EPTMaybe a person like trump beeing able to rise to power was sort of inevitable,as a result of things that have slowly been building up for years or even decades.
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pmh
1352 Posts
Maybe a person like trump beeing able to rise to power was sort of inevitable,as a result of things that have slowly been building up for years or even decades. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8986 Posts
On June 25 2022 07:24 WombaT wrote: To a degree, the blame can’t all be foisted on the shoulders of those who don’t feel enthused enough to vote. And usually the more left leaning folk. I think it’s a bit silly to not vote given how demonstrably awful the GOP are, but I mean beyond that? The lessons taken from Trump’s victory are so ridiculously skewed, it’s the voters fault for not turning out. What there should have been was a real collective soul search on account of the Democratic Party to try and come up with substantive policies and galvanise people who felt disenfranchised. Instead well, here we are. Trump’s ascent should have acted as a dual wake-up call to both the dangers of letting such a character into power, but also for the Democratic Party to get its shit together. The former seems to have held true at least temporarily, the latter? A factor that ended up being pertinent was the polling and the perception that it was a done deal. I know plenty who didn’t vote in the Brexit referendum because they thought we’d collectively vote to remain in. I’d assume there are many felt the same in 2016 over in the States, but that’s a slightly different category. I blame both the Dem party for being weak and feckless and the voters who sat at home pouting. The system is rigged and the shit needs to be better. But it can't be done unless people are actually and actively involved/engaged. Those who think they're scoring points after this ruling are deluding themselves into thinking this is a win for their platform. This is going to get a lot of people killed because wannabe revolutionaries polluted the left of center and far left. Bernie or Bust gave us the bust. Anyone but Trump without kicking out the senators and reps (there's a lot of other shit that needs to be talked about, but just being general for brevity) that would end up elevating this nonsense/not doing enough is the result of this. The lesson was presented but some people still refused to do what was necessary and form that coalition and get things done that empowered the disenfranchised. To think people are bootlicking or what have you is ridiculous to the point it isn't worth engaging with. I've said my piece. Good day all. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On June 25 2022 07:34 Zambrah wrote: Blame the powerful, things happen in this country because of the powerful, and they’ll keep happening because of the powerful til the rest of the country realizes they can take the power back at any time they choose. Should also stress that the US's problems are systemic and institutional, the individuals are products of them. Trump never even rises to prominence, let alone the presidency, without decades of bipartisan systemic and institutional malpractice. Blaming Bernie supporters is embarrassing imo. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Let's ditch the pretense please. This isn't some live and let live, just don't get abortions agenda. They want to force heteronormative relationships, they want to force pregnancies, and they want to force them to be carried to term. Forced birth. Plain and simple. You might be inclined to think they don't care what kind of medical, financial, and emotional damage they inflict on everyone along the way, but I think they care greatly, because I think that's the point. Dismantle women's rights and healthcare, and outright deny the existence of LGBTQ people and destroy their rights too. All by design. If you're not a straight, white cis man, you are fucked. This was the goal. Even if you are a straight, white, cis dude, I guarantee you you know or love or are related to plenty of people who aren't. This is a naked power play meant to visit as much harm as possible on common Americans, so they can profit off the carnage. Because a fucking pandemic + recession combo wasn't good enough for them. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
Be careful... Looks like they've called in the fucking storm troopers. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/vjt38x/us_capitol_police_arrive_in_full_riot_gear_to/ God what a contrast to no big deal January 6th. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
It's different because it's Christian Americans doing it this time. I'm sure of it. Maybe it's actually ok, despite all the red flags everywhere you look. It's gotta be. God said so. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
On June 25 2022 09:26 Starlightsun wrote: Be careful... Looks like they've called in the fucking storm troopers. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/vjt38x/us_capitol_police_arrive_in_full_riot_gear_to/ God what a contrast to no big deal January 6th. Eh, I’m depressed enough to not care lol. Have at me World, I can take it. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
Keep yourself safe. I'm sure you know this, but in case anyone wants to go to a protest, here's stuff to know: Tell three trusted friends where you'll be. Bring a bag with a ton of water bottles, don't bring any electronics, don't post on social media, leave your phone on at home, wear a mask or balaclava or whatever to cover your face, cover tattoos, wear generic clothing, and be hyper aware of any police presence. Don't let them kettle you. If they come at you with batons, don't defend with your arms, as they will almost certainly shatter. Tuck your upper body away and let your back take the blow. If they use tear gas, pour water in your eyes and those of anyone else around you. Other solutions for tear gas are found here. Coordinate with those around you. If you get isolated, you're a sitting duck. Stay in mobile groups with as many people as possible. Keep an eye out for brownshirts and other fash. You see a group of them, tell everyone around you. You can identify them because they're almost always white guys with their entire face exposed. The police will protect them, so they will purposely try to bait you into fights. Do not get baited or they will try to kill you or get the police to. Be very wary of anyone in the protest groups trying to get you or others to be violent. Lot of the times, they're undercover cops. Ask around and see what people have figured out on how they identify each other. Could be wristbands, could be necklaces, anything. And always remember: the police do not have morals and should not be considered human beings. They are sadistic sociopaths that will not hesitate to inflict pain on you, so don't give them that opportunity. The police and the government view us as less than human. The time has come to see how much less than human we can get. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On June 25 2022 10:17 Severedevil wrote: The Bernie crowd pushed for a popular candidate with popular policies who would've won in 2016. The Democratic establishment pushed for an unpopular candidate who lost in 2016. It takes some truly bonkers mental gymnastics to blame that failure on Bernie backers. Daily reminder that Hillary was objectively more popular than Trump in 2016 as evidenced by the fact that she got more votes. Unfortunately the system is set up so that the more popular candidate with more votes doesn't win. | ||
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Sadist
United States7242 Posts
Everyone needs to realize by voting dem you are effectively cancelling out some asshole Republicans vote. By voting Dem you are taking them out and neutralizing their troll voice. Leave the infighting to the primaries. After that it should be straight ticket dem not because they are an amazing party but because its the anti republican vote. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44376 Posts
On June 25 2022 10:17 Severedevil wrote: The Bernie crowd pushed for a popular candidate with popular policies who would've won in 2016. The Democratic establishment pushed for an unpopular candidate who lost in 2016. It takes some truly bonkers mental gymnastics to blame that failure on Bernie backers. I preferred Bernie to Hillary too, but if you're not even popular enough to win a primary, then it makes no sense to assert you would have won the general election. I think most Bernie supporters properly got in line and voted for Hillary, but if anyone didn't back Hillary, they're obviously partially to blame (especially in swing states). | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On June 25 2022 11:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I preferred Bernie to Hillary too, but if you're not even popular enough to win a primary, then it makes no sense to assert you would have won the general election. I think most Bernie supporters properly got in line and voted for Hillary, but if anyone didn't back Hillary, they're obviously partially to blame (especially in swing states). Only if you ignore the fact that the people most likely to vote in the Democratic primary are card-carrying Democrats and not independents and those to the left of the Democrats. And that's before getting into how the media conspired with the Clinton campaign to hurt Bernie's chances and how the super delegates made his win look impossible to the average voter on day one, and etc. etc. etc. The results of the 2016 and 2020 primaries weren't as simple as "well, Bernie didn't win so he's not actually popular". | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
South Carolina? Hugely important bell weather state for Democrats amiright | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 25 2022 12:11 Trainrunnef wrote: Makes you wonder if events like this are what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the 2nd amendment. Trump’s quote from his 2016 campaign about second amendment people and SCJ’s certainly comes to mind here. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
A bunch of people advocated for Clinton in the primary not because they found her or her policies more favorable, but because they convinced themselves the electorate would. It was a catastrophic miscalculation on their part. They did the same thing rallying around Biden to stop Bernie and it is playing out to be a different but also catastrophic miscalculation. Maybe nominating Clinton and Biden was the wisest thing Democrats could have done (it definitely wasn't imo), but the verdict is in, and it was/is demonstrably and disastrously deficient. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On June 25 2022 10:17 Severedevil wrote: The Bernie crowd pushed for a popular candidate with popular policies who would've won in 2016. The Democratic establishment pushed for an unpopular candidate who lost in 2016. It takes some truly bonkers mental gymnastics to blame that failure on Bernie backers. That's seems like a weird take to me, either Bernie had enough support to win and the fact that his electorate didn't come to vote for Hillary was part of the reason she lost or he was not more popular than Hillary and his voters are blameless but you can't have both. I think it's perfectly fair to think Bernie would have won and that the DNC skrewed him but part of his base sitting at home pouting and the general discourse that Hillary and Trump were the same definitely played a part in her defeat. | ||
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