal permanent resident) and was granted it. He continued to whine constantly about Biden and illegal immigrants and simp for Trump to do something about them.
By 2024 he's been a legal permanent resident for long enough that he can apply for naturalization and he does so.
What he doesn't realize is that under the old administration the legal permanent resident status was presumed to trump the 2019 deportation order whereas the new administration has a quota to fill. The new administration tells him all his paperwork is in order, gives him a scheduled interview date, and confirms it's all good to go. He shows up at his naturalization hearing with his American wife who is pregnant with their fourth child believing it's a routine part of the process because it is and he's literally a legal permanent resident of the United States. However the interviewer isn't there, it's the US Marshals. Chains go on and he's off to the holding facility.
Fortunately for him he was able to stay in touch with his family because the holding facility has contracted with a private telecommunications company that dictates pay per minute rates for phone calls so he can still speak with his children until the money runs out. And once he's back in Denmark then he can read them bedtime stories for the price of a zoom.
And at least it's clear to him who is to blame for his predicament. He explains
The reason I'm sitting here is more or less a product of the Biden Administration. They were the ones who let me go through this process without saying there was a problem. They didn't keep an eye on it. It wasn't until Trump that things got sorted out
His wife, who does not work and relied upon him for her income, has moved the family into a RV and they are currently living on gofundmes. She explains that they still absolutely support Trump's immigration policies.
There is absolutely no reasoning with these people. They're broken.
Crazy anecdote of just how far gone some of these Trumpers are but the story of the white guy from Denmark that made 4 white babies also being a target for deportation is a buzzkill for some of the other narratives we got going on here
It’s really not a buzzkill for those, that’s kind of the point. They let the Nazis through the door because they figured they would do Nazi stuff to other people. Problem for them is that Nazis have a long list of “others” and it turns out they’re on it. There’s no aryan so aryan that they can’t find themselves in a camp, that’s part of why you don’t ever Nazi.
On June 14 2025 09:20 KwarK wrote: There's this Danish green card holding American called Kasper Eriksen in the US who is extremely into Donald Trump, to the tune of over 2,000 social media posts about much he loves Trump.
He married an American woman but failed to submit form I-751 (petition to remove conditions on residence) in 2015. Incidentally I submitted that form in 2013, anyway, he forgot and so his immigration process was incomplete.
In 2019 the Trump administration issued a deportation order against him but were unable to reach him to let him know and so he remained in limbo. He remained in the country illegally due to an administrative error but was unaware that he was in the country illegally. That's absolutely on him, you're required to make sure that USCIS know where you live but whatever.
In 2020 Biden won and efforts to deport him were paused. He applied for his green card (legal permanent resident) and was granted it. He continued to whine constantly about Biden and illegal immigrants and simp for Trump to do something about them.
By 2024 he's been a legal permanent resident for long enough that he can apply for naturalization and he does so.
What he doesn't realize is that under the old administration the legal permanent resident status was presumed to trump the 2019 deportation order whereas the new administration has a quota to fill. The new administration tells him all his paperwork is in order, gives him a scheduled interview date, and confirms it's all good to go. He shows up at his naturalization hearing with his American wife who is pregnant with their fourth child believing it's a routine part of the process because it is and he's literally a legal permanent resident of the United States. However the interviewer isn't there, it's the US Marshals. Chains go on and he's off to the holding facility.
Fortunately for him he was able to stay in touch with his family because the holding facility has contracted with a private telecommunications company that dictates pay per minute rates for phone calls so he can still speak with his children until the money runs out. And once he's back in Denmark then he can read them bedtime stories for the price of a zoom.
And at least it's clear to him who is to blame for his predicament. He explains
The reason I'm sitting here is more or less a product of the Biden Administration. They were the ones who let me go through this process without saying there was a problem. They didn't keep an eye on it. It wasn't until Trump that things got sorted out
His wife, who does not work and relied upon him for her income, has moved the family into a RV and they are currently living on gofundmes. She explains that they still absolutely support Trump's immigration policies.
There is absolutely no reasoning with these people. They're broken.
Crazy anecdote of just how far gone some of these Trumpers are but the story of the white guy from Denmark that made 4 white babies also being a target for deportation is a buzzkill for some of the other narratives we got going on here
It’s really not a buzzkill for those, that’s kind of the point. They let the Nazis through the door because they figured they would do Nazi stuff to other people. Problem for them is that Nazis have a long list of “others” and it turns out they’re on it. There’s no aryan so aryan that they can’t find themselves in a camp, that’s part of why you don’t ever Nazi.
I see. The nazi fucks are so racist they didn’t stop at going after brown people but have started to go after white people too. Fucking Orange Supremacists.
EPT
. Ranked choice voting helps with that sort of cooperation. 
