EPTOn June 09 2025 06:05 LightSpectra wrote:
Nazi Lives Don't Matter!
Nazi Lives Don't Matter!
That is not a cemetery for the Nazis afaik.
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Simberto
Germany11511 Posts
That is not a cemetery for the Nazis afaik. | ||
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Introvert
United States4756 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany965 Posts
On June 09 2025 06:17 Introvert wrote: A few posters here are arguing that rioting and violence over the enforcement of immigration law is bad and half the other people here are doing a "I can't even" while displaying typical ignorance of how the process works. Is there an incident of left wing political violence in the past 9 months you guys haven't excused or even justified? It's almost like both sides are human and it's way too easy to echo chamber yourself into extemeism. I am beginning to be curious what happens in January of 2028 if a Republican wins. The Nazis don't want the law to rule, that's why they are telling the ICE agents to ignore the law and to hold, abduct and deport people without due process. They also want cops beaten to death when Trump tells them too, or drive cars into crowds, or bring Assault rifles to protests they don't agree with (just to have an excuse to execute people). | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany965 Posts
Right this to the President of the United States of America, is a cemetry of "Losers". What did they get? Shot? Died. For nothing. Private Bonespur wouldn't have showed up at D-Day. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10501 Posts
On June 09 2025 03:30 micronesia wrote: The concern is less about who is on the list to get investigated for deportation and more about how the authorities are going about it. They have been very fast and lose with grabbing people off the street in very dangerous manners (e.g., using unidentified officers who seem unofficial), rushing them out of the country to avoid interference by the courts that would slow the process down, violating court orders, delaying correcting mistakes, and making statements (from senior government officials) that due process is not required or should not be required. Some very valid points lost in a sea of people screaming about nazism and insisting that enforcing borders is racist. People on the left would be better off calling out the black sheep on their side making bad arguments so that people on the right can't chalk it all up to TDS. for example + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Haven‘t yet seen people being pushed into ghettos and paramilitaries hunting minorities without repercussions. Sure, the predatory capitalism there does that on its own already and some leaders like to borrow their rhetoric. The purging of some positions in the government wasn‘t really promising either but I guess you‘re going to be fine after all with this shitshow unfolding. | ||
KwarK
United States42693 Posts
On June 09 2025 08:19 Vivax wrote: America is its own kind of nuts, comparing everyone and everything to nazis is getting rather stale. Haven‘t yet seen people being pushed into ghettos and paramilitaries hunting minorities without repercussions. Sure, the predatory capitalism there does that on its own already and some leaders like to borrow their rhetoric. The purging of some positions in the government wasn‘t really promising either but I guess you‘re going to be fine after all with this shitshow unfolding. Your lack of knowledge of things does not mean they’re not happening, it means you don’t know about them. Not sure how you mixed those two up. Did you think you knew everything? Did you make any attempt to check whether any minorities had been hunted before asserting you didn’t know of any cases? | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On June 09 2025 08:22 KwarK wrote: Your lack of knowledge of things does not mean they’re not happening, it means you don’t know about them. Not sure how you mixed those two up. Did you think you knew everything? Did you make any attempt to check whether any minorities had been hunted before asserting you didn’t know of any cases? No, honestly. I‘m only superficially keeping up. I know that watching a dumpster fire can be relaxing but it‘s not really my type of gig right now. What I do know is that over there, the way people are euthanized is with insane bills on education and healthcare. That‘s not a new issue though. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25344 Posts
On June 09 2025 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: This thread has reached "head, meet wall. Wall, head." levels of stupidity. Arguing with these 3-4 individuals is a clinical study of insanity. If someone can educate me on why anyone still engages with these people, please, do so. I like a challenge. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1058 Posts
On June 09 2025 08:08 BlackJack wrote: Some very valid points lost in a sea of people screaming about nazism and insisting that enforcing borders is racist. People on the left would be better off calling out the black sheep on their side making bad arguments so that people on the right can't chalk it all up to TDS. for example + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U99_chmNi4E&ab_channel=yimyammer Ah yes, people on the left should fight amongst themselves until they are perfect. Once they are perfect, then they have earned the privilege of calling out people on the right. Brilliant strategy. Have the people on the right ever tried that strategy? Doesn't seem like it, and it seems like ignoring it has paid huge dividends. As I've heard before: people on the left can agree on 99 things, but will find that one point of disagreement so that they won't cast their vote. People on the right can disagree on 99 things, but will find that one thing to agree on to earn their vote. Seems like people are purposely stacking the deck in one direction. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25344 Posts
On June 09 2025 06:17 Introvert wrote: A few posters here are arguing that rioting and violence over the enforcement of immigration law is bad and half the other people here are doing a "I can't even" while displaying typical ignorance of how the process works. Is there an incident of left wing political violence in the past 9 months you guys haven't excused or even justified? It's almost like both sides are human and it's way too easy to echo chamber yourself into extemeism. I am beginning to be curious what happens in January of 2028 if a Republican wins. How was the nation founded in the first place? If youse had just kept asking nicely you’d probably still be a colony. A much refined, classier people, albeit with considerably worse teeth. I wouldn’t personally agree with a giant immigration clampdown myself, for various reasons but if it was done in a way that wasn’t well, this I’d reluctantly accept it as undesirable, but legitimate. I’m also sure many on the wider left would not, but that’s my personal position. As it stands, I have pretty fucking big issues with how it’s being done. I’m no expert, or even a particularly well-informed layman on the legal particulars, but plenty of judges seem to share my sentiment while lacking my ignorance of the specifics. We seem to be having something of a flip with modern day ‘conservatism’. While I’d still frequently disagree on a moral level in some instances, and the left would desire a more malleable constitution, adherence to that document, or laws and procedures was something I’d have said was a pretty consistent belief amongst conservatives, in rhetoric and practice. It’s not really something I can say with a straight face these days, honourable exceptions notwithstanding. | ||
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Introvert
United States4756 Posts
On June 09 2025 09:46 WombaT wrote: How was the nation founded in the first place? If youse had just kept asking nicely you’d probably still be a colony. A much refined, classier people, albeit with considerably worse teeth. I wouldn’t personally agree with a giant immigration clampdown myself, for various reasons but if it was done in a way that wasn’t well, this I’d reluctantly accept it as undesirable, but legitimate. I’m also sure many on the wider left would not, but that’s my personal position. As it stands, I have pretty fucking big issues with how it’s being done. I’m no expert, or even a particularly well-informed layman on the legal particulars, but plenty of judges seem to share my sentiment while lacking my ignorance of the specifics. We seem to be having something of a flip with modern day ‘conservatism’. While I’d still frequently disagree on a moral level in some instances, and the left would desire a more malleable constitution, adherence to that document, or laws and procedures was something I’d have said was a pretty consistent belief amongst conservatives, in rhetoric and practice. It’s not really something I can say with a straight face these days, honourable exceptions notwithstanding. Immigration enforcement is being consistent with our laws. It's the dereliction of duty, primarily by Democrat presidents at the behest of left wing activists, that is why there is so much enforcement to be done in the first place. A comparison to the American revolution to me counts as weakness as that's about as stained a line as one could possibly draw. Get back to me when the rioters have a continental congress or are arguing about the rights of Englishmen. Meanwhile, today we live an republic not a monarchy ruled from across the ocean. It's almost like all the nihilism I hear about on the right or the ends justify the means reasoning is just lefty projection. I might as well just shrug at the January 6 riot too I suppose? I could keep going, but yet still no answer to my question. Maybe I could reframe it? What *would* be bad political violence, even theoretically. Anything at all? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7298 Posts
Posting a picture of a toilet in here would be uncouth | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Especially when it comes to the violence part. I can say I did. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8523 Posts
On June 09 2025 12:23 Introvert wrote: Immigration enforcement is being consistent with our laws. It's the dereliction of duty, primarily by Democrat presidents at the behest of left wing activists, that is why there is so much enforcement to be done in the first place. A comparison to the American revolution to me counts as weakness as that's about as stained a line as one could possibly draw. Get back to me when the rioters have a continental congress or are arguing about the rights of Englishmen. Meanwhile, today we live an republic not a monarchy ruled from across the ocean. It's almost like all the nihilism I hear about on the right or the ends justify the means reasoning is just lefty projection. I might as well just shrug at the January 6 riot too I suppose? I could keep going, but yet still no answer to my question. Maybe I could reframe it? What *would* be bad political violence, even theoretically. Anything at all? commendable really... how about the GOP and more crucially their leadership? after they ran for the hills when an actual mob out to kill them and the VP at the time...they turned around and shirked responsibility for fanning the flames of the "big steal lie" and are currently in the process of sane washing insane acts. many Jan.06 rioters not only got pardoned. nono, they are suing for damages as well. we live in upside down Trumpworld and for some reason people act like all is peachy. that is the highly disconcerting part. I mean WTF. pardoning them for clearly breaking the law - we have the footage. it is out in broad daylight and was live streamed across the god damn planet. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, however not the way it is used by his lackeys. enforcement of immigration law is highly contested currently and up for review in countless courts. to broadly categorize it as "consistent with the law" is ignorant at best. highly silly and deceiving is more likely I guess. I mean they are using the "Alien Enemies Act". What is the Alien Enemies Act? The Alien Enemies Act of 1798 is a wartime authority that allows the president to detain or deport the natives and citizens of an enemy nation. The law permits the president to target these immigrants without a hearing and based only on their country of birth or citizenship. Although the law was enacted to prevent foreign espionage and sabotage in wartime, it can be — and has been — wielded against immigrants who have done nothing wrong, have evinced no signs of disloyalty, and are lawfully present in the United States. It is an overbroad authority that may violate constitutional rights in wartime and is subject to abuse in peacetime. war. time. and enemy nations. let that sink in. | ||
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Introvert
United States4756 Posts
On June 09 2025 13:39 Doublemint wrote: commendable really... how about the GOP and more crucially their leadership? after they ran for the hills when an actual mob out to kill them and the VP at the time...they turned around and shirked responsibility for fanning the flames of the "big steal lie" and are currently in the process of sane washing insane acts. many Jan.06 rioters not only got pardoned. nono, they are suing for damages as well. we live in upside down Trumpworld and for some reason people act like all is peachy. that is the highly disconcerting part. I mean WTF. pardoning them for clearly breaking the law - we have the footage. it is out in broad daylight and was live streamed across the god damn planet. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, however not the way it is used by his lackeys. enforcement of immigration law is highly contested currently and up for review in countless courts. to broadly categorize it as "consistent with the law" is ignorant at best. highly silly and deceiving is more likely I guess. I mean they are using the "Alien Enemies Act". war. time. and enemy nations. let that sink in. What was going on in LA doesn't have anything to do with his Alien Enemies Act claims although I suppose some of the images coming from the scene might actually bring it back to mind, in Trump's favor. You are missing the point though. Part of why Trump's pardons didn't get the airtime is because the previous administration had a serious double standard with the law, including Biden’s refusal to secure the border right up until he pardoned his son after promising not to. This goes both ways. Capitol riot=insurrection, violence in Los Angeles... understandable! I'm going to ask you another question, one you guys LOVE to ask GreenHorizons. What, exactly, do you think these people are accomplishing? I have never made any excuses for any of the January 6 rioters and still not a single person will answer the question i asked before. I'm waiting for someone to tell me why it's OK to set cars on fire, for example. "But Trump" is going to go even worse than it normally does when he's against riots and you guys aren't. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8523 Posts
how are they legitimizing the ramped up ICE actions and fast tracked deportations? remind me again... it is invoking the ALIEN ENEMIES ACT. and talking of invasion and relentless anti immigrant propaganda of course. works perfectly for some evidently. and Biden was - so you say - unlawful... ergo anything goes for the orange maniac and his lackeys? the "capitol riot" was based on a LIE - a ridiculous amount of courts said so. Fox paid for it and they sacked Tucker as a response. the violence in LA is based on ICE actually doing not just legally questionable stuff to members of their community - but also intentionally escalating tensions. if you cannot tell the difference and follow this trail of thought we are finished here. it's like I am talking to a child for christ's sake. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7298 Posts
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Introvert
United States4756 Posts
On June 09 2025 14:45 Doublemint wrote: that's an interesting way to argue. deflecting and intentionally missing the point while accusing the other one of that. how are they legitimizing the ramped up ICE actions and fast tracked deportations? remind me again... it is the ALIEN ENEMIES ACT. and Biden was - so you say - unlawful... ergo anything goes for the orange maniac and his lackeys? the "capitol riot" was based on a LIE - a ridiculous amount of courts said so. Fox paid for it and they sacked Tucker as a response. the violence in LA is based on ICE actually doing not just legally questionable stuff to members of their community - but also intentionally escalating tensions. if you cannot tell the difference and follow this trail of thought we are finished here. it's like I am talking to a child for christ's sake. You keep bringing up the Alien Enemies Act for no reason at all, so far as I've read it had nothing to do with what ICE was doing in LA... Are you perhaps confused? What else do we call your continual references to it besides deflection or ignorance? You do know it is perfectly legal to apprehend and deport people in the country illegally under multiple other statutes? The AEA has been used in a relatively small number of cases overall. You aren't reading what I'm saying. I'm the one being consistent here. I said Jan 6=bad and LA riots right now=bad. What's disturbing but less and less surprising is no one else will say the same. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8523 Posts
On June 09 2025 14:51 Zambrah wrote: I’m gonna make this my last comment on the arguing with the completely disingenuous right wingers thing, but if you see someone arguing with a squirrel at the park, the only one who looks crazy is the person arguing with a squirrel yeah probably. those disingenuos replies really make me question my sanity. | ||
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