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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
I can't find anyone else currently alive that has made as much of a contribution to future technology, whether it is making electric cars mainstream, or reusable space travel. To describe him as a conman, when his achievements are open for all to see, is inane. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On April 26 2022 09:47 gobbledydook wrote: I really don't get the Elon Musk hate. I can't find anyone else currently alive that has made as much of a contribution to future technology, whether it is making electric cars mainstream, or reusable space travel. To describe him as a conman, when his achievements are open for all to see, is inane. Musk is hard to categorize. He runs important businesses, but also ridiculous scams. He's a visionary, but he's so petty he sicced a PI on a rescue diver for talking back. You can't trust anything he says, but sometimes he'll actually do the dope shit he says he'll do. And, of course, he's insanely rich, so his class interests do not align with ours. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
He didn't earn this money trading in a hedge fund, or from his dad, or digging for oil. As far as billionaires go, I think he's earned it more than most others. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On April 26 2022 09:47 gobbledydook wrote: I really don't get the Elon Musk hate. I can't find anyone else currently alive that has made as much of a contribution to future technology, whether it is making electric cars mainstream, or reusable space travel. To describe him as a conman, when his achievements are open for all to see, is inane. It is really bizarre. His companies have built rockets that land vertically and electric cars that go 0-60 in 2 seconds but there is a contingent of people that want to paint him as a con man a la Elizabeth Holmes. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On April 26 2022 11:21 gobbledydook wrote: He became insanely rich because he built important companies that provide immense value to society. He didn't earn this money trading in a hedge fund, or from his dad, or digging for oil. As far as billionaires go, I think he's earned it more than most others. He definitely earned money on his own ventures. But make no mistake, he comes from wealthy family and has had more money then most of us his entire existence. The numbers are just unfathomably larger now. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35158 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
He deserves credit for Tesla and SpaceX, which so many are reluctant to admit. That he is an asshole is beside the point. | ||
KwarK
United States42880 Posts
On April 26 2022 12:50 gobbledydook wrote: I don't think he deserves any credit for buying Twitter. That's his own money and he is doing what he pleases with it. He deserves credit for Tesla and SpaceX, which so many are reluctant to admit. That he is an asshole is beside the point. He bought Tesla. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
1) Tesla didn't actually have a product when he bought it. Every one of Tesla's cars was created after Elon took over. 2) Elon founded SpaceX. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13972 Posts
And yet he acts reprehensible all the time retailaiting against anyone who talks back to him or raises any type of attempt to tax him fairly. Let's not even start to look at how he treats his family. And now this guy is going to be in control of the largest social media marketplace today? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7896 Posts
The fact that a self proclaimed free speech absolutist now owns twitter though means it will be even more of a springboard for hate speech, extremism, abuse and disinformation than it already is. And that’s bad news for everyone. Twitter needs to be vastly more regulated, not the opposite. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11544 Posts
On April 26 2022 16:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don’t care about Musk; he is just a megalomaniac tech billionaire that does and say good stuff sometimes and super dumb stuff most others. The fact that a self proclaimed free speech absolutist now owns twitter though means it will be even more of a springboard for hate speech, extremism, abuse and disinformation than it already is. And that’s bad news for everyone. Twitter needs to be vastly more regulated, not the opposite. Maybe this will lead to governments actually getting off their arse and regulating them? Because Twitter self-regulating is bad, no matter who is in charge. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On April 26 2022 14:43 Sermokala wrote: Tesla isn't worth more than all other car companies in the world. Spacex was started with and is sustained by massive public support. Tesla was also only able to survive because of massive government funding. Everything he has was build on either public investment or apartheid wealth. He deserves little to no credit for what his companies have achieved. And yet he acts reprehensible all the time retailaiting against anyone who talks back to him or raises any type of attempt to tax him fairly. Let's not even start to look at how he treats his family. And now this guy is going to be in control of the largest social media marketplace today? If it was so easy, why has no one else been able to do it? Why is it that no other space company has been able to do what SpaceX has done? Why is it that when we talk about electic cars, Tesla is the first brand we think of? Just because he got help along the way does not in any way diminish his achievements - no one gets to where they are without help from someone. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10751 Posts
It being the most valuable car company in the world is ultimate proof that the stock market has lost its connection to reality. Reusable/Landing Rockets is cool but afaik thats as far as it goes when it comes to their "impact" atm? Musk/Tesla is basically a giant marketing ploy... But people like their celebrities so they eat it up. I have no issues with any of the products, atleast not more than with plenty of other stuff, but the hype around the products and the persona makes me wanna womit. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25551 Posts
On April 26 2022 12:42 BlackJack wrote: It is really bizarre. His companies have built rockets that land vertically and electric cars that go 0-60 in 2 seconds but there is a contingent of people that want to paint him as a con man a la Elizabeth Holmes. It’s the status he’s given and his happiness to accept said status that is con man-esque, it’s not all smoke and mirrors no. People act like he’s done all this single-handedly and he doesn’t do a huge amount to disavow them of this notion that he’s a visionary trans-planetary genius. Depends on one’s level of exposure but the Church of Musk prosthelytising can be a ‘tad’ obnoxious. He’s a savvy businessman who’s overseen some good tech development, some with government funding. If he behaved accordingly rather than well, how he behaves a lot of people would have considerably less of a problem with. He wants to have his cake and eat it, be the saviour of humanity but entirely on his terms, while not getting criticised for it. Very, very spiky when it comes to criticism that one. How long has this ridiculous hyperloop idea been pushed when he could just Google what a train is? To take one example. Or pushing his green credentials while evangelising about crypto. But you do have cool, useful stuff like what you mentioned, or Starlink He’s a flawed bloke like all of us, with a truly ungodly amount of money and power. Nothing really to be done than wait and see what he wants to do with it. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On April 26 2022 18:35 Broetchenholer wrote: Tesla is the worst thing when it comes to electrical cars. We do not need Tesla, we need 800kg cars that are able to drive 110 km/h max for 600 km. Tesla might have contributed to other companies shifting faster, by how much i don't know. SpaceX is cool, but 100% not necessary. Space exploration has had a positive impact on societey for the technology it created and so on, but then this guy wants to shoot rockets from New York to Tokyo, so that ultrarich can travel faster. And all he might have done unintentionally to protect the environment with Tesla is out of the window. He also wants to sell flamethrowers and monorail. And he made all his money by the big soeciety changing for the better paypal, so much contribution, wow. Basically, the man shows on a daily basis, that whatever he does is driven by making money and increasing his ego and that all positive outcomes for society are random byproducts of a brain that wants cool stuff. By all accounts Thomas Edison was an asshole and driven by making money. Do we then say that him inventing the electric light should therefore be dismissed because he did it to make money? History will remember Elon Musk as a great man. His name will be taught in history books a hundred years in the future. Of that I am certain. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7327 Posts
Edison was a huge asshole. | ||
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farvacola
United States18831 Posts
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