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On January 05 2023 04:07 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 04:04 plasmidghost wrote:
Vote #5 has almost certainly failed. Another five votes and counting for Donalds, Good lord Has the freedom caucus got bored of just trolling the left and moved on to trolling their own party? The 'freedom caucus' has a long distaste for their own party because they believe the rest isn't radical enough.
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This isn't even the freedom caucus anymore. Jim Jordan organized these people and started the war against McCarthy years ago. MTG was the crazy person that went there.
Now both of them have cashed in and are with the party for those chair sears. They forgot that mat gatz and the others in it were really in it for the culture war and did not like McCarthy.
They can't even punish these people though because they will need their votes to pass anything in the house.
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It's deja vu all over again (and again) (and again) (and again) (and again). What a ridiculous situation we're in
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Ken buck is saying that was his last time voting for McCarthy. His support is erroding and the more this goes on the worse its going to be for when he submits.
"when the dems decide to adjurn thats when they will adjurn."
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Talking like this is the last vote the reps want on the day.
Republicans nom speech was a disaster. Smiling as they fail to command the room and get embarrassed as they go for racism to rally the party together.
The dems continue the strategy of riffing a few lines and sitting down.
Rebels seem to be holding strong but man even they are starting to slip on speech quality.
McCarthy loses a 6th vote will dems agree to adjurn or will they force more votes.
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On January 05 2023 03:19 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm actually in a position of knowledge to speak on the laptop story since I've worked in cybersecurity my whole life. You cannot trust digital evidence like that because every single bit of it can be manipulated. Every shred of supposed evidence on that laptop cannot be trusted
Yup. I brought it up when the whole thing started. No chain of custody means it's all legally worthless.
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Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine?
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Kevin McCarthy and Chillindude. Who wore it better? 0-5
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On January 05 2023 04:15 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 03:47 KwarK wrote:On January 05 2023 03:30 Introvert wrote:On January 05 2023 03:17 Simberto wrote:On January 05 2023 03:00 Acrofales wrote:On January 05 2023 02:40 Introvert wrote:On January 05 2023 02:23 KwarK wrote:On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote:On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote:On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote:
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Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. WP is owned by Bezos and NYT are neoliberal conservative. You’ve pushed the Overton window so far right that neoliberalism is no longer seen as conservative. It is conservative though. Trump raves like a lunatic, Biden doesn’t. It was right to question Trump, he launched a coup attempt. Hunter’s laptop story still makes no sense, the provenance was a lie and they still haven’t been able to actually produce a laptop. Russia did intervene in the election and the Trump campaign did meet with Russian agents inappropriately, read the damn Mueller report. You’ve lost your grip on reality. Sorry, I didn't realize we were doing this thing again where you define yourself into being correct. If I had known that I would have stopped. It's my bad really for having bad pattern recognition. Tho of course by your definition it's still possible for those publications to have a pro-dem slant, which is what I said  The laptop is Hunter's, that's been verified multiple times now. For the proposes of this media discussion, I will just day that the truth of Russiagate didn't live up to the hype, which is my point. On January 05 2023 02:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote:On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote:On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote:
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Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. Talk about selective memory. The Tan Suit thing was blasted on media outlets for several days, including multiple talk shows and several 24-hour news outlets. This includes CNN, FOX, and many local news stations. Even assuming that's true, thr idea that it was Obama's biggest scandal just demonstrates how kindly he was treated. On January 05 2023 02:36 Gorsameth wrote:On January 05 2023 02:17 Introvert wrote:On January 05 2023 00:55 KwarK wrote:On January 04 2023 23:55 Introvert wrote:
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Or perhaps most people here know I don't mean they literally control it, they are just on the same side. The leeway afforded one side is way out of proportion. Maybe you disagree with that too but of course I've said for years the Trump term in office proved that beyond doubt and if it hasn't there's no convincing someone otherwise. Y’all have the biggest newspapers, the most watched cable news, all the local news affiliates, and the most listened to radio shows. The idea that the media is against conservatives is pure persecution fetishism. It’s privately owned by a bunch of multibillionaires who profit hugely from conservatives tax policies. I second much of what oBlade says, but places like the NYT, WP, etc have a distinct pro-dem slant meanwhile much of conservative media a closed ecosystem. If it was just who had the most listened/read publications we wouldn't have suffered through 2 years of Russiagate insanity or had the entire Hunter Biden laptop dismissed as a Russian op and suppressed, when it was obvious it was his the whole time. Or the treatment of Trump's mental abilities va Biden's when Biden is even older and obviously even more dull than he was before, etc. I don't mean to have this conversation for the umpteenth time because of course claiming thr media is too friendly to Republicans is an insane but real belief almost every Dem holds. But that just goes along with their general hysteria about anyone to the right of Mitt Romney (and of course in 2012 they hated him, too.) They treated Obama like a Saint too. Thr BS about his biggest scandal was wearing a tan suit perfectly illustrates both the warped perspective of thr online left and dems generally- it was talked about for like a day by a few people on twitter and then they have the temerity to say his administration was "scandal free." Wrong on all counts. "Russiagate" is real, both the Mueller report and later the Republican Senate intelligence committee proved it. Russia interfered in the election and the Trump campaign talking to them are established facts in the real world. The Hunter laptop is dismissed because there is nothing. they had it for god knows how long, and the Republicans had control of the government AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The could have charged someone, they could have investigated something. Not even the Republicans believe in it, that is how fake and tainted it is. After 2? years all they have are some dick pics. Everyone questions Trumps sanity because he can't form coherent sentences and has done bizarre things almost on a weekly basis. It feels like a new book from a 'former Trump White House staffer' comes out atleast once a month that once again highlights how insane and out of touch Trump was/is. Anything else long since debunked you want to try and propose? What was clear pretty early was that it was actually Hunter’s, but what isn't as clear is how much of what he wrote was true. Yet the whole thing was dismissed before even checking. They needed to help Biden, do they doubted even it's ownership long after that was established. Golly, an eloquent, generally well-dressed man didn't get into Covfefe nonsense every damn week? That's amazing Bob, tell me more! I love how much of a view in the republican psyche this discussion gives. Everything is culture war nonsense. Truth is irrelevant, reality is irrelevant. The only explanation they can come up with for why "The media" reported more scandals on Trump than on Obama is that the media is biased. The possibility that maybe Trump was just more scandalous doesn't even cross the mind, or if it does, it is irrelevant. The only mindset they can come up with is one where you push your guy and say bad stuff about the other guy. Which means that if "The media" says bad stuff about your guy, they are the enemy, and you can proof that by showing that they didn't say as much bad stuff about the other guy. I also wonder how much racism plays into this. A complete inability that a black men could simply be better at being president than the white champion of the far-right. Bold assumption to make, but of course I made no claim as the absolute number of anything, only the relative treatment one against the other. Certainly in many ways Trump was more "scandalous" but his were mostly overblown while Obama's were mostly undersold. Absolutely no requirement for the bolded part. ** As for the laptop, memory says it's ownership and that the contents on it are Hunter's has been also confirmed by either the NYT/WP and Politico. Or maybe NYT and WP. Either way, it IS his, ans therefore should have garnered more attention. Given thr Biden family's truth issues i have no idea how much of what he said was true. Are you talking about confirmed that the some data matches data on the original laptop, ie that it is a copy made with access to the original (though as plasmid just pointed out that doesn’t mean parts haven’t been altered), or areas you saying they confirmed that they actually had Hunter’s physical laptop? Without scrounging, I don't think anyone has THE laptop supposedly it was turned over to thr FBI, but I think a few news organizations had copies and at the very least verified the authenticity of the emails. I think the NYT was buried in a long story about Biden's taxes (not sure which one) and the other was from a copy they were given. Doubt that if you want but these news organizations seems to be treating data they got from it as belonging to Hunter.
Don't forget tucker losing his copy over the mail 
It's such a shame, he would've definitly made it all public
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On January 05 2023 06:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Kevin McCarthy and Chillindude. Who wore it better? 0-5
Oh man, what a throwback.
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United States10129 Posts
0-6 now. M2k vs Leffen Smash at Pax.
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House adjourned until 8 Eastern, my god this is great
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The best part is that it would only take a couple of trumpists to break rank for the rest to be satisfied. Then they can just blame whoever sided with mccarthy at their fundraisers while doing nothing.
But who will sacrifice himself ?? :D
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On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine?
To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"?
On January 05 2023 07:01 plasmidghost wrote:
House adjourned until 8 Eastern, my god this is great
And they open the proceedings only to adjourn again by a margin of 2 votes with 4 peoples votes not counted. a few republicans breaking rank to vote no on adjourning.
Vote number 7 coming tomarrow at noon.
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On January 05 2023 03:14 KwarK wrote:
As far as I know they’re yet to produce an actual laptop. They’ve got a digital cloned image of a laptop that was mysteriously sourced (probably Russian hack) but no laptop. The only person who claims to have seen the laptop is, if I recall correctly, a blind man.
On January 05 2023 06:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
0-6 now. M2k vs Leffen Smash at Pax.
It's been a good long while since I've gotten genuine laughs out of this thread. Holy shit.
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On January 05 2023 10:32 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2023 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is there anything specific on the laptop that people are disputing being genuine? To answer that properly we would need access to know whats all on the laptop, but "genuine" do you mean "What the things that have been released about whats on "the laptop" means anything at all to Joe biden"?
I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring?
The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt.
Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable.
That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes.
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