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Uldridge
Belgium4675 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15459 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:15 Billyboy wrote: How do you see a general strike working? I feel like the people that go through with it, if there is not an overwhelming number, will just get fired (especially any government employees). I also don't know what the ask is from the strike or who the strikers would be negotiating with. This is not a collectively bargained situation. I have no idea how it works. But I know I would not participate in something unless it was some giant thing. When judges are being arrested by the FBI, it is time for people to let go of the whole "vote them out" thing. It is still very early, so for the sake of protocol, I am not committing to the idea this is as awful and fascist as it appears. But if it turns out this truly is what it looks like, fair elections are definitely not happening. When non-compliant judges are just arrested, it unravels all other institutions that could ever be used to eject a fascist president without extreme acts of defiance. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15459 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:21 Uldridge wrote: If you get Obama back into the race, all hope is lost. The US will spontaneously combust for sure at some certain time. I think the genuine reality is all hope is already lost and its just a matter of figuring out what the right approach is. I think Obama running for a 3rd time is entirely necessary now that Trump is dropping the "teehee just saying I should" thing. I would be deeply concerned for his safety, but I think it would be an important step to helping Joe Shmoe wake up and see what's really happening. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21480 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:15 Billyboy wrote: The same way it works in every other country where people have striked for the removal of a despot.How do you see a general strike working? I feel like the people that go through with it, if there is not an overwhelming number, will just get fired (especially any government employees). I also don't know what the ask is from the strike or who the strikers would be negotiating with. This is not a collectively bargained situation. You shut the country down until the despot steps down himself or those with power remove him (like Congress being pressured by their (d)owners to actually impeach him fully) | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9080 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:14 Mohdoo wrote: I've pondered all sorts of responses to Trump declaring his 2028 run. I dismiss all the highroad stuff and think the best way to fight back against it is for Obama to declare his candidacy as well There's no world in which the only rule they break is the term limit and that's going to apply equally to everyone and there's going to be a free and fair election. That's entirely inconsistent with their modus operandi. You're talking about an administration using a wartime act trying to sneak a handful of people onto planes at night to send them to an off-shore gulag before courts can stop them, you think that's somehow not on the table for an infinitely more important personal gain? You're more likely to have no elections because you're at war with Narnia. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10304 Posts
She's basically been arrested for helping Anne Frank evade the gestapo... assuming Anne Frank was known to occasionally choke a bitch and facing the consequences of your actions is akin to being genocided. | ||
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decafchicken
United States19993 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:14 Mohdoo wrote: I've pondered all sorts of responses to Trump declaring his 2028 run. I dismiss all the highroad stuff and think the best way to fight back against it is for Obama to declare his candidacy as well If they do make it so trump can run again, it will be in a way that doesn't let Obama run, either by saying you can only run for a third time if you haven't served two consecutive terms or by having JD Vance get elected and then ceding his term to trump, etc | ||
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Billyboy
605 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:27 Gorsameth wrote: The same way it works in every other country where people have striked for the removal of a despot. You shut the country down until the despot steps down himself or those with power remove him (like Congress being pressured by their (d)owners to actually impeach him fully) I get your thing is these snippy comments, but the only proper response is no shit sherlock. But if you go check out the site you could have a real answer. On April 26 2025 06:22 Mohdoo wrote: I have no idea how it works. But I know I would not participate in something unless it was some giant thing. When judges are being arrested by the FBI, it is time for people to let go of the whole "vote them out" thing. It is still very early, so for the sake of protocol, I am not committing to the idea this is as awful and fascist as it appears. But if it turns out this truly is what it looks like, fair elections are definitely not happening. When non-compliant judges are just arrested, it unravels all other institutions that could ever be used to eject a fascist president without extreme acts of defiance. There clearly needs to be a leader of any action, some sort of plan, and far more people than that website is suggesting to even get started. IT was such a let down reading it. For all any one knows that google form was made by DOGE to get info on future "problems". | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15459 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:28 Dan HH wrote: There's no world in which the only rule they break is the term limit and that's going to apply equally to everyone and there's going to be a free and fair election. That's entirely inconsistent with their modus operandi. You're talking about an administration using a wartime act trying to sneak a handful of people onto planes at night to send them to an off-shore gulag before courts can stop them, you think that's somehow not on the table for an infinitely more important personal gain? You're more likely to have no elections because you're at war with Narnia. I understand and I suppose the dark reality is I view Obama’s involvement as mostly a publicity stunt of sorts. If it turns out judges must be compliant with Trump’s agenda, regardless of laws, elections are simply not a thing at this point. Right now I think these 2 judges are intended to scare the others rather than FBI planning to arrest all non compliant judges henceforth. Similar to the Gaza protestors being deported. I hope I’m not proven wrong. Look at posters both here and the conservative subreddit. They were extremely upset by the Hegseth nomination and all seemed to have a lump in their stomach. Nowadays they defend Hegseth like he’s their dad. Just like everyone saying they’d never support Trump, then never supporting a tariff war, they will be cool with “judicial activists” being arrested once they’ve seen figureheads signaling approval for it for a couple months. “Obviously any judges trying to defy the executive, which is not constitutional, should be arrested. I don’t want to arrest all democrat jusges, but the ones knowingly trying to use their position for political purposes is breaking the law and needs to be treated like anyone else” ^this will be what we hear a month from now when judges provide “due process for people who didn’t allow for due process when crossing the border”. At that point, all judges must comply with executive orders by the same logic and we will see all sorts of heinous stuff excused during the next “election”. And so, that’s how I arrive at my original point. Obama must run in a 3rd term to serve as the best possible mechanism of highlighting how wrong all this is. Trump’s insecurity and hatred of Obama will compel him to accelerate his agenda and power much faster than his current plans. It may be what breaks his regime or it might just be a sad chapter in the story. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11396 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:27 Gorsameth wrote: The same way it works in every other country where people have striked for the removal of a despot. You shut the country down until the despot steps down himself or those with power remove him (like Congress being pressured by their (d)owners to actually impeach him fully) Also, of course you need overwhelming numbers for a general strike. A strike doesn't work if it is only a few people. (Unless those few people are in very important positions, like a strike of train drivers) Usually, you only need that large amount of people locally in the business you strike against. For a general strike, you ideally need a majority of workers to be involved, or at least a large minority. Not all of those people need to be on the first line of the first strike, but you need a sympathetic majority who is willing to step up once repression against the first strikers starts. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7183 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:45 decafchicken wrote: If they do make it so trump can run again, it will be in a way that doesn't let Obama run, either by saying you can only run for a third time if you haven't served two consecutive terms or by having JD Vance get elected and then ceding his term to trump, etc You forgot, "black people cant run (for president)" | ||
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BlackJack
United States10304 Posts
On April 26 2025 07:08 Zambrah wrote: You forgot, "black people cant run (for president)" + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/m/OQQjy8qSjl8AAAAC/eye-roll-ugh.gif) | ||
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Vivax
21932 Posts
That‘s when you know you‘re living the dream. It‘s the rational approach when you live there. Risk-free. You can probably hear a few ancient ghosts puking their guts out when these politicians step foot on Roman soil. | ||
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decafchicken
United States19993 Posts
https://time.com/7280114/donald-trump-2025-interview-transcript/ | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24261 Posts
On April 26 2025 06:44 BlackJack wrote: ICE showed up a Wisconsin court to arrest an illegal immigrant who was at trial for domestic battery charges for allegedly beating up a man and woman and sending them to the hospital. The judge reportedly distracted the ICE agents before sneaking the defendant out the jury chambers exit to evade arrest. The guy took off running down the street before he was caught and arrested. His victims were left without justice in the courtroom as the judge adjourned the case before aiding his escape. She's basically been arrested for helping Anne Frank evade the gestapo... assuming Anne Frank was known to occasionally choke a bitch and facing the consequences of your actions is akin to being genocided. From the (BBC) report I’d read earlier, another (immigration) judge had apparently issued a warrant to ICE to nab the bloke, and Judge that got arrested after had some kind of angry dispute with them re jurisdiction prior. I’m not really sure what to think based on the summary I read, but it doesn’t seem as presented in certain quarters. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16594 Posts
https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/blanchet-calls-canada-an-artificial-country-with-very-little-meaning/ “We are, whether we like it or not, part of an artificial country with very little meaning, called Canada,” Blanchet said in English during a campaign stop in Shawinigan, Que. He made the comment in response to a question about previous remarks he made referring to the House of Commons as a “foreign parliament” that he sits in. “It’s a foreign parliament because this nation is not mine,” Blanchet explained. “I don’t feel more at ease in the Canadian Parliament than (Alberta Premier Danielle) Smith would feel at ease in the National Assembly of Quebec.” Canada is more of an economic zone than anything else. As I've said before, its a child of 2 divorced parents that has done a great job playing them off of each other. it is fascinating how front and centre the US prez is within Canadian media just days before the Canadian Federal Election. never seen that before. i was talking to my Canadian grandparents last weekend and they've never seen it before either. This Blanchet guy is the leader of a Canadian political party that will probably control the 3rd most seats behind the Liberals and Conservatives. So his opinion carries some weight. There is a viable path for both Quebec and Alberta to separate from Canada and establish some kind of sovereignty-association type deal with the USA. | ||
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Billyboy
605 Posts
On April 26 2025 09:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Looks like Donald Trump is not the only one who thinks Canada really isn't a country. https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/blanchet-calls-canada-an-artificial-country-with-very-little-meaning/ Canada is more of an economic zone than anything else. As I've said before, its a child of 2 divorced parents that has done a great job playing them off of each other. it is fascinating how front and centre the US prez is within Canadian media just days before the Canadian Federal Election. never seen that before. i was talking to my Canadian grandparents last weekend and they've never seen it before either. This Blanchet guy is the leader of a Canadian political party that will probably control the 3rd most seats behind the Liberals and Conservatives. So his opinion carries some weight. There is a viable path for both Quebec and Alberta to separate from Canada and establish some kind of sovereignty-association type deal with the USA. Wow a separatist agrees with a guy who left. No it is not big news or shocking that a separatist would disparage Canada. I'd hate to insult your grandparents but I find it very unbelievable that they would have not seen this before. And then that you think Quebec would join the USA? Have you even actually ever been Canadian? Do you know about their language laws and so on? You think they are going to happily join with the melting pot? Do you even remotely understand their politics? They are by far the least likely province to join the US. The separatists want their own French speaking country and to protect their culture, not be annihilated. Your Alberta takes are really far off from reality but there are some crazy Rednecks that might go along with, here you are so far off I just feel embarrassed for you. Albertans who would agree with that, would also hate Quebec and if they heard Quebec was joining, they wouldn't. Please no one take anything this guys says about Canada with any seriousness at all. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16594 Posts
On April 26 2025 10:02 Billyboy wrote: No it is not big news or shocking that a separatist would disparage Canada. I'd hate to insult your grandparents but I find it very unbelievable that they would have not seen this before. i've never seen a us prez so front and centre during a canadian federal election. On April 26 2025 10:02 Billyboy wrote: Please no one take anything this guys says about Canada with any seriousness at all. in 1995 Quebec came within 50,000 votes of leaving. the viability of canada is constantly debated. I already posted the John Turner statement about Mulroney selling out Canada during the 1988 election campaign. you've got a tiny population spread across the 2nd largest country in the world with 95% of the population within a 2 hour drive of the US border. any how, if you want a serious discussion about the viability of Canada there is a thread for it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24261 Posts
Obviously the US President that goes around tariffing things, removing tariffs, reinstating, removing and chatting about making it the 51st state might make one feature more prominently than otherwise. | ||
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Razyda
549 Posts
On April 24 2025 19:30 WombaT wrote: All Fascists are authoritarians, but not all authoritarians are Fascists. While not ‘literally Hitler’TM, MAGA/Trumpism is absolutely chock full of ticks in the auld Fashy checkboxes. I also don’t consider the Democratic Party to be a totalitarian one in all those various forms. Ineffectual and well, a bit shit? Yeah, to my tastes. Thus my calculus is Fascist-leaning versus ineffectual and a bit shit, not totalitarian versus totalitarian, or whatever. Others will have different conceptions. I mentioned the British Conservatives and me not considering Fascism in that calculus to stress that I’m not personally the kind to consider right wing/conservative parties as necessarily Fascist. I’m not saying voting doesn’t matter, I say it doesn’t solve a lot of issues due to various democratic deficits, but it solves some. For example, not having Donald Trump ensconced in the White House. Ticking the blue box does at least that, Say I decided to get divorced because my wench was horrific to live with, frequently abused me for being bad at StarCraft and routinely threw rotten vegetables at me. I also hoped to find a new partner within a few years, ideally a supermodel, but I failed in my latter objective (for obvious reasons), it doesn’t mean me getting divorced was meaningless or didn’t solve at least one issue. I can suck at StarCraft in peace again, and rotten vegetables are now solely thrown at me by members of the public when I’m out and not within the comfort of my own home. With a sufficiently large general strike, hypothetically, the timeframe of that biting is quite short. Let’s take your warehouse example. I’ve worked my fair share of retail over the years as well. Can you replace warehouse pickers, or folks doing stock replenishment, manning checkouts etc in quite a short timeframe? Aye, they won’t be as good (I’ve seen the curve with short-term agency holefillers), but yeah. Delivery drivers? Aye. The logistics side of things sure? IT support, hey I’m sure that’s doable too. If, however, every cog in that machine strikes, you have sweet Fanny Adam’s chance throwing inexperienced workers in and getting things up and running quickly. Indeed, even if existing staff in one specific area decided not to strike, they probably couldn’t either. Be it technical specialised jobs, or just a lot of labour being very, very specific and compartmentalised, or simply different organisations having their own procedures, things can break very quickly if just a couple of cogs are removed. Now, the flip side of that is that a lot of labour is quite specific, compartmentalised and in and of itself, not especially complicated and thus in and of itself quite easy to bus in people willing to break picket lines and keep things going. If that’s the only job or two you’re replacing. Or for the TLDR, it doesn’t really matter how many workers you have waiting in the wings, if there’s a proper general/generalish strike. Things are too interconnected, there’s too many holes to plug in the dam. I am just skeptical that there will be a sufficient groundswell that we see such a thing in the States. Fuel protests in the UK (esp. 2000) is quite instructive in how interconnected and thus vulnerable the overall edifice is to strikes and protest, and that example is way more limited than the kind GH is talking about. Re slavery what are your rights? What are they predicated on and what is the threshold for erosion to occur? "All Fascists are authoritarians, but not all authoritarians are Fascists. While not ‘literally Hitler’TM, MAGA/Trumpism is absolutely chock full of ticks in the auld Fashy checkboxes. I also don’t consider the Democratic Party to be a totalitarian one in all those various forms. Ineffectual and well, a bit shit? Yeah, to my tastes." My entire point is that authoritarians are whole different thing than fascist, or commies or whatever. Do you think that live was any different for average citizen under Stalin that it was under Hitler? All they could do, was to do as they told and shut the f up. You dont consider Democrat party to be totalitarian? You mean party which managed to hush Hunter laptop story from all media while Trump was president ( I mean unless you want to give credit to Trump for hushing it himself, as he didnt want to have unfair advantage...), party which drag its political opponent through courts, party which have pretty much all MSM (except the ones referred to as right wing rags) attacking its political opponent unisono, party which influenced social media to hush any dissent (such an appropriate word). Party which required you to disbelieve your eyes, by telling you president is "sharp as tack", party which after people voted for Biden told you "f that, you have Kamala" Party which refers to half a country as deplorables (which is somewhat ominous). The party whose candidate office while she was AG in California argued against releasing prisoners, because it needed them to fight wildfires? https://www.eenews.net/articles/kamala-harris-and-her-connection-to-inmate-firefighters/ That party? Honestly US politics right now seem like corrida to me. You have your picadors (except lances they armed in words like racist/misogynist/transphobe), you have banderillero (instead of placing flags, shouting about its virtues), and then you have Matador, poor effing bull is so focused on the cape (Nazi/fascist) that he never see rapier coming. "Say I decided to get divorced because my wench was horrific to live with, frequently abused me for being bad at StarCraft and routinely threw rotten vegetables at me. I also hoped to find a new partner within a few years, ideally a supermodel, but I failed in my latter objective (for obvious reasons), it doesn’t mean me getting divorced was meaningless or didn’t solve at least one issue. I can suck at StarCraft in peace again, and rotten vegetables are now solely thrown at me by members of the public when I’m out and not within the comfort of my own home." Think it is bad example. In this example voting would be whether you decided for civil, or church marriage. Neither would affect overall outcome. Re general strike GH is talking about doesnt really have a chance of happening in the US (that is unless US manage itself into hyperinflation of pre rentenmark numbers) simply because of States part of the US. General strike in one state sure possible, general strike in entire US? not really, particularly if you consider the fact that majority of the people you would have seen on this strike actually voted for Trump. And yes having access to few millions of willing workers will affect effectiveness of the general strike. Sure things would slow down for a while, maybe some even stopped for a bit, but there is massive difference between "oh shit what we gonna do" vs "we just have to manage a month, or two" On April 26 2025 06:27 Gorsameth wrote: The same way it works in every other country where people have striked for the removal of a despot. You shut the country down until the despot steps down himself or those with power remove him (like Congress being pressured by their (d)owners to actually impeach him fully) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/tank-man-photograph-tiananmen-square-30-years-jeff-widener#img-1 GLHF | ||
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