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Sermokala
United States13815 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44046 Posts
On October 20 2023 00:19 JimmiC wrote: Sydney Powel has pleaded guilty, probation, write a letter apologizing to Georgians for all the lies and agreed to testify against her co defendants. If only that would change the minds of the people who believe all the bullshit. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/sidney-powell-pleads-guilty-deal-141257476.html Any chance one of those co-defendants is Trump? Or Giuliani? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On October 20 2023 01:39 JimmiC wrote: The way I read it she has agreed to testify against all the co-defendants them included. From maybe the hardest core denier and conspiracy spreader to 2nd plea deal and cooperator. Quite a turn, might mean we see a lot more people flip. Chesebro was offered a comparable deal (I think he had less time probation but otherwise pretty much identical) that he turned down prior to this deal becoming public knowledge so it's possible this influences him to take a plea deal if there's still an offer on the table | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22990 Posts
On October 20 2023 01:23 Sermokala wrote: No vote today, It looks like the gop is going to go with trying to empower McHenry. Tried and failed. | ||
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brian
United States9616 Posts
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KwarK
United States42252 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21516 Posts
On October 20 2023 04:53 KwarK wrote: Yeah but I don't think you can run as a representative of a party in the UK without the consent of that party. While in the US the parties laughably have very little control over who runs under their name.This’d be easier for y’all if you had party leaders like in a proper parliamentary system. And if you ejected people for not following the whip when it counts. So aside from funding, ejecting someone from the party doesn't actually do anything. | ||
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KwarK
United States42252 Posts
But surely you can’t claim to be a representative of a party without the party’s consent. If you’re kicked out and then they run an official election campaign with some other guy for your seat then he’s the party candidate. You’d likely both lose by splitting the vote but sometimes a party has to blow things up to get the whip taken seriously. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21516 Posts
On October 20 2023 05:06 KwarK wrote: But isn't that exactly what happened with Trump.People who are genuinely popular with their constituents can, in theory, run as an independent who generally votes with the party. And if they were willing to split the vote and torpedo the party then they could run as a de facto party member. I think Bernie Sanders does this, and the Democrats let him because they don’t think it’ll end well if they run against him. But surely you can’t claim to be a representative of a party without the party’s consent. If you’re kicked out and then they run an official election campaign with some other guy for your seat then he’s the party candidate. You’d likely both lose by splitting the vote but sometimes a party has to blow things up to get the whip taken seriously. The GOP didn't want him, but he won the primary despite the GOP opposing him and they were then, by their own rules, forced to accept him as their candidate. | ||
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KwarK
United States42252 Posts
On October 20 2023 05:19 Gorsameth wrote: But isn't that exactly what happened with Trump. The GOP didn't want him, but he won the primary despite the GOP opposing him and they were then, by their own rules, forced to accept him as their candidate. The party doesn’t oppose Trump in that example because he couped the party. The official party, under his new leadership, was extremely pro Trump. But we’re not talking about the overall party leadership, we’re talking about constituency races. Winning one of those doesn’t make you in charge of the party. Even if you were the only person the local party members wanted the national party could still eject the entire local party. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21516 Posts
On October 20 2023 05:32 KwarK wrote: But that gets to the heart of why the GOP doesn't kick members. Because given the choice between running a candidate they themselves don't want and not running a candidate at all they will always chose the option that gets them more power. And a party member they don't want is better then a Democrat getting the seat.The party doesn’t oppose Trump in that example because he couped the party. The official party, under his new leadership, was extremely pro Trump. But we’re not talking about the overall party leadership, we’re talking about constituency races. Winning one of those doesn’t make you in charge of the party. Even if you were the only person the local party members wanted the national party could still eject the entire local party. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13815 Posts
Something is wrong with McCarthy's hair. It's like the left side is spiked for some reason. He looks so much older than the start of the year. Mentions isreal in passing but not Ukraine at all smh. 212 is a New York area code and more 212 talk. Hanging the desire to cut social security on the reps and hungry children. Dems are generally a lot better organized on the cheerleader sections. They have a bipartisan plan to open the house take yes for an answer. The gop is threatening it's members instead of engaging in bipartisanship. I mean is anyone going to argue that the dems have better speeches? They're much tighter and they've got the group elements down well. I think that it's disgusting we've got scoreboards for these events but damm it's fun. Bacon for McHenry I'm pretty sure the magic number is 4 still. One went to isreal so its 3 now. Buchanan voted for Donald not trump and buck for emmer we are up to 3 before getting out of the b's That's it jim Jordan loses the vote again. Jordan at 21 now on the verge of getting worse. Up to 24 now that rumored torture campaign to slowly reduce support over time is real. I wonder if they're going to recess for the weekend or not now. They'll have another fammous conference coming up and we'll see what happenes from there. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On October 20 2023 03:22 StasisField wrote: Chesebro was offered a comparable deal (I think he had less time probation but otherwise pretty much identical) that he turned down prior to this deal becoming public knowledge so it's possible this influences him to take a plea deal if there's still an offer on the table Aaaand Chesebro has now accepted a plea deal. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-chesebro-plea-deal-georgia-trial-rcna121387 | ||
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Sermokala
United States13815 Posts
Jimmys gone though. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21516 Posts
On October 21 2023 03:46 Sermokala wrote: 4 weeks until government shutdown.I'm incensed. No more votes today. recess until monday Vote earliest at this point is on Tuesday. McCarthy at least ran 3 votes a day and now they can't even pull a vote a day average. no need to rush /s | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15467 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21516 Posts
On October 21 2023 05:08 Mohdoo wrote: I don't see a world in which the Supreme Court rules that direct attacks on and threats to the judiciary (aka themselves) and witnesses fall under protected speech.I’d like to restate my prediction: Trump is trying to get imprisoned from his gag order because he wants the Supreme Court to decide he was operating as a political candidate and that his speech is protected by the 1st amendment. He will then use that ruling to say all of his legal cases against him are an extension of that ruling and that is how he plans to escape without any consequences The likely reality is simply that he is a colossal narcissistic moron that has been protected from consequences his entire life and has finally ran into a big enough mess that he (hopefully) can't buy his way out of. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15467 Posts
On October 21 2023 05:14 Gorsameth wrote: I don't see a world in which the Supreme Court rules that direct attacks on and threats to the judiciary (aka themselves) and witnesses fall under protected speech. The likely reality is simply that he is a colossal narcissistic moron that has been protected from consequences his entire life and has finally ran into a big enough mess that he (hopefully) can't buy his way out of. The supreme court is not the judiciary. They operate as a power to define which things the judiciary did right and which things they did wrong. And even beyond that, they clearly identify as philosopher kings. We have a wealth of examples showing the supreme court considers themselves truly supreme, in all ways. | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
I’m not sure what you mean by drawing some sort of distinction between SCOTUS and the federal judiciary, Mohdoo, but there’s not really any doubt that SCOTUS is the headpiece of the judiciary and is very much a part of it. | ||
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