US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3768

On August 27 2022 18:01 gobbledydook wrote:


There are 2 actions you described here.
1. Find an education
As far as I can tell, education is paid for by the government until you graduate high school. College is not included by default.
Are you arguing that a college degree should also be paid for by the government? I understand that this is the case in some European countries like Germany but it is by no means something that has universal acceptance.
2. Find a job
That is a basic human right and I doubt there's anyone who would argue against it.

On August 28 2022 06:12 plasmidghost wrote:
When I went to college, I chose a path that got me a bachelor's for barely anything after scholarships and a job, and I majored in cybersecurity since I knew there was a lucrative amount of money in it. Four years after graduation, I made $150k a year. And you know what I realized? My life has no real meaning to it. I had spent all of college and all of my professional life working in a career that I didn't care about because I couldn't afford the college to study what I wanted to, biomedical engineering. I wanted to help cure diseases, cancers, dementia, anything I possibly could, but to do so would have caused me to graduate with over $100k in debt and interest rates that would've crippled me for a decade, minimum. Now I'm just some corporate drone telling Fortune 500 companies how to not get hacked. Not only should all student debt be forgiven, college should be made free because everyone deserves to be able to participate in higher education and give their life meaning

On August 28 2022 06:12 plasmidghost wrote:
When I went to college, I chose a path that got me a bachelor's for barely anything after scholarships and a job, and I majored in cybersecurity since I knew there was a lucrative amount of money in it. Four years after graduation, I made $150k a year. And you know what I realized? My life has no real meaning to it. I had spent all of college and all of my professional life working in a career that I didn't care about because I couldn't afford the college to study what I wanted to, biomedical engineering. I wanted to help cure diseases, cancers, dementia, anything I possibly could, but to do so would have caused me to graduate with over $100k in debt and interest rates that would've crippled me for a decade, minimum. Now I'm just some corporate drone telling Fortune 500 companies how to not get hacked. Not only should all student debt be forgiven, college should be made free because everyone deserves to be able to participate in higher education and give their life meaning

On August 28 2022 13:38 JimmiC wrote:
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On August 28 2022 02:55 Broetchenholer wrote:


Why is it okay to have socialist high schools, but not socialist colleges? Isn't it in the interest of society to have people educated for the jobs it needs to function? So why not allow them to choose their educational path without an existential threat to their well being? What is the bonus to society that some people start their adult life with debt?

On August 28 2022 14:39 gobbledydook wrote:


Of course, there is nothing inherently wrong with that. It is valid to support free higher education.
You were however claiming that this should be something that everyone should agree on, and the fact is this is a very divisive topic in the US.

On August 28 2022 13:50 Mohdoo wrote:


surely you must be trolling. This is a take I just can't accept. How can you feel right even saying that?

On August 28 2022 15:47 RvB wrote:

The difference is that the benefits of a university education mostly accrue to the student in the form of higher wages. Primary and secondary schools have much larger positive externalities for the rest of society.

On August 27 2022 22:28 JimmiC wrote:
Bernie has a good point, where was all this out rage about people paying their debts when they found out the Donald declared bancuptcy 6 times screwing the contractors and sub contractors that did all the work for him while he continued to live as extravagent a lifestyle as possible?

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-republicans-complaining-194456792.html

On August 27 2022 13:28 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump writing on these documents makes it really hard for me to think they were planted.

For all the libtard owning folks who obsess over this thread, what am I missing? How could Trump have written on documents that were planted? Or is he just incredibly screwed?

On August 29 2022 04:46 oBlade wrote:

Bernie should use his influence in the United States Senate to get a bill going that allows student loans to be discharged in ordinary bankruptcy if that's a good idea.

Re: the PPP loans are also getting a lot of mention as a case of whataboutism - that was a law passed by Congress, designed to keep employees paid at a time when the government forced businesses to shut down, and the conditions of forgiveness/turning the loan into a grant were understood from the beginning and built into the law.

I believe those were around $2 trillion in loans, which is a similar magnitude to the amount of student debt held by the US. And probably contain a similar amount of fraud/waste. PPP loans are STILL being investigated for fraud.

Basically it's really transparent the executive branch unilaterally deciding to spend $300-500b of the US taxpayer's money on something that he (I think) and his own party previously said the president couldn't do, near midterms, is blatant vote buying.


In point of fact, it's possible to have written on something that's no longer in your possession, that someone then puts somewhere to make you look bad. To put it another way, when you write on something, that doesn't affix it to its current position in the universe forever, and it's not only after being president that you can write on documents, you can write on them while you're still president.

That said, I doubt they were for example planted by the deep state to make him look bad if that's what you read from him or somewhere (although not beyond the realm of possibility, will come back to this).

More likely what has happened is he was being impeached his last month in office, people were quitting, some people were putting records in boxes, possibly him, the records left the White House, later the NARA asked for some back, they gave them back, then they said oh there must be more records if you have these, and requested more missing stuff. He says they're his, or anyway that they're declassified.

The alphabets then try to say no, we can't find the memo or certain things aren't in writing correctly or the documents aren't marked correctly - my attitude towards this is basically who cares, move on, he was the president. The idea that he's treasonously passing state secrets as revenge for losing or for financial gain are not serious. This is a common block people have with Trump, whether this or that what he does is normal or not or palatable or not, US presidents have the power to do many things (control whole executive branch, fire and hire who they want, executive orders, and so on) and for each of us they've all done something or other that we dislike. Clinton blew up a medicine factory in Africa. Bush started a war on a lie costing trillions in US taxpayer money to enrich the military industrial complex with an incalculable human cost. Yet they walk around free, erasing pictures of themselves with Epstein, and buying painting lessons and shitting on Trump in order to get on the left's good side finally, respectively. Come on.

Nevertheless no administration's DOJ has ever gone after a predecessor for any reason. Let me put this in a more global perspective, two of THIS country's last 3 presidents were CONVICTED AND IMPRISONED. It's only now, 45 presidents in, that the DOJ approves an FBI raid of Orange Hitler over some precious classified documents. I'm not sure what's happened but a certain generation, or maybe the "libtards" you referred to, needs to understand that it's not illegal for the US to merely elect people who aren't Democrats once in a while.

I don't oppose them taking the docs and doing a so-called "damage assessment" to assess any risk to security and human assets. But to be clear while he was president I think he could have written a list of every US spy around the world, along with an executive order declassifying it, and posted it to Twitter. I THINK, my understanding, is that presidents could do that. They don't, but they would have that power. They don't because it's wrong and because if any did that, the people publishing the list would probably refuse to follow the orders and/or resign, and the president face impeachment (because it would be a clear abuse with no reason even if no statutory offense existed) and/or his cabinet using the 25th amendment. What they had a Mar-a-Lago was I'm sure nothing like that, so whether it had been correctly labeled or processed I'd say again who cares.

This document raid is political pettiness, coming from an agency that
1) repeatedly lets people "on their radar" fly planes into buildings and shoot up schools
2) refused to recommend prosecuting a former Secretary of State, an appointed position even lacking the executive privilege, of a similar magnitude transgression
3) nonetheless meddled in the same election and caused a witch hunt by using a falsified dossier to prop up the investigation of her opponent
4) refused to investigate Biden's son at the time the laptop evidence came out, ostensibly not to meddle in a second election (a statement which by itself presupposes the association of the candidate Biden himself to potential liability)
5) interfered coordinated with big tech SNS to suppress a story as "Russian propaganda" that would hurt the candidate they obviously supported

and coming from an administration that
1) caused the deaths of US servicemen in Afghanistan while US allies were executed in their homes by the Taliban, so the same administration's FBI/DOJ assessing risk to human life and security, seem to be unqualified for the job
2) calls fascist a man who was voted out of office after having followed up on none of his promises to prosecute his opponents, while raiding one of his homes

...the combination of which meets with my disapproval. Part of it is that there is a political drive on the let to outdo one another finding some way to get Trump somehow, or failing that, anyone remotely connected with him. Like the New York AG who was elected by basically saying they would figure out how to charge him with whatever would stick.

And because one of the documents in the manifest was letters with KJU, I tend to believe the "sensitive nuclear weapons documents" are something absurd like "KJU, I will nuke you if you don't behave." This is the anal retentiveness of the US government. I'm what you'd have called a liberal 15 years ago so I find the surveillance state and government secrecy untrustworthy, interested in preserving and expanding its own power and covering its own abuses and justifying its own existence. These people think everything should be secret and hidden from you because that mean power, and they get away with it by saying otherwise people will die. Harm reduction. This is exactly the criticism used against Wikileaks exposure of secret information and it should be put in the dictionary under "concern trolling" - the US government's sudden change of heart and regard for human life, how admirable.

If you know how the nuclear system works, for instance, it's really weird, there is information that you can come up with by yourself that is classified, like certain aspects about nuclear weapons design. If you like nuclear physics and engineering you could theoretically doodle something that ends up being something classified and therefore it illegal to have. If memory serves.

I think I've written more than your question but I just continue to be confounded by the political realignment around the FBI/CIA.

He says they're his, or anyway that they're declassified.