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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
There is no logic in trusting Guliani. He was regarded as a wacky quacko before the election and is even more of one after organizing the post-election lawsuits. The laptop repair guy makes a phone call to the FBI, sends them a few of the emails that day, they send people to take the labtop that night. the FBI has the manpower to do that and would have gone through it just as fast as Hillary's emails. that the Labtop even exists now is a rep boost but it doesn't begin to scratch 4 seasons total landscaping. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
On March 20 2022 04:43 Husyelt wrote: Owens I think is clearly grifting and doesn't believe all her shit, where as MTG I am not so sure. She is legitimately unfit for office. I can't find a democrat equivalent, I thought AOC was might be in that territory when she first broke on the scene, but in a recent NPR interview she sounded completely competent and I like her more. Shes like an 8/10. Marjorie and Owens are like 1's and 2s. I think the only person in the democrats party that is even remotely comparable would be Omar. But MTG and Owens (hell, 80% of the Rs) are special. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On March 20 2022 04:43 Husyelt wrote: Owens I think is clearly grifting and doesn't believe all her shit, where as MTG I am not so sure. She is legitimately unfit for office. I can't find a democrat equivalent, I thought AOC was might be in that territory when she first broke on the scene, but in a recent NPR interview she sounded completely competent and I like her more. Shes like an 8/10. Marjorie and Owens are like 1's and 2s. I’m just not sure what’s more contemptible, MTG’s brand of seemingly earnestly held idiocy, or Owen’s rather transparent grifting. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
On March 20 2022 05:08 WombaT wrote: I’m just not sure what’s more contemptible, MTG’s brand of seemingly earnestly held idiocy, or Owen’s rather transparent grifting. Definitely Candice Owens and people like her. I think if you could show them what American media and politics would look like in ten years, and there was clear degradation and more idiocy, they would wouldn't bat an eye. The problem for us is the media in general is so heightened and thrives on its on feedback cycles. Any mentally sound and capable politician or journalist that does genuinely good work will not be featured, they will be uncredited to the public since they don't have salacious soundbites to grab, instead we get to see Owens, Marjorie, Tucker and Maddow obliterate the signal to noise ratio. Fucking pisses me off. News media might need to call it quits and refashion themselves to be less entertaining, "support the NYT on Patreon, and we will stay as objective as possible thanks to your contributions". | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46705 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On March 20 2022 07:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think Owens knows exactly what she's doing. She's bad faith and opportunistic. I think MTG is legitimately an oblivious moron. Yep. MTG is an idiot catering to an idiotic voter base. Candace Owen is a smart woman catering to an idiotic voter base. Edit: MTG and Trump are in the same category. Ron DeSantis is definitely in the Owen category. He knows what he's doing. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On March 20 2022 07:07 Husyelt wrote: Definitely Candice Owens and people like her. I think if you could show them what American media and politics would look like in ten years, and there was clear degradation and more idiocy, they would wouldn't bat an eye. The problem for us is the media in general is so heightened and thrives on its on feedback cycles. Any mentally sound and capable politician or journalist that does genuinely good work will not be featured, they will be uncredited to the public since they don't have salacious soundbites to grab, instead we get to see Owens, Marjorie, Tucker and Maddow obliterate the signal to noise ratio. Fucking pisses me off. News media might need to call it quits and refashion themselves to be less entertaining, "support the NYT on Patreon, and we will stay as objective as possible thanks to your contributions". This is fair, albeit I think it’s more a problem both for us and caused by us collectively, as well as being a structural problem in how media is sold and thus where priorities lie. We’re sort of seeing what the ‘choose your own adventure’ approach to news is getting us, and it ain’t pretty. It was somewhat lost in the wider discussion about ‘laptop gate’, as an aside I think Introvert did have a point in terms of the role social media companies are playing in flagging stuff too. I’m not a fan of leaving things a free for all, we’ve already seen that people don’t have the chops, or time and resources to reliably vet all these things. So I do think some mechanisms are in place. I’m also not a fan of social media companies dictating what’s fair game for dissemination and whatnot, much less so if it’s via an arbitrary and shifting framework. The equivalent of a mod note with some alternative info links or something definitely seems a more productive and transparent way to go than outright ad hoc blocking some things. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
According to 538, whatever "rally around the flag" boost he had is by now just about entirely gone. Not that it was very big to begin with, but it also didn't last long either. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States24507 Posts
On March 21 2022 06:05 NewSunshine wrote: The cynical side of me is waiting to see it delayed until December, and they campaign once again on eliminating student debt, turning it into a wedge issue for no reason. And unlike the boogeyman of abortion, it's not some amorphous thing that you can constantly rally against no matter what version of reality you live in, you either do it or you don't, and it's going to be really stupid if they continue not doing it. It's totally nonsensical when one considers that restarting loans was a high priority of Biden's. It's not like Republicans came out saying they desperately want to restart student loans and Biden/Democrats is all that prevents it. I'd hope that Democrat voters weren't so oblivious as to succumb to such manipulation but it's hard for their naivete to surprise me anymore. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 21 2022 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote: It's totally nonsensical when one considers that restarting loans was a high priority of Biden's. It's not like Republicans came out saying they desperately want to restart student loans and Biden/Democrats is all that prevents it. I'd hope that Democrat voters weren't so oblivious as to succumb to such manipulation but it's hard for their naivete to surprise me anymore. I'm well past the point of being a Biden apologist, but it didn't really sound like that to me. Psaki made it sound more like making sure student loans being restarted isn't a bad thing is their priority. Like they want it to be easy and manageable is the priority. Not starting itself. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 21 2022 09:30 Mohdoo wrote: I'm well past the point of being a Biden apologist, but it didn't really sound like that to me. Psaki made it sound more like making sure student loans being restarted isn't a bad thing is their priority. Like they want it to be easy and manageable is the priority. Not starting itself. I'm sure the quip itself has mitigating context, but in light of the bizarre mess that was the pre-February start of operations (i.e. the barrage of "final, final" emails), I'm not inclined towards being charitable. The restarting of loans does, in and of itself, seem to be a high priority, whatever the reason for doing so may be. | ||
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