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On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes.
I can't believe I find myself agreeing with GreenHorizon.
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Your actually bitching about Joe Biden not presecuting his own son? Hunter Biden seems to be a scumbag/troubled individual but seriously, what do you want from Biden? Go after his own son? Because his political opponents won't stop bitching about his son being a mess?
And why is no one else seriously doing this? Afaik you can go after criminals whiteout the presidents permission. This is also not a thing unique to Biden, friggin Joe Rogan is smoking weed on his Podcast in front of millions near daily while sitting in Austin Texas being buddies with leading politicians in the state. Y'all about to swat him?
Gulliani/The GOP/right wing media had the data from the notebook since ages, why the fuck didn't they do anything more with it than seed more conspiracy if the evidence on it is so damning? I mean, Tucker even "lost" it...
Meanwhile the last GOP-President had his sons, daughters and so on actively work in his administration, despite being not qualified for the job and very obviously profiteering very directly from their posts.
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On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. If I remember my timeline correctly the laptop and its supposed contents come out before the election, while Trump was President. Giuliani had the info.
Not even the Republicans did anything with it. That should tell you all you need to know about how damaging it actually is.
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On January 05 2023 18:55 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. If I remember my timeline correctly the laptop and its supposed contents come out before the election, while Trump was President. Giuliani had the info. Not even the Republicans did anything with it. That should tell you all you need to know about how damaging it actually is.
I'm also puzzled as to why Hunter Biden promising someone that he'll hook up that someone with Joe Biden (assuming that The Big Guy is Joe Biden) means that Joe Biden was knowledgeable of - or complicit in - that deal. Hunter could have easily been flexing his last name / sounding like he has an "in" without Joe's permission.
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On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes.
That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired.
Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail".
He's not committed these crimes with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them.
You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information?
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On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine?
Isn't the burden of proof with the side asserting that they have genuine laptop evidence of whatever bad thing Joe Biden is supposedly guilty of? I feel like the default position here is skepticism until actual proof is provided.
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On January 05 2023 23:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? Isn't the burden of proof with the side asserting that they have genuine laptop evidence of whatever bad thing Joe Biden is supposedly guilty of? I feel like the default position here is skepticism until actual proof is provided.
Why bother with proof when you have something much better?:
A Xel'naga Artifact laptop usable for fueling any conspiracy theory about the Bidens for many years! "But but ... Hunter's laptop😂"
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On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired. Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail". He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them. You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information?
A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient.
Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact.
I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth.
Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery.
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On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired. Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail". He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them. You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery.
But the answer isn't as simple as that. I can't give an honest answer if I don't have all the information, and the information isn't public yet. You should be asking why rudy won't release the laptop image that they have and give a signed legal document saying how they got it.
What documented fact do you have for his "Legal impunity"?
People do belive that if its bribery he should be punished for it. No one is supporting hunter biden in this. Everyone I've seen has said that he should be investigated and if he has committed a crime he should go to jail for it. They also say that any bribery given to a child of the president or any family member of the president should also be investigated and if they committed a crime they should go to jail for it. Can you tell who I am subtly referring to in this.
The answer is the Trump family I know I'm sorry for spoiling it but you can't act so indigitated about hunter biden when the trump family has done way worse with way less attention and has done it from inside the white house with a security clearence.
I can't like explain this any more simple. I agree, and I think I can speak for others here, that what has been released from this laptop image does look like hunter biden took bribes and traded on his last name. That is not what people are saying that the story makes you look bad for repeating and supporting.
You need to admit that the information isn't admissible and is not credible for any legal realm of discussion. What Joe biden did or did not know is not known but believing a conspiracy theory with no facts, that was started by rudy guliani, is pretty dumb. At this point there is no evidence that Joe biden knew anything and the fact that Hunter is a drug addict without his shit togeather doesn't give much credibility to this being a carefully orchestrated corruption scheme like sending your child to saudi arabia for billions of dollars or your daughter to china to get patents that are not granted to us citizens normaly.
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On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired. Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail". He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them. You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery.
Does any of that even really involve the laptop? We knew Hunter was an addict, and we knew he took some high-paid consulting-type jobs that he surely only got because of his last name. I’m not gonna look up Biden’s history on drug enforcement policy right now (I’ll take your word for it that it’s terrible) but sans laptop you could still indict him for hypocrisy if he favored mandatory minimums for the masses, but rehab and recovery for his son.
Frankly the laptop has always seemed a lot like the Podesta emails stuff. It’s this whole JJ Abrams game of “look at this super secret box, don’t you think there’s probably some dark fucked-up stuff inside?” but the actual contents are pretty disappointing. One difference is, I can still name a couple things from the 2016 email hacks that *really were* pretty bad, but I haven’t even heard *allegations* from the laptop that seemed all that meaningful. IIRC there’s alleged evidence that Biden knew about Hunter’s consulting jobs, they were explicitly given to him as bribes, and Biden even demanded 10% of his son’s income. But what were these jobs, $500,000/year? That’s great money for a guy fresh out of rehab but it’s not much for bribe money in Washington DC, especially if you’re only taking 10%. Didn’t the Saudis just give Jared Kushner like $1billion or something?
I guess my point is, I don’t think the subterfuge and innuendo of the laptop story are buying you anything here. Right-wingers mostly yell about it more for the fact it was *censored* than they do for the actual contents, and everything you’re complaining about here was public information already, no?
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On January 06 2023 01:41 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired. Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail". He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them. You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery. Does any of that even really involve the laptop? We knew Hunter was an addict, and we knew he took some high-paid consulting-type jobs that he surely only got because of his last name. I’m not gonna look up Biden’s history on drug enforcement policy right now (I’ll take your word for it that it’s terrible) but sans laptop you could still indict him for hypocrisy if he favored mandatory minimums for the masses, but rehab and recovery for his son. Frankly the laptop has always seemed a lot like the Podesta emails stuff. It’s this whole JJ Abrams game of “look at this super secret box, don’t you think there’s probably some dark fucked-up stuff inside?” but the actual contents are pretty disappointing. One difference is, I can still name a couple things from the 2016 email hacks that *really were* pretty bad, but I haven’t even heard *allegations* from the laptop that seemed all that meaningful. IIRC there’s alleged evidence that Biden knew about Hunter’s consulting jobs, they were explicitly given to him as bribes, and Biden even demanded 10% of his son’s income. But what were these jobs, $500,000/year? That’s great money for a guy fresh out of rehab but it’s not much for bribe money in Washington DC, especially if you’re only taking 10%. Didn’t the Saudis just give Jared Kushner like $1billion or something? I guess my point is, I don’t think the subterfuge and innuendo of the laptop story are buying you anything here. Right-wingers mostly yell about it more for the fact it was *censored* than they do for the actual contents, and everything you’re complaining about here was public information already, no?
If anyone wants to go after Biden and Democrats and shady monetary connections, isn't the FTX donations a much better topic?
Here, the Democrats directly and Biden specifically accepted major donations from one of the worst financial fraudsters in US history. It is all official and undeniable, and he might even have gotten some political flavours in return if you dig a bit.
Maybe it is less fun if you dont get to speculate, or the GOP does not want too much focus on donations either...
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Strap in for vote number 7 everybody. An aggressive anti rebel speech by the republican nomination, they've selected a black man to nominate Mccarthy. Referencing 1852 seems like a mistake to me but idk.
Talking about mccarthys wins and then instantly his loses in this last cycle as well as then revealing that you're a lions can is uh bold.
Dem nominator delivering his riffs but collecting a lot more energy and a lot more unity from the democrats.
We've still got a donald nomination, have the rebels stayed true and will continue this rebellion,
the rebel nomination says that we could elect the first black speaker of the house, which the dems then stand up and cheer while chanting jeffries for a bit wow.
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On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"? I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring? The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt. Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable. That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired. Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail". He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them. You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery. Why did the Trump controlled DoJ not charge Hunter Biden for these self-admitted crimes while they had control of the evidence?
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McCarthy just failed for the 7th time. House Republicans seem completely unable to elect one of their own as the Speaker, despite controlling the House. This is ridiculous.
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Matt Gaetz just voted for Trump as Speaker and then started laughing. What an asshole.
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