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While the law is a slap in the face to the population that lives in Texas, I think it will all come down to parenting. If teachers do take the approach Zambrah is saying, then parents should correct that as soon as they find out. I also expect teachers to walk out en masse should they be forced to teach or alter their courses to fit the new law. It's bad on the surface but will only get worse if parents don't take corrective action. I also wouldn't be surprised to see some moving about in Texas where this kind of thing will be taught in favor of more centrist/leftist teachings.
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On July 21 2021 05:54 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2021 05:26 Zambrah wrote:On July 21 2021 04:55 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 04:42 Simberto wrote:On July 21 2021 04:11 Zambrah wrote:Texas passed a bill dropping the requirement for the Ku Klux Klan to be taught as morally wrong. Among other changes to schooling requirements in Texas, the bill also targets MLK's I Have a Dream speech, Susan B. Anthony's writings on women's suffrage, and Native American history. The first one is more immediately alarming, but good lord, America actively trying to make it's people stupider and more vile. I can only say I wish I was surprised, but these are the days of doubling down on the most evil parts of America and it's history. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-senate-education-bill-white-supremacy_n_60f50cf6e4b01f11895b2dc3 Hm. How important is that inpractice? If i understand correctly, this just doesn't force teachers to discuss those things. But it also doesn't force them not to. Pretty much any politics or social stuff teacher i have ever met was pretty left-ish. Is that different in the US? Because if not, the teachers will just keep on teaching those things. I mean, it really sucks as a first step in the wrong direction, but unless the US teachers are substantially different from German ones, it won't immediately have bad effects on the actual teaching in schools. (And as a teacher myself, i obviously prefer anything that gives me more freedom to decide on my own what i teach) Theoretically what you're saying makes sense, but the rules were put in because the opposite was being taught. I think in a huge % it will be like you say but in smaller towns it will not be. It also takes away the ability for admin to discipline or fire a teacher for teaching things many of us would not want our kids taught. It is also kind of scary that the people in power see this as a popular move with their base. Its also the case that many people won't so explicitly state, "The KKK were morally in the right." Like when the Civil War is taught in such a way that slavery isnt REALLY a principle part of why its happened, it's framed as a "states rights" issue in order to make the Confederacy not be the side of literal traitors who fought for the right to keep black people as slaves. I'm worried more about a subtle sanitization of the KKK as "not really that bad" more so than them being taught as "pretty good actually." Wouldn't be surprised for plenty of people to skip straight to "the KKK was pretty good actually" immediately though, given the state of things. I guess we will see, I'm starting to see more and more articles about the Alamo that are not "bad Mexicans trying to take Murica" and many more about how the Mexican government was trying to outlaw slavery and the Americans who immigrated were fighting them because they wanted to keep it and protect their cotton profits. Sometimes these bills create the unintended consequence of huge push back. I'm not confident but some of this stuff that plays well with a small crowd plays really really bad with the independents and is the battle cry to get the polls for the rest of the dems. I would be interested in how it plays with Hispanics who many do vote Republican. The other morbid to think about is as the south starts to hit their 4th wave which is going to disproportionately hit republicans (way less vaccination plus tend to be older) is some of the purple states might go full blue as many of the republicans seem to trying to kill off their own voters (I have to imagine family members of people who died/ long term issues from covid will also switch but confirmation bias is a powerful force so who knows if there is more than those who just pass away needlessly). Has anything like this ever happened before? It boggles my mind. But these bills are not about winning elections tomorrow. They are about being able to indoctrinate the next generation of potential Republican voters.
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On July 21 2021 06:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2021 05:54 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 05:26 Zambrah wrote:On July 21 2021 04:55 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 04:42 Simberto wrote:On July 21 2021 04:11 Zambrah wrote:Texas passed a bill dropping the requirement for the Ku Klux Klan to be taught as morally wrong. Among other changes to schooling requirements in Texas, the bill also targets MLK's I Have a Dream speech, Susan B. Anthony's writings on women's suffrage, and Native American history. The first one is more immediately alarming, but good lord, America actively trying to make it's people stupider and more vile. I can only say I wish I was surprised, but these are the days of doubling down on the most evil parts of America and it's history. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-senate-education-bill-white-supremacy_n_60f50cf6e4b01f11895b2dc3 Hm. How important is that inpractice? If i understand correctly, this just doesn't force teachers to discuss those things. But it also doesn't force them not to. Pretty much any politics or social stuff teacher i have ever met was pretty left-ish. Is that different in the US? Because if not, the teachers will just keep on teaching those things. I mean, it really sucks as a first step in the wrong direction, but unless the US teachers are substantially different from German ones, it won't immediately have bad effects on the actual teaching in schools. (And as a teacher myself, i obviously prefer anything that gives me more freedom to decide on my own what i teach) Theoretically what you're saying makes sense, but the rules were put in because the opposite was being taught. I think in a huge % it will be like you say but in smaller towns it will not be. It also takes away the ability for admin to discipline or fire a teacher for teaching things many of us would not want our kids taught. It is also kind of scary that the people in power see this as a popular move with their base. Its also the case that many people won't so explicitly state, "The KKK were morally in the right." Like when the Civil War is taught in such a way that slavery isnt REALLY a principle part of why its happened, it's framed as a "states rights" issue in order to make the Confederacy not be the side of literal traitors who fought for the right to keep black people as slaves. I'm worried more about a subtle sanitization of the KKK as "not really that bad" more so than them being taught as "pretty good actually." Wouldn't be surprised for plenty of people to skip straight to "the KKK was pretty good actually" immediately though, given the state of things. I guess we will see, I'm starting to see more and more articles about the Alamo that are not "bad Mexicans trying to take Murica" and many more about how the Mexican government was trying to outlaw slavery and the Americans who immigrated were fighting them because they wanted to keep it and protect their cotton profits. Sometimes these bills create the unintended consequence of huge push back. I'm not confident but some of this stuff that plays well with a small crowd plays really really bad with the independents and is the battle cry to get the polls for the rest of the dems. I would be interested in how it plays with Hispanics who many do vote Republican. The other morbid to think about is as the south starts to hit their 4th wave which is going to disproportionately hit republicans (way less vaccination plus tend to be older) is some of the purple states might go full blue as many of the republicans seem to trying to kill off their own voters (I have to imagine family members of people who died/ long term issues from covid will also switch but confirmation bias is a powerful force so who knows if there is more than those who just pass away needlessly). Has anything like this ever happened before? It boggles my mind. But these bills are not about winning elections tomorrow. They are about being able to indoctrinate the next generation of potential Republican voters. Which only works if the next government does not put its own bill that is the exact opposite. As Sim pointed out no teacher has to teach this way and most tend to lean away from the far right.
I'm not saying it is a good thing, I'm looking for silver lining of atrocious policy.
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I don't get it. Having the option to not teach about the kkk is like having the option to not talk about the gas chambers. If you need your stupid younglings to know about stuff, just not having that being taught is the best way of ensuring these younglings remain ignorant. Sure, most teachers will not opt out of this history, but those that will will create citizens that do not understand where there are coming from. History is very important. This is not something to shrug about.
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Tennessee is currently clocking in at 38% vaccinated. Republicans still insist the vaccine isn’t partisan
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On July 22 2021 02:02 Mohdoo wrote: Tennessee is currently clocking in at 38% vaccinated. Republicans still insist the vaccine isn’t partisan Republicans are acting ridiculous over getting the vaccine and Democrats are acting like the vaccine has cured the world already and don't care to follow the pre-vaccine safety guidelines. It's horrible in Jacksonville, Fl right now. I've been vaccinated (twice) and still wear a mask indoors and keeps my distance from everyone. Fortunately in my county (which borders Jville), the majority of us still wear masks and keep a pretty good distance from others. July 4th was a disaster though. I'm starting to loathe holidays that generate large gatherings.
I heard on the news this morning, something like 60% of hospitalization cases in England (London?) are patients that have already received at least one vaccination shot. I'll link the article if I can find it. It's exhausting to see people continually let their guard down after receiving a shot.
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On July 22 2021 02:44 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2021 02:02 Mohdoo wrote: Tennessee is currently clocking in at 38% vaccinated. Republicans still insist the vaccine isn’t partisan Republicans are acting ridiculous over getting the vaccine and Democrats are acting like the vaccine has cured the world already and don't care to follow the pre-vaccine safety guidelines. It's horrible in Jacksonville, Fl right now. I've been vaccinated (twice) and still wear a mask indoors and keeps my distance from everyone. Fortunately in my county (which borders Jville), the majority of us still wear masks and keep a pretty good distance from others. July 4th was a disaster though. I'm starting to loathe holidays that generate large gatherings. I heard on the news this morning, something like 60% of hospitalization cases in England (London?) are patients that have already received at least one vaccination shot. I'll link the article if I can find it. It's exhausting to see people continually let their guard down after receiving a shot. UK thing is likely because of single vaccine doses being less effective against Delta compared to other variants.
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On July 22 2021 02:57 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2021 02:44 BisuDagger wrote:On July 22 2021 02:02 Mohdoo wrote: Tennessee is currently clocking in at 38% vaccinated. Republicans still insist the vaccine isn’t partisan Republicans are acting ridiculous over getting the vaccine and Democrats are acting like the vaccine has cured the world already and don't care to follow the pre-vaccine safety guidelines. It's horrible in Jacksonville, Fl right now. I've been vaccinated (twice) and still wear a mask indoors and keeps my distance from everyone. Fortunately in my county (which borders Jville), the majority of us still wear masks and keep a pretty good distance from others. July 4th was a disaster though. I'm starting to loathe holidays that generate large gatherings. I heard on the news this morning, something like 60% of hospitalization cases in England (London?) are patients that have already received at least one vaccination shot. I'll link the article if I can find it. It's exhausting to see people continually let their guard down after receiving a shot. UK thing is likely because of single vaccine doses being less effective against Delta compared to other variants. JnJ is apparently terrible too
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On July 22 2021 02:01 Broetchenholer wrote: I don't get it. Having the option to not teach about the kkk is like having the option to not talk about the gas chambers. If you need your stupid younglings to know about stuff, just not having that being taught is the best way of ensuring these younglings remain ignorant. Sure, most teachers will not opt out of this history, but those that will will create citizens that do not understand where there are coming from. History is very important. This is not something to shrug about. They don't want people to be educated. They want to spoonfeed people misinformation and nationalist propaganda so they can demonize those who want to change the United States for the better. Changing how history is taught and viewed in our education system is a big part of this tactic. Republicans have employed similar attacks before like when they pressured the College Board into changing the AP U.S. History exam to focus less on the negative aspects of American History.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/college-board-rewrites-american-history/2015/07/30/cadadd4c-36d1-11e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
On July 21 2021 06:31 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2021 06:16 Gorsameth wrote:On July 21 2021 05:54 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 05:26 Zambrah wrote:On July 21 2021 04:55 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 04:42 Simberto wrote:On July 21 2021 04:11 Zambrah wrote:Texas passed a bill dropping the requirement for the Ku Klux Klan to be taught as morally wrong. Among other changes to schooling requirements in Texas, the bill also targets MLK's I Have a Dream speech, Susan B. Anthony's writings on women's suffrage, and Native American history. The first one is more immediately alarming, but good lord, America actively trying to make it's people stupider and more vile. I can only say I wish I was surprised, but these are the days of doubling down on the most evil parts of America and it's history. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-senate-education-bill-white-supremacy_n_60f50cf6e4b01f11895b2dc3 Hm. How important is that inpractice? If i understand correctly, this just doesn't force teachers to discuss those things. But it also doesn't force them not to. Pretty much any politics or social stuff teacher i have ever met was pretty left-ish. Is that different in the US? Because if not, the teachers will just keep on teaching those things. I mean, it really sucks as a first step in the wrong direction, but unless the US teachers are substantially different from German ones, it won't immediately have bad effects on the actual teaching in schools. (And as a teacher myself, i obviously prefer anything that gives me more freedom to decide on my own what i teach) Theoretically what you're saying makes sense, but the rules were put in because the opposite was being taught. I think in a huge % it will be like you say but in smaller towns it will not be. It also takes away the ability for admin to discipline or fire a teacher for teaching things many of us would not want our kids taught. It is also kind of scary that the people in power see this as a popular move with their base. Its also the case that many people won't so explicitly state, "The KKK were morally in the right." Like when the Civil War is taught in such a way that slavery isnt REALLY a principle part of why its happened, it's framed as a "states rights" issue in order to make the Confederacy not be the side of literal traitors who fought for the right to keep black people as slaves. I'm worried more about a subtle sanitization of the KKK as "not really that bad" more so than them being taught as "pretty good actually." Wouldn't be surprised for plenty of people to skip straight to "the KKK was pretty good actually" immediately though, given the state of things. I guess we will see, I'm starting to see more and more articles about the Alamo that are not "bad Mexicans trying to take Murica" and many more about how the Mexican government was trying to outlaw slavery and the Americans who immigrated were fighting them because they wanted to keep it and protect their cotton profits. Sometimes these bills create the unintended consequence of huge push back. I'm not confident but some of this stuff that plays well with a small crowd plays really really bad with the independents and is the battle cry to get the polls for the rest of the dems. I would be interested in how it plays with Hispanics who many do vote Republican. The other morbid to think about is as the south starts to hit their 4th wave which is going to disproportionately hit republicans (way less vaccination plus tend to be older) is some of the purple states might go full blue as many of the republicans seem to trying to kill off their own voters (I have to imagine family members of people who died/ long term issues from covid will also switch but confirmation bias is a powerful force so who knows if there is more than those who just pass away needlessly). Has anything like this ever happened before? It boggles my mind. But these bills are not about winning elections tomorrow. They are about being able to indoctrinate the next generation of potential Republican voters. Which only works if the next government does not put its own bill that is the exact opposite. As Sim pointed out no teacher has to teach this way and most tend to lean away from the far right. I'm not saying it is a good thing, I'm looking for silver lining of atrocious policy. Perhaps we’re better served not looking for a silver lining. It is what it is an the intent of the legislation is as important as its implementation
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On July 22 2021 06:33 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2021 06:31 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 06:16 Gorsameth wrote:On July 21 2021 05:54 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 05:26 Zambrah wrote:On July 21 2021 04:55 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2021 04:42 Simberto wrote:On July 21 2021 04:11 Zambrah wrote:Texas passed a bill dropping the requirement for the Ku Klux Klan to be taught as morally wrong. Among other changes to schooling requirements in Texas, the bill also targets MLK's I Have a Dream speech, Susan B. Anthony's writings on women's suffrage, and Native American history. The first one is more immediately alarming, but good lord, America actively trying to make it's people stupider and more vile. I can only say I wish I was surprised, but these are the days of doubling down on the most evil parts of America and it's history. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-senate-education-bill-white-supremacy_n_60f50cf6e4b01f11895b2dc3 Hm. How important is that inpractice? If i understand correctly, this just doesn't force teachers to discuss those things. But it also doesn't force them not to. Pretty much any politics or social stuff teacher i have ever met was pretty left-ish. Is that different in the US? Because if not, the teachers will just keep on teaching those things. I mean, it really sucks as a first step in the wrong direction, but unless the US teachers are substantially different from German ones, it won't immediately have bad effects on the actual teaching in schools. (And as a teacher myself, i obviously prefer anything that gives me more freedom to decide on my own what i teach) Theoretically what you're saying makes sense, but the rules were put in because the opposite was being taught. I think in a huge % it will be like you say but in smaller towns it will not be. It also takes away the ability for admin to discipline or fire a teacher for teaching things many of us would not want our kids taught. It is also kind of scary that the people in power see this as a popular move with their base. Its also the case that many people won't so explicitly state, "The KKK were morally in the right." Like when the Civil War is taught in such a way that slavery isnt REALLY a principle part of why its happened, it's framed as a "states rights" issue in order to make the Confederacy not be the side of literal traitors who fought for the right to keep black people as slaves. I'm worried more about a subtle sanitization of the KKK as "not really that bad" more so than them being taught as "pretty good actually." Wouldn't be surprised for plenty of people to skip straight to "the KKK was pretty good actually" immediately though, given the state of things. I guess we will see, I'm starting to see more and more articles about the Alamo that are not "bad Mexicans trying to take Murica" and many more about how the Mexican government was trying to outlaw slavery and the Americans who immigrated were fighting them because they wanted to keep it and protect their cotton profits. Sometimes these bills create the unintended consequence of huge push back. I'm not confident but some of this stuff that plays well with a small crowd plays really really bad with the independents and is the battle cry to get the polls for the rest of the dems. I would be interested in how it plays with Hispanics who many do vote Republican. The other morbid to think about is as the south starts to hit their 4th wave which is going to disproportionately hit republicans (way less vaccination plus tend to be older) is some of the purple states might go full blue as many of the republicans seem to trying to kill off their own voters (I have to imagine family members of people who died/ long term issues from covid will also switch but confirmation bias is a powerful force so who knows if there is more than those who just pass away needlessly). Has anything like this ever happened before? It boggles my mind. But these bills are not about winning elections tomorrow. They are about being able to indoctrinate the next generation of potential Republican voters. Which only works if the next government does not put its own bill that is the exact opposite. As Sim pointed out no teacher has to teach this way and most tend to lean away from the far right. I'm not saying it is a good thing, I'm looking for silver lining of atrocious policy. Perhaps we’re better served not looking for a silver lining. It is what it is an the intent of the legislation is as important as its implementation Trying to turn a negative into a positive is something you can actually do. You can use this to fire up people to move against it.
Intent certainly matters I wish people would take it into account more both in politics and day to day, but it in no way counters my point.
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On July 22 2021 04:26 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2021 02:01 Broetchenholer wrote: I don't get it. Having the option to not teach about the kkk is like having the option to not talk about the gas chambers. If you need your stupid younglings to know about stuff, just not having that being taught is the best way of ensuring these younglings remain ignorant. Sure, most teachers will not opt out of this history, but those that will will create citizens that do not understand where there are coming from. History is very important. This is not something to shrug about. They don't want people to be educated. They want to spoonfeed people misinformation and nationalist propaganda so they can demonize those who want to change the United States for the better. Changing how history is taught and viewed in our education system is a big part of this tactic. Republicans have employed similar attacks before like when they pressured the College Board into changing the AP U.S. History exam to focus less on the negative aspects of American History. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/college-board-rewrites-american-history/2015/07/30/cadadd4c-36d1-11e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html
People in the US are far more indoctrinated than they recognize. Cuba, slavery/reconstruction, and The Alamo are some of the lies/indoctrination being confronted currently (though the pushback has demonstrated not everyone is ready to confront that propaganda).
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On July 22 2021 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2021 04:26 StasisField wrote:On July 22 2021 02:01 Broetchenholer wrote: I don't get it. Having the option to not teach about the kkk is like having the option to not talk about the gas chambers. If you need your stupid younglings to know about stuff, just not having that being taught is the best way of ensuring these younglings remain ignorant. Sure, most teachers will not opt out of this history, but those that will will create citizens that do not understand where there are coming from. History is very important. This is not something to shrug about. They don't want people to be educated. They want to spoonfeed people misinformation and nationalist propaganda so they can demonize those who want to change the United States for the better. Changing how history is taught and viewed in our education system is a big part of this tactic. Republicans have employed similar attacks before like when they pressured the College Board into changing the AP U.S. History exam to focus less on the negative aspects of American History. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/college-board-rewrites-american-history/2015/07/30/cadadd4c-36d1-11e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html People in the US are far more indoctrinated than they recognize. Cuba, slavery/reconstruction, and The Alamo are some of the lies/indoctrination being confronted currently (though the pushback has demonstrated not everyone is ready to confront that propaganda). Care to expand on Cuba, what is being taught is propaganda?
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Noooooooo, JimmiC and GH are about to get in yet another pissing contest for pages to come.
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On July 22 2021 12:48 Uldridge wrote: Noooooooo, JimmiC and GH are about to get in yet another pissing contest for pages to come. Nooooooo another low content, passive aggressive shit post from Uldridge!
There could be propaganda about Cuba taught in the US, there is for the other examples GH brought up. I'm not aware of anything about Cuba so I asked. The thing with propaganda is the US does not hold exclusive rights to it. Dictatorships love it as well so without knowing the specifics and looking into it, it is hard to know. It is very common for dictators to claim anything bad about them is propaganda, but it is also very possible that their is some big falsehoods being taught.
The first rule of this thread is "show, don't tell" asking GH politely to follow the basic rule is not inappropriate.
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I didn't really find it passive aggressive as it blatently says what you two are about to indulge in, but perhaps I'm not up to date with the current TLUSPMT meta, so I apologize if you guys are best buds now and you weren't baiting him into one of your hypersemantic discussions (this was slightly passive aggressive).
To answer your post from a philosophical standpoint though - because I don't know nearly enough about America ajd its past: history is written by the victors; why wouldn't the USA feed propaganda about Cuba as it has that historical/current big bad communist narrative surrounding it.
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
On July 22 2021 12:48 Uldridge wrote: Noooooooo, JimmiC and GH are about to get in yet another pissing contest for pages to come. It’s been too long, pumped for this.
I’m unsure how much schooling impacts propaganda, it plays a part desire and can definitely enact/counteract some specific narratives. There’s neither the time, nor to some degree the space due to accommodating a wide range of abilities to do much but a surface level simplification of history, never mind doing any kind of deep dive on systemic questions.
At least in Western countries that I’m familiar with the propaganda layer floats atop society as a whole as national myth and is reflected and reinforced pretty heavily by news and entertainment media.
In that sense the US seems more propagandised than most, for example I don’t think it’s coincidental that police procedurals are so popular, and there’s a militarised police force many people resist even the most cursory reforms of
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On July 22 2021 23:41 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2021 12:48 Uldridge wrote: Noooooooo, JimmiC and GH are about to get in yet another pissing contest for pages to come. It’s been too long, pumped for this. I’m unsure how much schooling impacts propaganda, it plays a part desire and can definitely enact/counteract some specific narratives. There’s neither the time, nor to some degree the space due to accommodating a wide range of abilities to do much but a surface level simplification of history, never mind doing any kind of deep dive on systemic questions. At least in Western countries that I’m familiar with the propaganda layer floats atop society as a whole as national myth and is reflected and reinforced pretty heavily by news and entertainment media. In that sense the US seems more propagandised than most, for example I don’t think it’s coincidental that police procedurals are so popular, and there’s a militarised police force many people resist even the most cursory reforms of A weird thing I noticed, without wanting to pile on Americans, is an attitude to their own country that I've never seen anywhere else in the world. Some Americans don't just think that America is the greatest country in the world, but expect everyone else to think that too, and are genuinely confused and angry if anyone disagrees. That, to me, is a sign of some pretty deep brainwashing.
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
On July 22 2021 23:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2021 23:41 WombaT wrote:On July 22 2021 12:48 Uldridge wrote: Noooooooo, JimmiC and GH are about to get in yet another pissing contest for pages to come. It’s been too long, pumped for this. I’m unsure how much schooling impacts propaganda, it plays a part desire and can definitely enact/counteract some specific narratives. There’s neither the time, nor to some degree the space due to accommodating a wide range of abilities to do much but a surface level simplification of history, never mind doing any kind of deep dive on systemic questions. At least in Western countries that I’m familiar with the propaganda layer floats atop society as a whole as national myth and is reflected and reinforced pretty heavily by news and entertainment media. In that sense the US seems more propagandised than most, for example I don’t think it’s coincidental that police procedurals are so popular, and there’s a militarised police force many people resist even the most cursory reforms of A weird thing I noticed, without wanting to pile on Americans, is an attitude to their own country that I've never seen anywhere else in the world. Some Americans don't just think that America is the greatest country in the world, but expect everyone else to think that too, and are genuinely confused and angry if anyone disagrees. That, to me, is a sign of some pretty deep brainwashing. Wouldn’t want to bash my Yank brethren wholesale of course, but yes that would be an observation I would also have made.
Healthcare being a super obvious one, some will treat universal healthcare as some hypothetical that isn’t feasible, despite it being implemented all over the place. Or will concede their existence but claim things like the only reason other countries can afford it is that America shoulders all the expensive RnD of drugs or what have you. Or they’ll go on about waiting lists as if that’s worse than like, people dying for lack of healthcare.
America is either the greatest, or when it isn’t in a demonstrable fashion there’s always some uniquely American reason that what works elsewhere can’t be implemented in the good old US of A.
That said I think in the U.K. a similar mentality is starting to be more prevalent, especially in England. One thing can be said for the American variant is their country is a bona fide superpower for all its flaws, the U.K. demonstrably isn’t.
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On July 22 2021 23:34 Uldridge wrote: I didn't really find it passive aggressive as it blatently says what you two are about to indulge in, but perhaps I'm not up to date with the current TLUSPMT meta, so I apologize if you guys are best buds now and you weren't baiting him into one of your hypersemantic discussions (this was slightly passive aggressive).
To answer your post from a philosophical standpoint though - because I don't know nearly enough about America ajd its past: history is written by the victors; why wouldn't the USA feed propaganda about Cuba as it has that historical/current big bad communist narrative surrounding it. I guess treating a negative assumption as a fact would be more accurate than passive aggressive. My point was you are acting as if we were the problem, while yourself being the problem. You were adding no value and being an dick.
And to your second paragraph, great another assumption, I could assume the same thing. I'd rather ask and find out, the other examples, especially the Alamo lead to me reading into it a lot and learning many things I did not know before. Maybe there are things like that about Cuba I have not found out yet, or maybe it is the Cuban dictators yelling propaganda well they live in luxury and their people suffer. This is why I didn't say "NO THEY DON'T", because I don't know. That you assumed that is what my question meant is on you not me.
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