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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
January 04 2023 17:50 GMT
#76821
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Sermokala
United States13735 Posts
January 04 2023 17:51 GMT
#76822
Good thing he's locked down by the secret service and not given a security clearance while doing business on behalf of the country while traveling to China and the middle east to get money. It would be a crazy conflict of interest if your children received billions of dollars and got patents in China that normal us citizens cant get. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43767 Posts
January 04 2023 17:54 GMT
#76823
On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said  The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. What would be overwhelming enough interference by Russia for you to agree that the situation "lived up to the hype"? There were thousands of pro-Trump / anti-Clinton Russian troll accounts reaching millions of social media users and voters; fabricated articles were created by Russia and disseminated to push forward Trump and push back Clinton; Russian agents directly worked with members of Trump's campaign; Russia's GRU infiltrated systems run by the DNC, DCCC, and Clinton campaign; and there were many indictments of individuals who had been colluding. That's more than enough interference to live up to the hype, as far as I'm concerned. Many reports and articles have summaries of all these things, and Wikipedia has a pretty good compilation with 573 references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21340 Posts
January 04 2023 17:55 GMT
#76824
On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: It was dismissed because there was nothing, and there still is nothing. Why on earth would the media give attention and time to "Hunter Biden may have left his laptop at a repair shop". It is a none story, not even the Republicans think its a story because they have done nothing with it. Its always mentioned as 'the laptop' without ever talking about what incriminating stuff was actually on the laptop because there was nothing!Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world.On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
January 04 2023 17:58 GMT
#76825
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Acrofales
Spain17833 Posts
January 04 2023 18:00 GMT
#76826
On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world.On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. Golly, an eloquent, generally well-dressed man didn't get into Covfefe nonsense every damn week? That's amazing Bob, tell me more! | ||
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Sermokala
United States13735 Posts
January 04 2023 18:07 GMT
#76827
Enough dem votes cast McCarthy loses vote 4 no changes from the three yesterday. McCarthy has lost a vote. One of his supporters votes present. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
January 04 2023 18:13 GMT
#76828
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KwarK
United States41958 Posts
January 04 2023 18:14 GMT
#76829
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Simberto
Germany11313 Posts
January 04 2023 18:17 GMT
#76830
On January 05 2023 03:00 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world.On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. Golly, an eloquent, generally well-dressed man didn't get into Covfefe nonsense every damn week? That's amazing Bob, tell me more! I love how much of a view in the republican psyche this discussion gives. Everything is culture war nonsense. Truth is irrelevant, reality is irrelevant. The only explanation they can come up with for why "The media" reported more scandals on Trump than on Obama is that the media is biased. The possibility that maybe Trump was just more scandalous doesn't even cross the mind, or if it does, it is irrelevant. The only mindset they can come up with is one where you push your guy and say bad stuff about the other guy. Which means that if "The media" says bad stuff about your guy, they are the enemy, and you can proof that by showing that they didn't say as much bad stuff about the other guy. I also wonder how much racism plays into this. A complete inability that a black men could simply be better at being president than the white champion of the far-right. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
January 04 2023 18:19 GMT
#76831
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Introvert
United States4654 Posts
January 04 2023 18:30 GMT
#76832
On January 05 2023 03:17 Simberto wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 03:00 Acrofales wrote: On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world.On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 09:52 StasisField wrote: The reason the public often views the Republican party as unified is because the Republican party often takes on stances that make their goals easily achievable (i.e. voting against the Dem's measures is easier than trying to pass your own), and because the Republican Party lives by Reagan's 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." The Republican Party has been pushing blind party loyalty for decades. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)#:~:text=The Eleventh Commandment was a,ill of any fellow Republican. Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. Golly, an eloquent, generally well-dressed man didn't get into Covfefe nonsense every damn week? That's amazing Bob, tell me more! I love how much of a view in the republican psyche this discussion gives. Everything is culture war nonsense. Truth is irrelevant, reality is irrelevant. The only explanation they can come up with for why "The media" reported more scandals on Trump than on Obama is that the media is biased. The possibility that maybe Trump was just more scandalous doesn't even cross the mind, or if it does, it is irrelevant. The only mindset they can come up with is one where you push your guy and say bad stuff about the other guy. Which means that if "The media" says bad stuff about your guy, they are the enemy, and you can proof that by showing that they didn't say as much bad stuff about the other guy. I also wonder how much racism plays into this. A complete inability that a black men could simply be better at being president than the white champion of the far-right. Bold assumption to make, but of course I made no claim as the absolute number of anything, only the relative treatment one against the other. Certainly in many ways Trump was more "scandalous" but his were mostly overblown while Obama's were mostly undersold. Absolutely no requirement for the bolded part. ** As for the laptop, memory says it's ownership and that the contents on it are Hunter's has been also confirmed by either the NYT/WP and Politico. Or maybe NYT and WP. Either way, it IS his, ans therefore should have garnered more attention. Given thr Biden family's truth issues i have no idea how much of what he said was true. | ||
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KwarK
United States41958 Posts
January 04 2023 18:47 GMT
#76833
On January 05 2023 03:30 Introvert wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 03:17 Simberto wrote: On January 05 2023 03:00 Acrofales wrote: On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: [quote] Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: [quote] Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world.On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 11:36 Introvert wrote: [quote] Except Reagan was just about the only person who followed that rule, and even then not always. Since at least 2010, and certainly the 2012 in presidential primary fight, this rule hasn't been honored. And of course Trump abandoned it entirely. Additionally, every party out of power makes it their primary goal to stop the other party. This is especially true in the House, where being in the minority most of the times means you get nothing at all. The GOP's biggest achievements of the last two decades when they've had control are a few tax bills. Nothing else they run on can they get a consensus. The real reason so many people think this is because it's in the political interest of Democrats to say it, and they have the media megaphone. As for what's happening now, despite their claims otherwise I can't see any Republican allowing a Democrat speaker, THAT would be an instant primary loss. Even if McCarthy were to dangle some goodies to dems, it would be risky. It might weaken his position with his caucus even further, but it could snap some GOP objectors back into line. Anyways, if this gets resolved in not too long it will be nothing but a footnote to the start of what was going to be a turbulent term regardless. Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. Golly, an eloquent, generally well-dressed man didn't get into Covfefe nonsense every damn week? That's amazing Bob, tell me more! I love how much of a view in the republican psyche this discussion gives. Everything is culture war nonsense. Truth is irrelevant, reality is irrelevant. The only explanation they can come up with for why "The media" reported more scandals on Trump than on Obama is that the media is biased. The possibility that maybe Trump was just more scandalous doesn't even cross the mind, or if it does, it is irrelevant. The only mindset they can come up with is one where you push your guy and say bad stuff about the other guy. Which means that if "The media" says bad stuff about your guy, they are the enemy, and you can proof that by showing that they didn't say as much bad stuff about the other guy. I also wonder how much racism plays into this. A complete inability that a black men could simply be better at being president than the white champion of the far-right. Bold assumption to make, but of course I made no claim as the absolute number of anything, only the relative treatment one against the other. Certainly in many ways Trump was more "scandalous" but his were mostly overblown while Obama's were mostly undersold. Absolutely no requirement for the bolded part. ** As for the laptop, memory says it's ownership and that the contents on it are Hunter's has been also confirmed by either the NYT/WP and Politico. Or maybe NYT and WP. Either way, it IS his, ans therefore should have garnered more attention. Given thr Biden family's truth issues i have no idea how much of what he said was true. Are you talking about confirmed that the some data matches data on the original laptop, ie that it is a copy made with access to the original (though as plasmid just pointed out that doesn’t mean parts haven’t been altered), or are you saying they confirmed that they actually had Hunter’s physical laptop? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
January 04 2023 18:47 GMT
#76834
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KwarK
United States41958 Posts
January 04 2023 18:50 GMT
#76835
On January 05 2023 03:47 JimmiC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 03:30 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 03:17 Simberto wrote: On January 05 2023 03:00 Acrofales wrote: On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: [quote] Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: [quote] Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world.On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: [quote] Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. Golly, an eloquent, generally well-dressed man didn't get into Covfefe nonsense every damn week? That's amazing Bob, tell me more! I love how much of a view in the republican psyche this discussion gives. Everything is culture war nonsense. Truth is irrelevant, reality is irrelevant. The only explanation they can come up with for why "The media" reported more scandals on Trump than on Obama is that the media is biased. The possibility that maybe Trump was just more scandalous doesn't even cross the mind, or if it does, it is irrelevant. The only mindset they can come up with is one where you push your guy and say bad stuff about the other guy. Which means that if "The media" says bad stuff about your guy, they are the enemy, and you can proof that by showing that they didn't say as much bad stuff about the other guy. I also wonder how much racism plays into this. A complete inability that a black men could simply be better at being president than the white champion of the far-right. Bold assumption to make, but of course I made no claim as the absolute number of anything, only the relative treatment one against the other. Certainly in many ways Trump was more "scandalous" but his were mostly overblown while Obama's were mostly undersold. Absolutely no requirement for the bolded part. ** As for the laptop, memory says it's ownership and that the contents on it are Hunter's has been also confirmed by either the NYT/WP and Politico. Or maybe NYT and WP. Either way, it IS his, ans therefore should have garnered more attention. Given thr Biden family's truth issues i have no idea how much of what he said was true. To the bolded, clearly this is subjective. And Trumps were clearly more scandalous and also WAY more frequent. Partly by design, partly because he is a terrible person. Why is it news? If Erics laptop with nothing damning was found in a repair shop. Who cares? It was a big nothing burger and your side knew it so they kept it so that people like you could pretend it was a big deal. The logical leaps you must do to call this a dem scandal when it was Gulianni and his crew who had the laptop is pretty unfathomable. The repair shop narrative came from Giuliani, a known liar. I think that part of the story remains obviously untrue. Giuliani claimed to have a clone of the laptop after the original got lost by his Canadian girlfriend who you wouldn’t know because she goes to a different school. When asked where he got the original laptop he asserted a blind man gave it to him. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13735 Posts
January 04 2023 18:52 GMT
#76836
I wonder how deep the list is for who nominates and who gives speeches for each vote. Dems rolling with the same person giving riffs on a short speech. Vote for donalds reaches 5 macarthy will lose another vote. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
January 04 2023 18:55 GMT
#76837
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
January 04 2023 19:04 GMT
#76838
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
January 04 2023 19:07 GMT
#76839
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Introvert
United States4654 Posts
January 04 2023 19:15 GMT
#76840
On January 05 2023 03:47 KwarK wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2023 03:30 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 03:17 Simberto wrote: On January 05 2023 03:00 Acrofales wrote: On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: [quote] Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: [quote] Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote: On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote: "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world.On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote: On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote: On January 04 2023 17:55 KwarK wrote: [quote] Why would you make such as easily disprovable claim as the Democratic Party controlling the media? Did you expect it to go unnoticed or did you just not care about truth? Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. Golly, an eloquent, generally well-dressed man didn't get into Covfefe nonsense every damn week? That's amazing Bob, tell me more! I love how much of a view in the republican psyche this discussion gives. Everything is culture war nonsense. Truth is irrelevant, reality is irrelevant. The only explanation they can come up with for why "The media" reported more scandals on Trump than on Obama is that the media is biased. The possibility that maybe Trump was just more scandalous doesn't even cross the mind, or if it does, it is irrelevant. The only mindset they can come up with is one where you push your guy and say bad stuff about the other guy. Which means that if "The media" says bad stuff about your guy, they are the enemy, and you can proof that by showing that they didn't say as much bad stuff about the other guy. I also wonder how much racism plays into this. A complete inability that a black men could simply be better at being president than the white champion of the far-right. Bold assumption to make, but of course I made no claim as the absolute number of anything, only the relative treatment one against the other. Certainly in many ways Trump was more "scandalous" but his were mostly overblown while Obama's were mostly undersold. Absolutely no requirement for the bolded part. ** As for the laptop, memory says it's ownership and that the contents on it are Hunter's has been also confirmed by either the NYT/WP and Politico. Or maybe NYT and WP. Either way, it IS his, ans therefore should have garnered more attention. Given thr Biden family's truth issues i have no idea how much of what he said was true. Are you talking about confirmed that the some data matches data on the original laptop, ie that it is a copy made with access to the original (though as plasmid just pointed out that doesn’t mean parts haven’t been altered), or areas you saying they confirmed that they actually had Hunter’s physical laptop? Without scrounging, I don't think anyone has THE laptop supposedly it was turned over to thr FBI, but I think a few news organizations had copies and at the very least verified the authenticity of the emails. I think the NYT was buried in a long story about Biden's taxes (not sure which one) and the other was from a copy they were given. Doubt that if you want but these news organizations seems to be treating data they got from it as belonging to Hunter. | ||
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