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Turkeys can't vote for Christmas each and every year, only to eaten every single time. And then blame the Easter Bunny for it. I get that a certain part of the right wing vote have been hoodwinked. Either by Christian values, by immigrants, by culture war issues, by woke, by Brexit. The American economy has always been unequal. You can't now say that because you are really racist, the economy is doing well, but you are doing shit, and the guy who is running against the incumbent president is just as racist as you are, that you are gonna vote for the racist fascist because of the economy.
It don't work that way.
The endgame is not just that you are fucked when the economy is great. That is already the case now. But you get things like Brexit. Or in the US, a fascist president who may end democracy and the rule of law.
You can't blame the economy for that. That's on you. That's on the voter. That's democracy. If the voter wants to torch down the country, they can. There isn't an adult in the room aka the deep state that's going to step in and stop if from happening. You actually live in a real democracy. And you the voter can actually decide what happens to your country. No one can protect a democracy against the voter.
The buck stops at the voter. If a dictatorship does poorly, it is on the dictator. If a democracy does poorly, it is on the voter. In a democracy everyone can blame everything else. And they'd be right. But the voter, they have literally no one to blame. No one, but themselves.
I am all for wealth redistribution. The economy and the purchasing power of impoverished people are two every different thing. Especially here in the US. So then let's stop talking about the former and let's discuss the latter. Admitting that the economy isn't working for everyone and that maybe unbridled capitalism isn't good and not truly American would be great. And let's discuss this rationality without either side invoking the S or C boogeyman.
If you are poor in the US, and you are living paycheck to paycheck. You can't complain about the economy and at the same time claim you want deregulated capitalism and full neoliberalism. Or whatever we would call what the US has right now. The economy is doing great. But you got fucked. You don't own a house. You don't have a upper middle class job. You don't have stocks. You don't have a 401(k).
But even for the lower class people. Real disposable income is actually up. Not down. So even that makes no sense. And if you are worried about wealth distribution for this election, there is one guy whose only piece of legislation was to give a tax cut to corporations and the richest people. So that will be real easy. Maybe some American voters should for a change stop voting against their own economic interest come November 2024.
For context: These are both people you would expect to support him unconditionally.
It is literally two washed up failed UK politicians who probably 0.001% of the US voters ever heard about. They support Biden unconditionally? Why? They are no longer in politics and one is from Labour, the other a Tory. Trying to sell a podcast. People who support Biden unconditionally would be dr. Jill Biden and Kamala Harris.
If tomorrow Gavin Newsom and Obama come out and call for Biden to pull out, that's different.
As bad as this debate was for Biden, he isn't going to pull out. Even if the above two people come out and call on Biden to pull out, he won't. Biden isn't a quitter. He never quit before. He isn't going to quit now. The odds of Trump pulling out are way larger than Biden pulling out. Biden will stay in even if he polls 10 points below Trump AND Obama, Clinton, Newsom, or Schiff or Pelosi call for him to drop out. It's not gonna happen. That ship sailed the moment those people didn't enter the race to try to primary Biden.
Let's not forget that Trump was also horrible. Trump lost big time. Biden just lost more.
The economy and the purchasing power of impoverished people are two every different thing.
I just fundamentally disagree, the economy should be measured by metrics that affect the people who live in the US, if 60% of people are disadvantaged under an economy I cant see how it can be considered anything other than bad.
I wish we had a politician with a real actual spine and values (wish it were you Bernie) that would fight harder for that, readjust what it means to experience poverty in the US (the guidelines for what the government qualifies as poverty havent been adjusted in forever) and actually work to shift wealth away from giga corporation bullshit and towards everyone else.
What is the point of a government if we're not even going to measure its successes by how the people living under it are doing?
I mean damn, the 2024 poverty guidelines for a single person say 15,060 dollars a year, who is out there living by themselves at 15,060 american dollars a year and doing okay? Why should we even care about data thats clearly measuring poverty in such a way as to make poverty levels look low?
I know the notion of anything about government being 'for the people' is basically a joke at this point, from the fuckin' cops to Congress, but I do at least wish there were real options that actually intended to be for the people.
Incidentally, I'm not a Trump voter, I'm on the leftier end of the spectrum here so I'm quite all for Socialism and such. Really more anti-capitalist, but whatever we're doing if its helping as many people as we can then thats more or less what I'm for. Unfortunately I don't have a candidate to vote for, so I just have to vote for Biden since Im in a swingier state. Hes been much better than my admittedly bottom-of-the-barrel expectations for him were, and thats about as high as I'll praise him, definitely won't be out there stumping for him.
I am all for wealth redistribution. The economy and the purchasing power of impoverished people are two every different thing. Especially here in the US. So then let's stop talking about the former and let's discuss the latter. Admitting that the economy isn't working for everyone and that maybe unbridled capitalism isn't good and not truly American would be great. And let's discuss this rationality without either side invoking the S or C boogeyman.
If you are poor in the US, and you are living paycheck to paycheck. You can't complain about the economy and at the same time claim you want deregulated capitalism and full neoliberalism. Or whatever we would call what the US has right now. The economy is doing great. But you got fucked. You don't own a house. You don't have a upper middle class job. You don't have stocks. You don't have a 401(k).
But even for the lower class people. Real disposable income is actually up. Not down. So even that makes no sense. And if you are worried about wealth distribution for this election, there is one guy whose only piece of legislation was to give a tax cut to corporations and the richest people. So that will be real easy. Maybe some American voters should for a change stop voting against their own economic interest come November 2024.
For context: These are both people you would expect to support him unconditionally.
It is literally two washed up failed UK politicians who probably 0.001% of the US voters ever heard about. They support Biden unconditionally? Why? They are no longer in politics and one is from Labour, the other a Tory. Trying to sell a podcast. People who support Biden unconditionally would be dr. Jill Biden and Kamala Harris.
If tomorrow Gavin Newsom and Obama come out and call for Biden to pull out, that's different.
As bad as this debate was for Biden, he isn't going to pull out. Even if the above two people come out and call on Biden to pull out, he won't. Biden isn't a quitter. He never quit before. He isn't going to quit now. The odds of Trump pulling out are way larger than Biden pulling out. Biden will stay in even if he polls 10 points below Trump AND Obama, Clinton, Newsom, or Schiff or Pelosi call for him to drop out. It's not gonna happen. That ship sailed the moment those people didn't enter the race to try to primary Biden.
Let's not forget that Trump was also horrible. Trump lost big time. Biden just lost more.
They have one of the most successful political podcasts, not just in the UK but in the US as well. They have massive numbers, and many contacts within both UK and US major parties for their insights. I don't think they are ever far off base much even if I disagree with some of their takes from time to time. Calling them washed up is wild, Rory could go back into Labour if he wanted to.
Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have.
Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
Except the US economy (and capitalism generally) is inextricable from the inequality. The best it can do is push the exploitation out of sight and hopefully out of mind.
The inequality is the economy. If you take away the inequality you destroy the global capitalist economy.
The myth of compassionate capitalism is just that, a myth to soothe the conscience of its wary supporters.
On June 29 2024 08:57 Conaing wrote: Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
Please explain what you think the economy is supposed to be because I honestly can’t really infer what you refer to when you’re referring to the economy
On June 29 2024 08:57 Conaing wrote: Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
In a previous episode he said he would love to join in a Labour or Tory government if it was related to a technocratic role.
On June 29 2024 08:57 Conaing wrote: Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
In a previous episode he said he would love to join in a Labour or Tory government if it was related to a technocratic role.
On June 29 2024 08:57 Conaing wrote: Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
In a previous episode he said he would love to join in a Labour or Tory government if it was related to a technocratic role.
Lots of people would like to be in government.
Right but the point is he is happy being more influential on the outside looking in. Im sort of a stan for Rory, I believe he is a dying breed of a "good politician". UK hasnt fully succumbed to the orgy of horror that the US is in right now. Their scandals actually still matter when brought to the publics attention.
On June 29 2024 08:57 Conaing wrote: Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
In a previous episode he said he would love to join in a Labour or Tory government if it was related to a technocratic role.
Lots of people would like to be in government.
Right but the point is he is happy being more influential on the outside looking in. Im sort of a stan for Rory, I believe he is a dying breed of a "good politician". UK hasnt fully succumbed to the orgy of horror that the US is in right now. Their scandals actually still matter when brought to the publics attention.
I’m really struggling to reconcile who you think this person is.
He’d love to be in the Labour cabinet but he’s not because he doesn’t want to right now because he’s more influential from the outside with his podcast and also he’s not in the Labour Party and not an MP and also failed in the Conservative Party which makes him the natural Biden supporter and therefore we should listen to his commentary?
why your dems are fucking Biden so hard?. i get that your progressives(socialists/communists) hate him, but still ... it seems fucked, it looks like dems main concern is aesthetics.
On June 30 2024 06:36 xM(Z wrote: why your dems are fucking Biden so hard?. i get that your progressives(socialists/communists) hate him, but still ... it seems fucked, it looks like dems main concern is aesthetics.
Because the “let’s not state the obvious because it will make Biden look bad” is the entire reason they are in this predicament in the first place.
On June 30 2024 06:36 xM(Z wrote: why your dems are fucking Biden so hard?. i get that your progressives(socialists/communists) hate him, but still ... it seems fucked, it looks like dems main concern is aesthetics.
Because the “let’s not state the obvious because it will make Biden look bad” is the entire reason they are in this predicament in the first place.
Biden opted not to run in 2016 for personal reasons and instead they ran Hillary who, despite being a competent and seasoned politician with a decent track record, lost to an old white game show host promising incoherent nonsense.
The lesson they took from that was that Biden's personal reasons were a mistake and that they needed to run the oldest whitest man they could find. And that actually worked out decently in 2020.
In 2024 the Republicans have come back with their own super old super incoherent white man, older and whiter than before. It would be folly for the Democrats to not use their very oldest white man.
On June 30 2024 06:36 xM(Z wrote: why your dems are fucking Biden so hard?. i get that your progressives(socialists/communists) hate him, but still ... it seems fucked, it looks like dems main concern is aesthetics.
Because the “let’s not state the obvious because it will make Biden look bad” is the entire reason they are in this predicament in the first place.
Biden opted not to run in 2016 for personal reasons and instead they ran Hillary who, despite being a competent and seasoned politician with a decent track record, lost to an old white game show host promising incoherent nonsense.
The lesson they took from that was that Biden's personal reasons were a mistake and that they needed to run the oldest whitest man they could find. And that actually worked out decently in 2020.
In 2024 the Republicans have come back with their own super old super incoherent white man, older and whiter than before. It would be folly for the Democrats to not use their very oldest white man.
The incredibly sad part is your not entirely wrong. If the Democrats were to run Kamala Harris they may well lose because she isn't an old white man...
On June 30 2024 06:36 xM(Z wrote: why your dems are fucking Biden so hard?. i get that your progressives(socialists/communists) hate him, but still ... it seems fucked, it looks like dems main concern is aesthetics.
Because the “let’s not state the obvious because it will make Biden look bad” is the entire reason they are in this predicament in the first place.
It's been bizarre to watch.
Biden calls for the debate in a desperate effort to boost his significantly worse poll numbers compared to this point in 2020. Now, since he flopped so hard, Democrats insist no one was actually supposed to be influenced by his performance at the debate he instigated specifically to influence them.
Democrats rejected Biden as a president 2x, he's not better than he was then, they just hated Bernie that much. They thought they were only signing on for 4 years but Biden is squatting on them for 8. Now they are just praying he doesn't start drawing with his own feces on the walls, because they'll support him still, and that's humiliating.
A lot of people in campaigns know that in order to counter his debate performance Biden is going to have to be put out in front of people more than he can handle and it'll end up making things worse. But they can't just keep him locked away like they got away with in 2020 because of Covid.
They want to spin it, but they can't get the post debate performance from Biden they need to do that, and Democrats don't need it. He could degenerate into a drooling mute husk of himself and still get their vote. There's some Democrats that know that's fine for Democrats/Biden supporters, but they also know Biden needs more than just Democrats to win. So they are panicking because they can see that ~2 months from now Biden's going to break down from the frenetic campaigning he needs to do, or will not be doing it and it'll be too late to fix.
He's up against Trump who could blow it at any given moment, but the writing is on the wall that this is now Trump's election to lose. Some of the people pushing for Biden to step down probably genuinely believe Trump will destroy democracy and want the party to start acting like it by stopping this nonsense of faux-obliviousness to what the whole world sees plain as day.
On June 30 2024 06:36 xM(Z wrote: why your dems are fucking Biden so hard?. i get that your progressives(socialists/communists) hate him, but still ... it seems fucked, it looks like dems main concern is aesthetics.
Because the “let’s not state the obvious because it will make Biden look bad” is the entire reason they are in this predicament in the first place.
Biden opted not to run in 2016 for personal reasons and instead they ran Hillary who, despite being a competent and seasoned politician with a decent track record, lost to an old white game show host promising incoherent nonsense.
The lesson they took from that was that Biden's personal reasons were a mistake and that they needed to run the oldest whitest man they could find. And that actually worked out decently in 2020.
In 2024 the Republicans have come back with their own super old super incoherent white man, older and whiter than before. It would be folly for the Democrats to not use their very oldest white man.
Let me see if I'm getting this right. The last Democrat President that was a white man was elected in 1992 and 1996. He was the 3rd youngest President ever. Then they won with a black man twice in 2008 and 2012. By the way, he was also one of the youngest Presidents ever. Then they lost one election and the correct conclusion they should draw is "we can only win with a very very old white man." Ok, sure.
Btw, Biden wasn't even their oldest white man in 2020. That would be Bernie Sanders.
On June 30 2024 06:36 xM(Z wrote: why your dems are fucking Biden so hard?. i get that your progressives(socialists/communists) hate him, but still ... it seems fucked, it looks like dems main concern is aesthetics.
Because the “let’s not state the obvious because it will make Biden look bad” is the entire reason they are in this predicament in the first place.
Biden opted not to run in 2016 for personal reasons and instead they ran Hillary who, despite being a competent and seasoned politician with a decent track record, lost to an old white game show host promising incoherent nonsense.
The lesson they took from that was that Biden's personal reasons were a mistake and that they needed to run the oldest whitest man they could find. And that actually worked out decently in 2020.
In 2024 the Republicans have come back with their own super old super incoherent white man, older and whiter than before. It would be folly for the Democrats to not use their very oldest white man.
Let me see if I'm getting this right. The last Democrat President that was a white man was elected in 1992 and 1996. He was the 3rd youngest President ever. Then they won with a black man twice in 2008 and 2012. By the way, he was also one of the youngest Presidents ever. Then they lost one election and the correct conclusion they should draw is "we can only win with a very very old white man." Ok, sure.
Btw, Biden wasn't even their oldest white man in 2020. That would be Bernie Sanders.
Bernie was their oldest whitest Jewish man. That's like a whole 4th thing.
On June 29 2024 08:57 Conaing wrote: Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
In a previous episode he said he would love to join in a Labour or Tory government if it was related to a technocratic role.
Lots of people would like to be in government.
Right but the point is he is happy being more influential on the outside looking in. Im sort of a stan for Rory, I believe he is a dying breed of a "good politician". UK hasnt fully succumbed to the orgy of horror that the US is in right now. Their scandals actually still matter when brought to the publics attention.
I’m really struggling to reconcile who you think this person is.
He’d love to be in the Labour cabinet but he’s not because he doesn’t want to right now because he’s more influential from the outside with his podcast and also he’s not in the Labour Party and not an MP and also failed in the Conservative Party which makes him the natural Biden supporter and therefore we should listen to his commentary?
Am I following correctly?
No one has given him the call, but he's in legacy mode. Rory has a goated career tbh, highly check out his work in the middle east.
The US offshoot pod is with Anthony Scaramucci & Katty Kay, also very insightful, although in Anthony's case you can defintiely tell he aint going back into politics beyond fundraising and media events
On June 29 2024 08:57 Conaing wrote: Rory Stewart is a Tory who ran against Boris Johnson and lost. He is like the Jeb Bush of UK politics. He can go back into Labour? You don't even know who he is, do you? Yeah, they do a great podcast. So does Gary Lineker. But he isn't going to carry England to the Euro 24 victory either. He is doing a podcast. Jeb Bush is also not going to replace Biden as the Democratic candidate, if that's your next point.
This would be as if Jeb Bush and John Edwards had a podcast together. And they asked Rishi Sunak to step down because he is gonna lose to Starmer. And nether Jeb Bush or Edwards ever talked to Sunak or anyone on their staff.
The economy is the economy. Yes, you fundamentally misunderstand. The economy itself is not your own wallet after all your fixed charges. What you are saying is that the supermarket doesn't have enough toilet paper. Because you forgot to buy toilet paper. But actually the supermarket has a ton of toilet paper. It is just you that doesn't have it. So the problem is not to get more toilet paper to the supermarket. Same with the economy. The economy is doing great. It just doesn't benefit everyone the same way. Which in the US has always been true. And which has been a cornerstone of one of the two parties. Remember Reagan's welfare nanny? Remember trickle down economics. Making the economy grow more isn't going to solve any legitimate problems some US voters will have. Yes, inequality is an economic issue. But it isn't 'the economy'.
In a previous episode he said he would love to join in a Labour or Tory government if it was related to a technocratic role.
Lots of people would like to be in government.
Right but the point is he is happy being more influential on the outside looking in. Im sort of a stan for Rory, I believe he is a dying breed of a "good politician". UK hasnt fully succumbed to the orgy of horror that the US is in right now. Their scandals actually still matter when brought to the publics attention.
I’m really struggling to reconcile who you think this person is.
He’d love to be in the Labour cabinet but he’s not because he doesn’t want to right now because he’s more influential from the outside with his podcast and also he’s not in the Labour Party and not an MP and also failed in the Conservative Party which makes him the natural Biden supporter and therefore we should listen to his commentary?
Am I following correctly?
No one has given him the call, but he's in legacy mode. Rory has a goated career tbh, highly check out his work in the middle east.
The US offshoot pod is with Anthony Scaramucci & Katty Kay, also very insightful, although in Anthony's case you can defintiely tell he aint going back into politics beyond fundraising and media events
Are you saying that if Starmer called him to be in his cabinet he’d be a minister in the next government?
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