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On April 26 2025 10:21 WombaT wrote:
Is there a serious discussion to be had on the ‘viability’ of Canada? It’s got problems, as does my country, it’s still a country. And whatever its problems are, bending over and becoming a US vassal state probably isn’t the solution.
Obviously the US President that goes around tariffing things, removing tariffs, reinstating, removing and chatting about making it the 51st state might make one feature more prominently than otherwise.
No, there is isn't even unserious discussion. Our conservatives fell in the polls 30! points since Trump started talking 51st state. Just ignore anything JJR says about Canada, I would but I would hate for people to see the Canada after his name and take him as serious human. He is more unique than a snowflake, a true one of a kind, his opinions and thoughts do not relate to any Canadian I've met and I would bet that the rest of the Canadians that read here would say the same.
Sorry for him.
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Northern Ireland25289 Posts
Just because you engage in (basically standard) political bullshit doesn’t mean you’re a totalitarian party.
If they are, they’re a remarkably ineffective one.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing Stalin into it, I’m just calling a spade a spade. Stalinism being worse than Trumpism doesn’t wash out all the Fascism that’s there in the latter.
You also seem to discount the possibility that the ‘MSM’ is mostly against Trump not because the Dems, but because he’s really, really shit and independent actors can recognise this by themselves. As
Indeed does much of the globe.
As I’ve reiterated many times the Democratic Party can still be shit, but there’s no comparison to this utter nonsense we’re witnessing with this administration.
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I am not sure what was happening with this post lol.
On April 26 2025 10:43 WombaT wrote:
Just because you engage in (basically standard) political bullshit doesn’t mean you’re a totalitarian party.
If they are, they’re a remarkably ineffective one.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing Stalin into it, I’m just calling a spade a spade. Stalinism being worse than Trumpism doesn’t wash out all the Fascism that’s there in the latter.
You also seem to discount the possibility that the ‘MSM’ is mostly against Trump not because the Dems, but because he’s really, really shit and independent actors can recognise this by themselves. As
Indeed does much of the globe.
As I’ve reiterated many times the Democratic Party can still be shit, but there’s no comparison to this utter nonsense we’re witnessing with this administration.
"Just because you engage in (basically standard) political bullshit doesn’t mean you’re a totalitarian party. " my point is that standard political bullshit is attempt to achieve enough power to become authoritarian, also if thats the "standard" then how can you think that voting matters? None of this should be acceptable, let alone be a standard.
"If they are, they’re a remarkably ineffective one. " hushing Hunter laptop story when not in office seems rather effective..
"I’m not sure why you’re bringing Stalin into it, I’m just calling a spade a spade. Stalinism being worse than Trumpism doesn’t wash out all the Fascism that’s there in the latter." It is to try reiterate my point that authoritarian government is neither fascist or communist it is authoritarian government. It is whole different thing alltogether.
"You also seem to discount the possibility that the ‘MSM’ is mostly against Trump not because the Dems, but because he’s really, really shit and independent actors can recognise this by themselves. As
Indeed does much of the globe. " maybe because all this "independent" actors were at the same time assuring everyone that Biden is just fine?
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On April 26 2025 10:21 WombaT wrote:
Is there a serious discussion to be had on the ‘viability’ of Canada? It’s got problems, as does my country, it’s still a country. And whatever its problems are, bending over and becoming a US vassal state probably isn’t the solution.
Obviously the US President that goes around tariffing things, removing tariffs, reinstating, removing and chatting about making it the 51st state might make one feature more prominently than otherwise.
Quebec is just Canadian Texas. Misguided feelings of exceptionalism born from insecurity, a unique history, and geography.
It’s the same thing as the member of extended family who never quite fit in at extended family gatherings. Even when they huff and puff about going their own way, it’s just venting and they love their family.
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Thanks for sharing; that was a rough one to read.
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On April 26 2025 09:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Looks like Donald Trump is not the only one who thinks Canada really isn't a country. https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/blanchet-calls-canada-an-artificial-country-with-very-little-meaning/Show nested quote +“We are, whether we like it or not, part of an artificial country with very little meaning, called Canada,” Blanchet said in English during a campaign stop in Shawinigan, Que.
He made the comment in response to a question about previous remarks he made referring to the House of Commons as a “foreign parliament” that he sits in.
“It’s a foreign parliament because this nation is not mine,” Blanchet explained. “I don’t feel more at ease in the Canadian Parliament than (Alberta Premier Danielle) Smith would feel at ease in the National Assembly of Quebec.” Canada is more of an economic zone than anything else. As I've said before, its a child of 2 divorced parents that has done a great job playing them off of each other. it is fascinating how front and centre the US prez is within Canadian media just days before the Canadian Federal Election. never seen that before. i was talking to my Canadian grandparents last weekend and they've never seen it before either. This Blanchet guy is the leader of a Canadian political party that will probably control the 3rd most seats behind the Liberals and Conservatives. So his opinion carries some weight. There is a viable path for both Quebec and Alberta to separate from Canada and establish some kind of sovereignty-association type deal with the USA.
oh I am sure he helped his cause of getting elected big time there... in the FEDERAL CANADIAN election lol.
looking at the polls I can see why he would want to make waves so late in the game.
and social media globalised the brain rot.
to ALL of our detriment. US companies not wanting to have anything to do with the way people operate on their platforms, but very much wanting to reap the massive amounts of data and turn it into ad revenue/sell or deal for it to whoever is willing and able.
Lina Khan had the right idea of trustbusting all of them, unfortunately not the political pull.
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On April 26 2025 05:29 decafchicken wrote:
And now trump is arresting judges.
*constitutional crisis intensifies*
Unfortunately, two judges seem to have done illegal things, and as we know no one is above the law. They are not even being arrested for belonging to the choir of district judges who have unilaterally taken up the power to override the executive branch since January. Has nothing to do with the interplay between branches which leads to constitutional crises, which is why it wasn't a constitutional crisis for example when Santos was investigated for... doing illegal things.
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On April 26 2025 19:19 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2025 05:29 decafchicken wrote:
And now trump is arresting judges.
*constitutional crisis intensifies* Unfortunately, two judges seem to have done illegal things, and as we know no one is above the law. They are not even being arrested for belonging to the choir of district judges who have unilaterally taken up the power to override the executive branch since January. Has nothing to do with the interplay between branches which leads to constitutional crises, which is why it wasn't a constitutional crisis for example when Santos was investigated for... doing illegal things.
let the courts work and decide. I have a feeling that this US admin, once again and masterfully, barked up the wrong tree.
decent chance they have found a nest of wasps.
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Northern Ireland25289 Posts
On April 26 2025 10:52 Razyda wrote:I am not sure what was happening with this post lol. Show nested quote +On April 26 2025 10:43 WombaT wrote:
Just because you engage in (basically standard) political bullshit doesn’t mean you’re a totalitarian party.
If they are, they’re a remarkably ineffective one.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing Stalin into it, I’m just calling a spade a spade. Stalinism being worse than Trumpism doesn’t wash out all the Fascism that’s there in the latter.
You also seem to discount the possibility that the ‘MSM’ is mostly against Trump not because the Dems, but because he’s really, really shit and independent actors can recognise this by themselves. As
Indeed does much of the globe.
As I’ve reiterated many times the Democratic Party can still be shit, but there’s no comparison to this utter nonsense we’re witnessing with this administration. "Just because you engage in (basically standard) political bullshit doesn’t mean you’re a totalitarian party. " my point is that standard political bullshit is attempt to achieve enough power to become authoritarian, also if thats the "standard" then how can you think that voting matters? None of this should be acceptable, let alone be a standard. "If they are, they’re a remarkably ineffective one. " hushing Hunter laptop story when not in office seems rather effective.. "I’m not sure why you’re bringing Stalin into it, I’m just calling a spade a spade. Stalinism being worse than Trumpism doesn’t wash out all the Fascism that’s there in the latter." It is to try reiterate my point that authoritarian government is neither fascist or communist it is authoritarian government. It is whole different thing alltogether."You also seem to discount the possibility that the ‘MSM’ is mostly against Trump not because the Dems, but because he’s really, really shit and independent actors can recognise this by themselves. As Indeed does much of the globe. " maybe because all this "independent" actors were at the same time assuring everyone that Biden is just fine?
I don’t understand why you keep reiterating this point, or indeed what your threshold for authoritarianism actually is. Or what your overarching point is. Or why you object so much to the invocation of the Fascist label when it’s pretty applicable
Is it that Dems and Reps are both authoritarian and thus it’s a Sophie’s Choice scenario or what? I don’t wish to put words in your mouth I’m just genuinely unsure.
Many did not know he wasn’t. Many indeed immediately expressed concerns the second he had that disastrous debate, indeed many posters in here went from ‘he’s not as sharp as he was but he is probably still fit’ to ‘oh shit, Biden is actually cooked’, which I think contradicts certain narratives.
I don’t like ‘standard political bullshit’, but it is what it is. Show me a 100% honest political party and I’ll show you a party that can’t get elected.
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If I were a judge I‘d be wondering what‘s left of the worth of the law when Trump manipulates it at will.
All these pro- law & order voices in here when it comes to immigration conveniently ignore the pardons and his own actions going unpunished.
What do you think would happen in a functional country if average Joe went on social media and called for the capitol/parliament to be assaulted ?
oBlade and Blackjack would probably tick the box for said person to be elected.
Best to just assume America.exe has stopped working.
The rest of the world is adjusting to that while tiptoeing around the whims of this guy.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/26/antisemitism-us-jews-free-speech
The Trump administration claims that its moves to defund universities, arrest and deport students and force schools to demote or monitor professors are meant to combat antisemitism, protect Jewish students and remove “Hamas-supporting” foreign nationals from the country. American pro-Israel groups including the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Hillel International, Aipac and the Heritage Foundation have united behind Republican measures to crack down on higher education and its putative antisemitism. Religiously identified groups such as the Orthodox Union and Christians United for Israel have joined the chorus, celebrating the punishment of supposedly antisemitic students and professors. Whatever their varied pasts, today’s pro-Israel groups are not about protecting American Jews. Instead, they are allies in Maga’s war on free speech, academic freedom and the US’s democratic society itself.
This shows how badly the definition of antisemitism has been twisted by the Israeli government and its advocacy groups worlwide.
The US government is now targeting American jews who disagree with the way Israel is conducting its genocide, at the behest of pro-Israel groups.
Now what is really antisemitic? Disagreeing with Israel's actions, or the US government targeting jews for arrest for speaking out?
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On April 26 2025 19:19 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2025 05:29 decafchicken wrote:
And now trump is arresting judges.
*constitutional crisis intensifies* Unfortunately, two judges seem to have done illegal things, and as we know no one is above the law. They are not even being arrested for belonging to the choir of district judges who have unilaterally taken up the power to override the executive branch since January. Has nothing to do with the interplay between branches which leads to constitutional crises, which is why it wasn't a constitutional crisis for example when Santos was investigated for... doing illegal things.
Trump seems to do illegal things all the time. What have these judges done to you that warrants arrests, and why so in comparison to the contempt the executive branch has shown the judiciary?
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On April 27 2025 16:58 Jockmcplop wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/26/antisemitism-us-jews-free-speechShow nested quote +The Trump administration claims that its moves to defund universities, arrest and deport students and force schools to demote or monitor professors are meant to combat antisemitism, protect Jewish students and remove “Hamas-supporting” foreign nationals from the country. American pro-Israel groups including the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Hillel International, Aipac and the Heritage Foundation have united behind Republican measures to crack down on higher education and its putative antisemitism. Religiously identified groups such as the Orthodox Union and Christians United for Israel have joined the chorus, celebrating the punishment of supposedly antisemitic students and professors. Whatever their varied pasts, today’s pro-Israel groups are not about protecting American Jews. Instead, they are allies in Maga’s war on free speech, academic freedom and the US’s democratic society itself. This shows how badly the definition of antisemitism has been twisted by the Israeli government and its advocacy groups worlwide. The US government is now targeting American jews who disagree with the way Israel is conducting its genocide, at the behest of pro-Israel groups. Now what is really antisemitic? Disagreeing with Israel's actions, or the US government targeting jews for arrest for speaking out?
I think this separation is quite clear in Europe. Jews are more unpopular than they were but far from large organized hate crimes against them. While Israel as a state is unpopular and people would not object to them being banned at sporting events, Eurovision, stop military sales etc.
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There is at best a bad reason to confound Judaism with the state of Israel.
They‘re likely to be among the best customers of the US arms industry which is why their actions are so protected.
Of course when their government bombs tent cities, it doesn‘t look so stunning for them. Gives a bunch of people an excuse to fall back into an old pattern, but there isn‘t much rationale behind it.
The whole idea of a population being relocated to a strip full with people of an opposing religion out of an almost theocratical impulse was silly in the first place.
At this point one can just hope that the Gaza strip issue gets resolved without much additional bloodshed.
Of course the other Arab countries won‘t feel safer or more positively inclined to the US as a result.
They aren‘t mediating at all. Just shutting down protesters at home.
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On April 27 2025 17:29 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2025 16:58 Jockmcplop wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/26/antisemitism-us-jews-free-speechThe Trump administration claims that its moves to defund universities, arrest and deport students and force schools to demote or monitor professors are meant to combat antisemitism, protect Jewish students and remove “Hamas-supporting” foreign nationals from the country. American pro-Israel groups including the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Hillel International, Aipac and the Heritage Foundation have united behind Republican measures to crack down on higher education and its putative antisemitism. Religiously identified groups such as the Orthodox Union and Christians United for Israel have joined the chorus, celebrating the punishment of supposedly antisemitic students and professors. Whatever their varied pasts, today’s pro-Israel groups are not about protecting American Jews. Instead, they are allies in Maga’s war on free speech, academic freedom and the US’s democratic society itself. This shows how badly the definition of antisemitism has been twisted by the Israeli government and its advocacy groups worlwide. The US government is now targeting American jews who disagree with the way Israel is conducting its genocide, at the behest of pro-Israel groups. Now what is really antisemitic? Disagreeing with Israel's actions, or the US government targeting jews for arrest for speaking out? I think this separation is quite clear in Europe. Jews are more unpopular than they were but far from large organized hate crimes against them. While Israel as a state is unpopular and people would not object to them being banned at sporting events, Eurovision, stop military sales etc.
Canada has stopped sending them military aid other than for their Iron dome, which I think is fair.
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On April 27 2025 17:08 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2025 19:19 oBlade wrote:On April 26 2025 05:29 decafchicken wrote:
And now trump is arresting judges.
*constitutional crisis intensifies* Unfortunately, two judges seem to have done illegal things, and as we know no one is above the law. They are not even being arrested for belonging to the choir of district judges who have unilaterally taken up the power to override the executive branch since January. Has nothing to do with the interplay between branches which leads to constitutional crises, which is why it wasn't a constitutional crisis for example when Santos was investigated for... doing illegal things. Trump seems to do illegal things all the time. What have these judges done to you that warrants arrests, and why so in comparison to the contempt the executive branch has shown the judiciary?
One obstructed federal agents and one hid a criminal in his house. That's why judges approved arrest warrants for them and they were arrested. I find it credible they broke the law which was the probable cause for them being arrested under warrant. They will have their day in court to show otherwise.
There is no "in comparison." You are comparing apples to oranges. They were not arrested because they are judges and the law isn't supposed to apply to judges which everyone knows, except Drumpf who is so vengeful he had them arrested for breaking laws even though they're allowed to break laws. They are citizens who (allegedly and credibly enough to merit arrest warrants) broke laws.
The "contempt" you frame the executive currently showing the judiciary is reciprocal. Parts of the judicial branch are in brazen political mutiny in a departure from their constitutional role, which is a strategy explicitly admitted by Schumer. Many Democrats, to include many district judges, simply do not accept that the office of president exists or has any power when occupied by the orange devil.
I'll give you a quick example.
During Biden's administration, there was a border crisis, with caravans of 10k-15k people arriving per day from not only Central & South America but the whole world. These are called "inadmissible aliens." This is not a pejorative from me, it's a specific legal class, meaning people who have no reason to be let in, but if they walk across the border and call ollie ollie in free, due to lack of enforcement of the laws by the Biden administration, they would get a court date in 3 years and be let into the US on the basis of an asylum claim which has a 90%+ rate of being called BS and rejected in court if they ever bother to show up.
However, after a certain point, that begins to make it look like you're being a bad president, at least on paper, because there's large numbers of hundreds of thousands or millions of people crossing the border illegally and many of them staying.
In its infinite wisdom, the corpse of Biden directed Mayorkas to invent a program paroling the people into the US, so they could be brought directly to the US and wouldn't be counted as illegal border crossings and illegal immigrants, they would come under "parole" instead which makes the numbers look good on paper!
The source of the authority is 8 USC 1182:
+ Show Spoiler +(5)(A) The Secretary of Homeland Security may, except as provided in subparagraph (B) or in section 1184(f) of this title, in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States, but such parole of such alien shall not be regarded as an admission of the alien and when the purposes of such parole shall, in the opinion of the Secretary of Homeland Security, have been served the alien shall forthwith return or be returned to the custody from which he was paroled and thereafter his case shall continue to be dealt with in the same manner as that of any other applicant for admission to the United States.
So the Biden administration created a convenient app to turbo-let 500,000 inadmissible aliens into the country and dumped them on towns that never asked and weren't consulted. Sound like a case-by-case basis to you? Me neither. But good news, instead of 500,000 illegal border crossings by inadmissible aliens, we helped 500,000 people in a humanitarian stroke! Hooray!
Trump ended the program and ended parole for people on it, giving them like a month to leave.
A district presidentjudge stayed the order with this rationale:
+ Show Spoiler +Termination of Parole Processes for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans, 90 Fed. Reg. 13611 (Mar. 25, 2025), is hereby STAYED pending further court order insofar as it revokes, without case-by-case review, the previously granted parole and work authorization issued to noncitizens paroled into the United States pursuant to parole programs for noncitizens from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela (the “CHNV parole programs”) prior to the noncitizen’s originally stated parole end date.
Emphasis mine. Conclusion: A Republican's evil hand may not undo that which a Democrat president did with the exact same power. Biden can mass import 500,000 people despite that the law specifically says it takes a case-by-case basis to admit them. Trump cannot end the parole because they or a Democrat somewhere might not like that. It's one after another of these. A president trying to run the country doing something that he thinks, and usually is, within his power to do. A progressive judge somewhere throws a wrench in it with the justification it might affect someone in a way they don't like.
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oBlade law and order strikes again:
Judges that judge falsely deported people need to be brought back:
You are wrong! They were ILLEGAL ANYWAY, we can ignore you!
Judges that obstruct illegal deportation:
The illegal must have rubbed off on you! To jail it is!
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What news are you reading that the judges were arrested for obstructing illegal deportation?
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On April 26 2025 10:40 Billyboy wrote:
in an earlier post you contended you disbelieve my grandparents observation.
well, my grandparents have never seen this kind of election interference from a US Prez in their lifetimes.
I've never seen it either.
for you to claim otherwise... no idea what to say... on the eve of a Canadian election this is what the US Prez said.
"Good luck to the Great people of Canada," Trump posted on Truth Social.
"Elect the man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your taxes in half, increase your military power, for free, to the highest level in the World, have your Car, Steel, Aluminum, Lumber, Energy, and all other businesses, QUADRUPLE in size, WITH ZERO TARIFFS OR TAXES, if Canada becomes the cherished 51st. State of the United States of America.
"No more artificially drawn line from many years ago. Look how beautiful this land mass would be. Free access with NO BORDER.
"ALL POSITIVES WITH NO NEGATIVES. IT WAS MEANT TO BE! America can no longer subsidize Canada with the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year that we have been spending in the past. It makes no sense unless Canada is a State!"
Normally, the US Prez says nothing and stays out of it completely. I've never seen this before in my life. Neither have my grandparents. If you have some examples to refute this observation please post them. Please, post all the meandering speeches by US Presidents yapping away about what Canada should do the night before an election.
On April 26 2025 10:40 Billyboy wrote:
his opinions and thoughts do not relate to any Canadian I've met and I would bet that the rest of the Canadians that read here would say the same.
LOL, dude. During many times over the past 50 years a substantial % of Quebecers wanted out. THe %s ebb and flow between 30% and 50%.
1980 Referendum 40%
1995 Referendum 49.9%
Early 1990s (Polling peaks) 50–60%
2000s–2020s (Polling avg.) 30–40%
And for those who do not know: QUebec is the 2nd most populous province in Canada. The province gets handed more money from the Feds than any other province by far. Every province in Canada is subsidizing Quebec.
Do you know why most people go to U of W or take Comp Sci and Engineering at U of T? To create a viable path to the USA. In 2022, 120,000 Canadians left for the USA. So many dedicated professionals like Nurses, Medical Technologists, DRs, Engineers of all stripes leave for the USA.
It is hilarious that "they" refuse to keep stats on how many Canadian nurses leave for the USA. it is telling. Any one who works in a major hospital or went through a big time nursing program knows it is a factor contributing to the current nursing shortage Canada faces. And man, US companies are recruiting Canadian nurses HARD and have been doing so for many years. Thousands leave every year. The US companies go after the best ones. They do the same thing with Canada's software engineers. They also go after other medical technologists. As soon as hard stats from the 90s showed how huge the problem is nurses leaving for the USA was.. they stopped keeping stats! LOL.
Visit a University of Toronto or University of Waterloo job fair for recent grads. Its filled with US companies.
Many Canadians think like Trump. They think Canada is not viable as a country and they leave. The degenerate morons don't leave. They fear the US Justice System. The smart, ambitious, hard working Canadians leave by the 10s of thousands every year. Canada's very existence hinges on every trade deal it makes with the USA. That's not a viable nation.
It is a lazy and dumb idea to put all your eggs in the Canada basket. Canada needs a genius like Pierre Trudeau or Jean Chretien to get it back on track. I don't see any of the major parties in Canada producing such a genius.
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As an European observer I would much, much rather live in Canada then the US, just because US is a heaven for Libertarian blowhards it doesn't mean it's a better place to live, as evidenced by many factors other then "I don't like paying taxes because I don't give a fuck about my fellow citizens".
On a different note, if you really feel like this about your country of origin you should change your location on this forum, mr. Quisling, keeping it as Canada is dishonest and shitty, which I guess is par for the course, but still.
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