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Sadist
United States7215 Posts
On August 28 2023 03:01 Gorsameth wrote: The GOP is not going back to normal without Trump, The cat is out of the bag, the crazies are in control and they are simply fighting each other for who can be more crazy. Agreed. For a look into the future of the GOP look at the batshit crazies in charge of Michigan's GOP. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States42491 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21618 Posts
On August 28 2023 09:54 JimmiC wrote: A page or 2 ago we have Introvert saying how all the cases are politically motivated.I just am waiting for when basic things stop working. It seems like that is already happening, but I think the supporters will just blame the scapegoat no matter what so I do not think it matters. There is currently ZERO accountability in the Republican Party, it’s always the “them”. On a side note even if you are OK with Trumps actions are you not embarrassed that he did all so stupidly that there are recorded phone calls and mountains of evidence. So not only did he epically fail at over turning the election, but he all on his own got himself and all his buddies arrested. He’s not a competent leader even if you are down with whatever you call his ideology. Their not embarrassed by the mountains of evidence because they conveniently deny its existence. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5594 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44141 Posts
On August 28 2023 20:28 Elroi wrote: Go back and take a look Gorsameth, I only think Introvert said that the first case was politically motivated (the Stormy Daniels case). In that specific one, I think he's right. Nope, just that one case was even more partisan than the other partisan cases. He wrote: On August 27 2023 06:00 Introvert wrote: I think there are so many indictments, and are at base political (even the more serious ones) that I think it's a lot to ask for voters to try and understand everything happening in each case. Bragg's absurdly partisan one being the kickoff I think tainted the rest. He said that so many indictments were politically motivated, and that Bragg's happened to be absurdly partisan. (If Introvert walked back this claim that many indictments were politically motivated, in a later post, I honestly missed it.) | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21618 Posts
On August 28 2023 20:28 Elroi wrote: Go back and take a look Gorsameth, I only think Introvert said that the first case was politically motivated (the Stormy Daniels case). In that specific one, I think he's right. On August 27 2023 06:00 Introvert wrote: I do read that to say that all the indictments are political. Tho he does atleast acknowledge some are serious.I think there are so many indictments, and are at base political (even the more serious ones) that I think it's a lot to ask for voters to try and understand everything happening in each case. Bragg's absurdly partisan one being the kickoff I think tainted the rest. Maybe GOP voters will become exhausted, but I think the better way to beat him in the primary is argue that Trump has the worst chance to win the GE, and so to beat Biden we need someone else. I think that's going to be a stronger argument than the seriousness of the legal issues per se. If it Trump in the general I think he'd get most republicans anyways, Biden really sucks and esp if his marked deterioration continues most GOP voters will vote for Trump. The independents is where Trump will get slaughtered, and he'll drive Dem turnout skyhigh. But that's all just my opinion. As for the Stormy case in particular. I don't think that is only being brought up because its Trump, or because he is a Republican. I am sure plenty of politicians have payed hush money to hide a skeleton while they run for campaign but most are not quite so inept or penny pinching as Trump. He is getting charged because he was stupid about it. If a democrat was as dumb about it and got caught they would be getting charged aswell. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23120 Posts
projects.fivethirtyeight.com For context, the same polling firm had Biden up 8 points at this point of the race in 2019. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uEnh7v6.jpg) That's a 10 point swing in favor of Trump amid the "worst" news for him to date. I know Democrats insist this/Biden is the best they can do, but it's increasingly looking like that won't be good enough. | ||
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KwarK
United States42491 Posts
On August 29 2023 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote: First poll since the mugshot is out and Trump is up 2 points (5 if you include Cornel West) on Biden. projects.fivethirtyeight.com For context, the same polling firm had Biden up 8 points at this point of the race in 2019. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://web.archive.org/web/20190924013339im_/http://emersonpolling.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/47/2019/08/augustheadtohead.png) That's a 10 point swing in favor of Trump amid the "worst" news for him to date. I know Democrats insist this/Biden is the best they can do, but it's increasingly looking like that won't be good enough. That’s America’s fault. | ||
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oBlade
United States5503 Posts
On August 27 2023 23:35 WombaT wrote: Indeed, so much can happen in 4 years and it feels like waiting is a dangerous game if you fervently wish to be President. I mean if I time travelled back to 2012 and told prospective candidates who were holding out for 2016 or beyond that Donald Trump would become President and the GOP would be reformed as a borderline cult of personality where loyalty to that individual and where they’d shifted the party trumped (pun intended) other considerations, and if they want in they need to run now. I don’t think they’d believe me, even if I otherwise irrefutably demonstrated evidence of my time-travelling being legit If you went to 2012 and told Republicans Trump would become president, they would wisely embrace an America first platform that much sooner and get rid of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to make things unambiguous. If you simply told the GOP he was to be their nominee, the RNC would institute a system of super-delegates to prevent it. If on the other hand you told them Hillary lost to Trump, the DNC would remove its system of superdelegates and precipitate a Bernie Sanders vs. Ted Cruz election. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23120 Posts
And the whole planet's problem. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15597 Posts
On August 29 2023 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote: First poll since the mugshot is out and Trump is up 2 points (5 if you include Cornel West) on Biden. projects.fivethirtyeight.com For context, the same polling firm had Biden up 8 points at this point of the race in 2019. + Show Spoiler + That's a 10 point swing in favor of Trump amid the "worst" news for him to date. I know Democrats insist this/Biden is the best they can do, but it's increasingly looking like that won't be good enough. Republicans love the idea of conflict with institutions because it gives them a knee jerk feeling of being powerful. Trump being indicted only makes them more compelled to identify with him. Factor in people blaming Biden for global inflation and there ya go. I haven't found anyone who would change their mind from voting for Trump even if he is convicted of crimes. Its all essentially a mental health crisis among rural men. Its no different than Andrew Tate stuff. 2024 will be a battle between "independents" (conservatives who try to squirm out of the label for the sake of participating in bad faith discussions) balancing blaming Biden for the economy with "Trump is a convicted criminal", and there is no way to predict how their deficient little minds will tackle the dilemma. | ||
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Introvert
United States4721 Posts
On August 28 2023 20:42 Gorsameth wrote: I do read that to say that all the indictments are political. Tho he does atleast acknowledge some are serious. As for the Stormy case in particular. I don't think that is only being brought up because its Trump, or because he is a Republican. I am sure plenty of politicians have payed hush money to hide a skeleton while they run for campaign but most are not quite so inept or penny pinching as Trump. He is getting charged because he was stupid about it. If a democrat was as dumb about it and got caught they would be getting charged aswell. More or less, yes. There is clearly wrongdoing (legality tbd) on the documents one, the others are politcal lawfare ranging from the novel and unwise to the rediculous. To say nothing about the way these prosecutors are going about it | ||
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KwarK
United States42491 Posts
On August 29 2023 04:02 Introvert wrote: More or less, yes. There is clearly wrongdoing (legality tbd) on the documents one, the others are politcal lawfare ranging from the novel and unwise to the rediculous. To say nothing about the way these prosecutors are going about it He threatened to jail the Georgia Secretary of State unless the guy fabricated votes for him to steal the election. I think you're going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they're brand new and they don't have a seal and there's the whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt. And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5535 Posts
On August 29 2023 04:02 Introvert wrote: More or less, yes. There is clearly wrongdoing (legality tbd) on the documents one, the others are politcal lawfare ranging from the novel and unwise to the rediculous. To say nothing about the way these prosecutors are going about it Ah, yes, trying to rig the elections is, apparently, no big deal. lol | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28630 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On August 29 2023 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote: First poll since the mugshot is out and Trump is up 2 points (5 if you include Cornel West) on Biden. projects.fivethirtyeight.com For context, the same polling firm had Biden up 8 points at this point of the race in 2019. + Show Spoiler + That's a 10 point swing in favor of Trump amid the "worst" news for him to date. I know Democrats insist this/Biden is the best they can do, but it's increasingly looking like that won't be good enough. Yup and the 2022 midterm polls claimed we were gonna see a massive red wave. And 2016 polls said Hillary was gonna win in a landslide. Since we apparently trust these consistently wrong national polls more than a year out from election day, here's some more interesting polling data that I think does a much better job of indicating who would win head-to-head: 53% of voters say they definitely won't vote for Trump compared to 43% for Biden. And the definitely support/won't support lines for a candidate don't tend to move much as time passes. When over half the country has already decided you're not getting their vote, your chances of winning are pretty slim. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
Oh so you'll be voting for Biden then? Since you recognize the Fascist GOP winning is the whole world's problem, I'm sure you'll do the bare minimum and vote to prevent it on Election Day and not be another leftist with worse political instincts than the literal Nazis who took over the GOP by voting to keep the GOP in power while also electing more of their own candidates to the party over time. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15597 Posts
On August 29 2023 04:40 StasisField wrote: Oh so you'll be voting for Biden then? Since you recognize the Fascist GOP winning is the whole world's problem, I'm sure you'll do the bare minimum and vote to prevent it on Election Day and not be another leftist with worse political instincts than the literal Nazis who took over the GOP by voting to keep the GOP in power while also electing more of their own candidates to the party over time. Ehhh, folks like me and GH have an easy pass in this regard because our entire cities could choose not to vote and Biden would still win (Washington and Oregon). Protest votes to signal dissatisfaction with corporate dems when you live in a safe-blue state is the correct thing to do IMO. | ||
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