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JimmiC
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 21 2022 11:44 LegalLord wrote: I'm sure the quip itself has mitigating context, but in light of the bizarre mess that was the pre-February start of operations (i.e. the barrage of "final, final" emails), I'm not inclined towards being charitable. The restarting of loans does, in and of itself, seem to be a high priority, whatever the reason for doing so may be. You're right to point out they do seem to have some kinda "Well we gotta start em up sooner or later" perspective that is hard to trace. It is crazy to me to see. There are lots of good points people have brought up about how its all very expensive and this and that, but I think we can all agree politicians don't actually care how much things cost. Price itself is never enough to make something bad. Politicians will always rely on spending, indirectly or directly, as a way to bolster their party's standing. If it isn't financial pressure, what is it? Is it really just old dude resentful of young whipper snappers? I really just don't buy the idea that their internal polling shows people are saying "Swear to god, either you make those students pay $400/month or I am voting for republicans". That just isn't the kinda thought people have. Its like how someone being disappointed in republicans not doing enough to overturn Roe v Wade voting for democrats out of protest. It just wouldn't happen. We have seen plenty of people here who think forgiveness is bad, but I imagine not a single one would ever consider voting for a republican because of forgiveness/freezing. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On March 21 2022 12:02 Mohdoo wrote: You're right to point out they do seem to have some kinda "Well we gotta start em up sooner or later" perspective that is hard to trace. It is crazy to me to see. There are lots of good points people have brought up about how its all very expensive and this and that, but I think we can all agree politicians don't actually care how much things cost. Price itself is never enough to make something bad. Politicians will always rely on spending, indirectly or directly, as a way to bolster their party's standing. If it isn't financial pressure, what is it? Is it really just old dude resentful of young whipper snappers? I really just don't buy the idea that their internal polling shows people are saying "Swear to god, either you make those students pay $400/month or I am voting for republicans". That just isn't the kinda thought people have. Its like how someone being disappointed in republicans not doing enough to overturn Roe v Wade voting for democrats out of protest. It just wouldn't happen. We have seen plenty of people here who think forgiveness is bad, but I imagine not a single one would ever consider voting for a republican because of forgiveness/freezing. It's usually just one of many issues that push people one way or another. You're not convincing any of the die hard right or die hard left. The independents are what decide elections and most of them don't view any one issue as make or break. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2939 Posts
On March 21 2022 14:53 gobbledydook wrote: It's usually just one of many issues that push people one way or another. You're not convincing any of the die hard right or die hard left. The independents are what decide elections and most of them don't view any one issue as make or break. Isn't conventional wisdom now that turnout is what determines the outcome of the election? Especially at the midterms?Faffing about with student loans isn't going to provide a lot of motivation for a lot of people to turn out to vote. It's just a dumb move at this point in time. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On March 21 2022 18:22 EnDeR_ wrote: Isn't conventional wisdom now that turnout is what determines the outcome of the election? Especially at the midterms?Faffing about with student loans isn't going to provide a lot of motivation for a lot of people to turn out to vote. It's just a dumb move at this point in time. This is correct, US independents are far, far from being real swing voters. They're more invested in their single wedge issue as their make or break. You want to win elections in the US you drive enthusiasm and get turn out up (usually by making empty promises and then oops whoopsy breaking the promises.) | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On March 21 2022 12:02 Mohdoo wrote: If it isn't financial pressure, what is it? Is it really just old dude resentful of young whipper snappers? I really just don't buy the idea that their internal polling shows people are saying "Swear to god, either you make those students pay $400/month or I am voting for republicans". That just isn't the kinda thought people have. Its like how someone being disappointed in republicans not doing enough to overturn Roe v Wade voting for democrats out of protest. It just wouldn't happen. We have seen plenty of people here who think forgiveness is bad, but I imagine not a single one would ever consider voting for a republican because of forgiveness/freezing. I agree that the current dance is weird, but this is not an accurate comparison either. The republicans have always considered themselves the party of fiscal responsibility, and claiming the dems are wasting money on edumacation is extremely on-brand. If you want federal help for college, you will still be leaning dem; if you think subsidising college is wasteful, you will still be leaning rep. There hasn't been any significant shift in alignment, even if it was Trump who started this mess. They just looked at the optics when they were in power and decided it should be someone else's problem. There are also plenty of fiscal cons in what passes for the US centre who would like the admin to stop kicking the can down the road. The only question is why Biden seems so adamant that this is his problem when he's already blown all his capital. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
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lestye
United States4240 Posts
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KwarK
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Dan HH
Romania9245 Posts
On March 22 2022 03:11 KwarK wrote: More likely that the plague delayed invasion plans or that the invasion wasn’t scheduled for those years. I can’t imagine that anyone was intimidated by Trump, the man is an incompetent cretin. That's pretty much the crux of the madman theory, you have more to fear from an incompetent cretin than from a rational foe. Even just a couple of weeks ago he said the US should put Chinese flags on jets and bomb Russia to make them fight eachother. If I were Putin I'd be pretty fucking scared to start a war while someone with the mind of an 8 year old is in charge of the US, you can't account for that. | ||
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KwarK
United States44286 Posts
On March 22 2022 03:36 Dan HH wrote: That's pretty much the crux of the madman theory, you have more to fear from an incompetent cretin than from a rational foe. Even just a couple of weeks ago he said the US should put Chinese flags on jets and bomb Russia to make them fight eachother. If I were Putin I'd be pretty fucking scared to start a war while someone with the mind of an 8 year old is in charge of the US, you can't account for that. If I were Putin I’d be pretty sure I could outwit and 8 year old but that’s just me. | ||
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lestye
United States4240 Posts
Granted, Trump's whole thing is that he's pro authortarian so I don't think he would care, especially since Ukraine wasnt helping him politically. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46419 Posts
On March 22 2022 04:21 lestye wrote: I think thats possibly legit. I heard that Russian intelligence was super scared of Reagen, not because he was this master statemen or tactician, but because they knew he was senile so he could do anything. Granted, Trump's whole thing is that he's pro authortarian so I don't think he would care, especially since Ukraine wasnt helping him politically. Given that Trump was unsuccessful in strongarming Ukraine into interfering with our 2020 election, and given that Trump had an eternal erection for Putin's alpha authoritarianism during Trump's term, I'm still not convinced that a second-term President Trump would have picked the correct side of the current Ukraine-Russian conflict, even though he's recently made some appropriate anti-Putin remarks. | ||
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micronesia
United States24799 Posts
Without justification, your post is useless. I will attempt to provide something equally valuable and relevant: This is a legit total disaster on a stage commensurate with the size of Taelshin's community he/she has influence over. Anyone pretending otherwise is telling themselves lies. Just to reiterate, on the aforementioned scale, Taelshin has been a TOTAL disaster. After all the shit his/her predecessor got for being boarish, for being claudish and being compared to terrible dictators etc., I don't see how anyone here can be hopeful about the current leader of Taelshin's immediate sphere of influence. Call a spade a spade for fuck's sake. Who knows how Taelshin's predecessor would have fared. It would be hard to do much worse. What a joke. | ||
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