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On July 06 2018 19:43 Plansix wrote:
The details of our tax payer funded child abuse campaign are slowly coming to light. We have so little information, one of these kids could have died and we would never know. And it has come to light that immigrants who enlisted in the military because of the promise of citizenship are being quitely discharged and possibly deported.
Remember though, tax dollars cannot go towards funding abortion. That violates religious freedom for some people. Mass child abuse is cool though.
And remember that the alternative to this child abuse is allowing parents to acquire jobs in this country. And that's simply unacceptable.
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And here we go, we all know where this is going. First it is investigating suspicious naturalization cases. I guarantee you it will involve into political ideology questions. Why were you at this protest, did you know your father had a criminal charge against him in the 70's and so on. Red Scare x10.
In June, the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services quietly announced a new task force that will investigate “bad” naturalization cases, wherein the agency will hire dozens of lawyers and immigration officers “to find U.S. citizens they say should not have been naturalized, to revoke their citizenship, and then eventually deport them,” according to The Takeaway, from WNYC and Public Radio International.
CNN reports that that the new office in Southern California will review cases and then refer them to the Justice Department, which will then pursue denaturalization proceedings against U.S. citizens accused of fraud.
In an interview with the Associated Press, USCIS Director L. Francis Cissna said the number of cases could reach into the thousands—this in a nation of about 325 million.
“We finally have a process in place to get to the bottom of all these bad cases and start denaturalizing people who should not have been naturalized in the first place,” Cissna said. “What we’re looking at, when you boil it all down, is potentially a few thousand cases.”
CNN reports:
Since the Obama administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has also been working to put more than 300,000 fingerprint records into a system that can be checked against citizenship applications.
According to USCIS, the effort to followup on those records has resulted in 2,500 cases that have been flagged for in-depth review, and 95 of those have been referred to the Justice Department to date.
A former chief counsel for USCIS, Ur Jaddou, now a director at the pro-immigration advocacy group America’s Voice, said it was “troubling” that the Trump administration was looking at what has been an ongoing issue.
Source
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The denaturalization investigation is going to be governed by Calvin ball rules too. And as transparent as concrete.
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So you can just take away citizenship? That intuitively seems unconstitutional to me. Does anyone know?
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On July 06 2018 20:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:And here we go, we all know where this is going. First it is investigating suspicious naturalization cases. I guarantee you it will involve into political ideology questions. Why were you at this protest, did you know your father had a criminal charge against him in the 70's and so on. Red Scare x10. Show nested quote +In June, the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services quietly announced a new task force that will investigate “bad” naturalization cases, wherein the agency will hire dozens of lawyers and immigration officers “to find U.S. citizens they say should not have been naturalized, to revoke their citizenship, and then eventually deport them,” according to The Takeaway, from WNYC and Public Radio International.
CNN reports that that the new office in Southern California will review cases and then refer them to the Justice Department, which will then pursue denaturalization proceedings against U.S. citizens accused of fraud.
In an interview with the Associated Press, USCIS Director L. Francis Cissna said the number of cases could reach into the thousands—this in a nation of about 325 million.
“We finally have a process in place to get to the bottom of all these bad cases and start denaturalizing people who should not have been naturalized in the first place,” Cissna said. “What we’re looking at, when you boil it all down, is potentially a few thousand cases.”
CNN reports:
Since the Obama administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has also been working to put more than 300,000 fingerprint records into a system that can be checked against citizenship applications.
According to USCIS, the effort to followup on those records has resulted in 2,500 cases that have been flagged for in-depth review, and 95 of those have been referred to the Justice Department to date.
A former chief counsel for USCIS, Ur Jaddou, now a director at the pro-immigration advocacy group America’s Voice, said it was “troubling” that the Trump administration was looking at what has been an ongoing issue. Source
Well I for one can't possibly see this going wrong. It's not like the systems in place are creaking while dealing with the new cases already.
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On July 06 2018 21:31 Grumbels wrote:
So you can just take away citizenship? That intuitively seems unconstitutional to me. Does anyone know?
The process only applies to naturalized citizens and even then, it has been reserved for unique cases in which someone came to the states via eligibility declarations that turned out fraudulent. It's been used to denaturalize war criminals from the Balkans, for example.
With this denaturalization task force, though, that looks to change.
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On July 06 2018 21:31 Grumbels wrote:
So you can just take away citizenship? That intuitively seems unconstitutional to me. Does anyone know?
Yes. But it is very hard and there is not a lot of reasons to do it. When we are not on some sort of Red Scare non-sense, it was reserved for the worst of the worst, like Nazi war criminals. And it is done when we can't punish them some other way, because they are in hiding.
The only hopeful part about all of this is they need to convince a judge to take away citizenship. And there are not going to be that many that are willing to pull that trigger over some minor error.
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Rest assured that if/when this investigation doesn't immediately turn up results showing evil immigrants it will quietly vanish into the night after grifting wasting money a la the voter fraud investigators, but will later be cited as evidence we need to do something about evil immigrants.
One of the only times we benefit from this adminsitration's abject incompetence is when they bite off more than they can chew as a result of their utter lack of understanding of how data analysis works, provided the bite doesn't fuck up people's lives instantly like the zero-tolerance policy.
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lol! slavery is making a resurgence! fuck where the hell have i been.
it’s far too early to hear the stupidest thing i’ll hear today. but i guess at least it’s over. omg and it’s the cake baker forced to make gay cakes that are the presumed slaves. that’s a hot take. or sorry, the topic du jour of conservative persecution is CPC’s. yea no surprise there.
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On July 06 2018 22:06 brian wrote:
lol! slavery is making a resurgence! fuck where the hell have i been.
it’s far too early to hear the stupidest thing i’ll hear today. but i guess at least it’s over. omg and it’s the cake baker forced to make gay cakes that are the presumed slaves. that’s a hot take.
But forcing a woman to have a child because there is no way to get a legal abortion somehow isn’t the same.
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On July 06 2018 15:01 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2018 14:43 NewSunshine wrote:On July 06 2018 14:21 Danglars wrote:On July 06 2018 14:11 NewSunshine wrote:On July 06 2018 13:36 Danglars wrote:On July 06 2018 13:12 micronesia wrote:
Garland isn’t a choice? Just an other? It's a very troll maneuver by Schumer, so it is my decision to be an 'other.' Conservatives are very recognizant of all the liberals (media and politicians) that basically asserted a Garland justice instead of a Gorsuch justice would've kept public unions intact (and free speech suppressed), forced advertisement of abortion services in crisis pregnancy centers, and judicial interference in Presidential powers over immigration. Trump's advisers know how important Supreme Court picks are to the ongoing culture wars with respect to legislating from the bench and overturning civil rights. The Senate Republicans have thus far made no overtures to Garland as a serious prospect. It's basically a pipe dream of Schumer, and he's trolled us all. Ah yes, the horrible act of making a service provider actually provide details as to the services they provide, and what they don't. Not to mention the rather revealing usage of "civil rights". But hey, we've had this dance before. Yep. I can imagine the roles reversed, where a culturally dominant pro-life movement made Planned Parenthood post "YOU DON'T HAVE TO KILL YOUR CHILD. THERE IS A SUBSIDIZED SAFE LABOR & DELIVERY CLINIC AROUND THE CORNER" 48pt font, plus every billboard advertising their services. Hell, throw in a "This abortion clinic does not pass standards for medical facilities" for good measure. It's just that the left finds itself in a rather culturally dominant position on the issue (in some states) and wants to compel policies. It's both short-sighted and overconfident. It also misdiagnoses why Trump won. If I was to say one big thing of our disagreements, it's that we really diverge on the very basic stuff on rights and generalizations. If your point is that we diverge on whether it's right that someone should have to say what's in the food they make, then you're right. I don't think places like CPC's should be able to deceive women into taking a harmful course of action for their lives, and I think they should be transparent about what they do and don't offer. That's just basic stuff that applies to nearly every other industry. The consumer should be at least somewhat informed. I don't think saying "but my civil rights" gives you carte blanche to prey on people who are already desperate. And if you think our difference of opinion constitutes a shortcoming on my part, just go ahead and say it. It'd be refreshingly forthcoming of you. Yes we do disagree on the basics. A can of soup's nutrition info is not equivalent to forcing you to advertise for the restaurant next door. You're perfectly able to embark on a campaign to inform people that these dangerous crisis pregnancy centers won't perform abortions for you. Have at it! You just can't force the nonprofits to be unwilling participants in your side of the debate. Well, apparently some people think you can force them ... but slavery is kind of having a second revival for certain groups. It's just basic stuff, as you say. And people count on pretend moderates like Garland to vote with them, kinda proving that moderates are nothing but a political play.
Pro-life movements force physicians in several states to be unwilling participants in their side of the debate.
Several states (mostly in the south) force physicians to tell patients that want an abortion that it increases their risk of cancer, that the baby can feel pain, etc. etc. etc. Pretty much all of these statements are either factually incorrect or have little scientific evidence behind them.
I have never once seen you call for these laws to be struck down.
I would tell you that you need to check your hypocrisy, but the idea of you having any intellectual integrity is laughable at this point, so it's not even worth it.
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Btw in more #MAGA(my attorney got arrested) news, Cohen not only removed Trumps name from his twitter bio and cut off ties with Trumps attorneys, he just hired Lanny Davis to represent him. Davis not only was Bill Clinton's lawyer, he wrote a book about the illegitimacy of Trumps 2016 victory. Not exactly the pick you make if you are staying loyal to Trump.
Coupled with the recent news that he is acting in the best interest of his family and country (same thing Flynn said before flipping), and reports that he doesn't believe Trump will pardon him, I dont think it is long before he flips.
Ofc, it is likely irrelevant since he kept records of apparently everything, which Mueller now has. Still, no doubt he could bury Trump 100x over if he wants.
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I’ve been reading that the investigation is focusing on money that was donated to the Trump Inauguration commission, which raised more than Obama but hired like 1/3 of the staff. A good amount of that money was donated groups with connections to Russia oligarchs, who attended a closed door party after the inauguration. There is no reporting where the rest inauguration of the money went. Given the number of attorneys that are experts in money laundering cases that are on the investigation, it sounds like is where the investigation is going.
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Here's the article for those who didn't see it. The amount of Russian influence and money surrounding not just the campaign but also the inauguration should give anyone cause for concern. Even the biggest Trump shills.
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Wow, it certainly is suspicious that that someone whose buildings are bought by Russian oligarchs, and speaks positively about Russia himself, also gets money from people who have financial interests in Russia. I wonder what the connection is there...
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That he is deeply beholden to Russian interests to protect his own interests. Which is fine so long as you are not the American President or a member of Congress.
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On July 06 2018 22:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Btw in more #MAGA(my attorney got arrested) news, Cohen not only removed Trumps name from his twitter bio and cut off ties with Trumps attorneys, he just hired Lanny Davis to represent him. Davis not only was Bill Clinton's lawyer, he wrote a book about the illegitimacy of Trumps 2016 victory. Not exactly the pick you make if you are staying loyal to Trump.
Coupled with the recent news that he is acting in the best interest of his family and country (same thing Flynn said before flipping), and reports that he doesn't believe Trump will pardon him, I dont think it is long before he flips.
Ofc, it is likely irrelevant since he kept records of apparently everything, which Mueller now has. Still, no doubt he could bury Trump 100x over if he wants.
looks like i need to re-read Cohens statements of late and actually try to believe them. I’m still a little skeptical.
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On July 06 2018 22:53 a_flayer wrote:
Wow, it certainly is suspicious that that someone whose buildings are bought by Russian oligarchs, and speaks positively about Russia himself, also gets money from people who have financial interests in Russia. I wonder what the connection is there...
Flayer, I for one find your aspersions to be loony conspiracy talk and will not have it on this forum. All I see here is a massive chain of coincidences stretching back a decade or two, and really, who hasn't had conspi-I mean coincidences like that in their lives? This biased propaganda against the yugely innocent USA President - who is unjustly saddled with these coincidences which are not suspicious because that's how coincidences work - is divisive rhetoric at its finest and by the way liberals and especially Obama are behind all of it, and why aren't we talking about how Obama warred on Christmas and tried to destroy American life/all life on earth?
I think we know who the real villain is, here, Flayer. Plansix. They're the real villain here. Not one thing you said there doesn't apply to Plansix, who coincidentally pipes up about this Russia stuff constantly, almost as if they've got inside information. It's not a coincidence with them though. They're totally guilty.
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On July 06 2018 22:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Btw in more #MAGA(my attorney got arrested) news, Cohen not only removed Trumps name from his twitter bio and cut off ties with Trumps attorneys, he just hired Lanny Davis to represent him. Davis not only was Bill Clinton's lawyer, he wrote a book about the illegitimacy of Trumps 2016 victory. Not exactly the pick you make if you are staying loyal to Trump.
Coupled with the recent news that he is acting in the best interest of his family and country (same thing Flynn said before flipping), and reports that he doesn't believe Trump will pardon him, I dont think it is long before he flips.
Ofc, it is likely irrelevant since he kept records of apparently everything, which Mueller now has. Still, no doubt he could bury Trump 100x over if he wants.
It does seem like he is likely to flip unless he gets bailed out (maybe just by having his legal fees paid). All the signs point that way.
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Plead guilty to following Nina Totenberg and Carrie Johnson on twitter and sometimes reading the articles they direct me too.
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