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On May 28 2021 21:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2021 16:24 Erasme wrote:On May 28 2021 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On May 27 2021 19:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On May 27 2021 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Really happy to see the left starting to embrace investigating chinese covid lab stuff. So much smoke. The hopsitalized researchers in earlier in the year is a huge red flag. My wife is a microbiology researcher and she is very outraged by the whole thing. She sees this as the most cut and dry case of lab incompetence you can ever see. Its honestly weird to me there aren't already sanctions on China. What's the full story? Was there malicious intent or were some researchers just mishandling hazardous substances? In the eyes of my wife, stuff like this simply happens sometimes, which is why there are lots of things in place to prevent like 8 different levels of stupidity. She doesn't think it was necessarily intentional. There are allll sorts of stories you can hear about close calls all over the world. However, China is widely known for being negligent and generally a lot worse at conducting science ethically. So for this to have happened isn't surprising. There's a much higher chance of it coming from wet markets/the wild than a lab. The virus wasn't engineered, nor was it touched by human hands. I'll wait for more proofs before making such allegations. Being studied in a lab is not the same as bio chemistry engineered. Tons of labs all over the world study nature viruses. It can be a lab leak without it being a weapon
Yes, and as much as I'd like China's laboratories to be as shitty as their shirts, it's not the case. Meanwhile you have the perfect breeding ground of viruses in rural china. The odds are simply against it.
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On May 28 2021 03:14 plasmidghost wrote:
Well, I can share some good news for me in that the Texas legislature failed to pass any of the proposed anti-trans bills. I can breathe a tiny bit easier going forward, but we can't stop pushing so that they don't happen anywhere else.
I have never talked to a trans person in my life. They are so few, I can't understand why they can't just be left alone to live their lives and do their things. You need to carefully regulate who gets operations, but that is a medical issue, not a political one.
I am disappointed they are so determined to create a problem where there isn't one just to fire up prejuidice among their consituents.
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On May 28 2021 23:19 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2021 03:14 plasmidghost wrote:
Well, I can share some good news for me in that the Texas legislature failed to pass any of the proposed anti-trans bills. I can breathe a tiny bit easier going forward, but we can't stop pushing so that they don't happen anywhere else. I have never talked to a trans person in my life. They are so few, I can't understand why they can't just be left alone to live their lives and do their things. You need to carefully regulate who gets operations, but that is a medical issue, not a political one. I am disappointed they are so determined to create a problem where there isn't one just to fire up prejuidice among their consituents.
As always, this is this weird issue where a nonissue becomes an issue because some people decide to be assholes about it.
I don't understand why simply letting people who have no impact on you live their lives is so controversial.
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On May 28 2021 21:59 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2021 21:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 28 2021 16:24 Erasme wrote:On May 28 2021 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On May 27 2021 19:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On May 27 2021 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Really happy to see the left starting to embrace investigating chinese covid lab stuff. So much smoke. The hopsitalized researchers in earlier in the year is a huge red flag. My wife is a microbiology researcher and she is very outraged by the whole thing. She sees this as the most cut and dry case of lab incompetence you can ever see. Its honestly weird to me there aren't already sanctions on China. What's the full story? Was there malicious intent or were some researchers just mishandling hazardous substances? In the eyes of my wife, stuff like this simply happens sometimes, which is why there are lots of things in place to prevent like 8 different levels of stupidity. She doesn't think it was necessarily intentional. There are allll sorts of stories you can hear about close calls all over the world. However, China is widely known for being negligent and generally a lot worse at conducting science ethically. So for this to have happened isn't surprising. There's a much higher chance of it coming from wet markets/the wild than a lab. The virus wasn't engineered, nor was it touched by human hands. I'll wait for more proofs before making such allegations. Being studied in a lab is not the same as bio chemistry engineered. Tons of labs all over the world study nature viruses. It can be a lab leak without it being a weapon Yes, and as much as I'd like China's laboratories to be as shitty as their shirts, it's not the case. Meanwhile you have the perfect breeding ground of viruses in rural china. The odds are simply against it.
Their labs are not as shitty as their shirts, but their expertise, knowledge and scientific culture make them extremely deficient. They have plenty of successes here and there because its 1,400,000,000 people but there is extremely widespread fraud, safety violations and all other sort of stuff.
For anyone who has had a younger sibling: You know how it a younger sibling hates the fact that you're better than them at everything their entire life? So they always try to find these janky ways to beat you at something? That's China's R&D.
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On May 28 2021 23:49 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2021 21:59 Erasme wrote:On May 28 2021 21:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 28 2021 16:24 Erasme wrote:On May 28 2021 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On May 27 2021 19:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On May 27 2021 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Really happy to see the left starting to embrace investigating chinese covid lab stuff. So much smoke. The hopsitalized researchers in earlier in the year is a huge red flag. My wife is a microbiology researcher and she is very outraged by the whole thing. She sees this as the most cut and dry case of lab incompetence you can ever see. Its honestly weird to me there aren't already sanctions on China. What's the full story? Was there malicious intent or were some researchers just mishandling hazardous substances? In the eyes of my wife, stuff like this simply happens sometimes, which is why there are lots of things in place to prevent like 8 different levels of stupidity. She doesn't think it was necessarily intentional. There are allll sorts of stories you can hear about close calls all over the world. However, China is widely known for being negligent and generally a lot worse at conducting science ethically. So for this to have happened isn't surprising. There's a much higher chance of it coming from wet markets/the wild than a lab. The virus wasn't engineered, nor was it touched by human hands. I'll wait for more proofs before making such allegations. Being studied in a lab is not the same as bio chemistry engineered. Tons of labs all over the world study nature viruses. It can be a lab leak without it being a weapon Yes, and as much as I'd like China's laboratories to be as shitty as their shirts, it's not the case. Meanwhile you have the perfect breeding ground of viruses in rural china. The odds are simply against it. Their labs are not as shitty as their shirts, but their expertise, knowledge and scientific culture make them extremely deficient. They have plenty of successes here and there because its 1,400,000,000 people but there is extremely widespread fraud, safety violations and all other sort of stuff. For anyone who has had a younger sibling: You know how it a younger sibling hates the fact that you're better than them at everything their entire life? So they always try to find these janky ways to beat you at something? That's China's R&D.
China is a four thousand year old civilization that invented paper, writing, gunpowder and so forth. I get that they’re motivated by a desire to recover from the century of shame but I suspect that comparison wouldn’t go down well with the Chinese.
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On May 29 2021 01:18 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2021 23:49 Mohdoo wrote:On May 28 2021 21:59 Erasme wrote:On May 28 2021 21:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 28 2021 16:24 Erasme wrote:On May 28 2021 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On May 27 2021 19:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On May 27 2021 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Really happy to see the left starting to embrace investigating chinese covid lab stuff. So much smoke. The hopsitalized researchers in earlier in the year is a huge red flag. My wife is a microbiology researcher and she is very outraged by the whole thing. She sees this as the most cut and dry case of lab incompetence you can ever see. Its honestly weird to me there aren't already sanctions on China. What's the full story? Was there malicious intent or were some researchers just mishandling hazardous substances? In the eyes of my wife, stuff like this simply happens sometimes, which is why there are lots of things in place to prevent like 8 different levels of stupidity. She doesn't think it was necessarily intentional. There are allll sorts of stories you can hear about close calls all over the world. However, China is widely known for being negligent and generally a lot worse at conducting science ethically. So for this to have happened isn't surprising. There's a much higher chance of it coming from wet markets/the wild than a lab. The virus wasn't engineered, nor was it touched by human hands. I'll wait for more proofs before making such allegations. Being studied in a lab is not the same as bio chemistry engineered. Tons of labs all over the world study nature viruses. It can be a lab leak without it being a weapon Yes, and as much as I'd like China's laboratories to be as shitty as their shirts, it's not the case. Meanwhile you have the perfect breeding ground of viruses in rural china. The odds are simply against it. Their labs are not as shitty as their shirts, but their expertise, knowledge and scientific culture make them extremely deficient. They have plenty of successes here and there because its 1,400,000,000 people but there is extremely widespread fraud, safety violations and all other sort of stuff. For anyone who has had a younger sibling: You know how it a younger sibling hates the fact that you're better than them at everything their entire life? So they always try to find these janky ways to beat you at something? That's China's R&D. China is a four thousand year old civilization that invented paper, writing, gunpowder and so forth. I get that they’re motivated by a desire to recover from the century of shame but I suspect that comparison wouldn’t go down well with the Chinese.
I wouldn't say I am even remotely interested in those nationalistic sensitivities. Its all 9 billion % true. Tons of people die every year from their negligence and arrogance. Tons of time is wasted trying to reproduce their bullshit.
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The vote to start the 1/6 investigation has failed in the Senate. To be expected with the filibuster still solidly in place and Republicans showing about as much movement as a constipated bowel. The first months of Biden's presidency were an impressive start, but it looks like we're not getting much of anywhere else until the filibuster gets gutted. We can't even agree that a coup on our capitol is worth investigating.
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On May 29 2021 02:03 NewSunshine wrote:
The vote to start the 1/6 investigation has failed in the Senate. To be expected with the filibuster still solidly in place and Republicans showing about as much movement as a constipated bowel. The first months of Biden's presidency were an impressive start, but it looks like we're not getting much of anywhere else until the filibuster gets gutted. We can't even agree that a coup on our capitol is worth investigating. Its easy not to agree on that when half the Senate fanned the flames that lead to an armed insurrection storming the Capitol.
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On May 29 2021 02:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 02:03 NewSunshine wrote:
The vote to start the 1/6 investigation has failed in the Senate. To be expected with the filibuster still solidly in place and Republicans showing about as much movement as a constipated bowel. The first months of Biden's presidency were an impressive start, but it looks like we're not getting much of anywhere else until the filibuster gets gutted. We can't even agree that a coup on our capitol is worth investigating. Its easy not to agree on that when half the Senate fanned the flames that lead to an armed insurrection storming the Capitol.
For sure, House Republicans knew that when they voted to give it bipartisan support there. They knew it was never going to make it through the Senate. They don't want the investigation because they're complicit. But they're in the minority, and they shouldn't get to have their way now of all times. There's still a price to pay for what they pulled.
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I think Democrats used the 1/6 commission as a martyr for the filibuster. Its all about demonizing the fillibuster so they can pass the infrastructure package. They lose 2022 without that bill.
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On May 29 2021 02:14 Mohdoo wrote:
I think Democrats used the 1/6 commission as a martyr for the filibuster. Its all about demonizing the fillibuster so they can pass the infrastructure package. They lose 2022 without that bill.
All comes down to Manchin and Sinema.
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On May 29 2021 02:10 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 02:06 Gorsameth wrote:On May 29 2021 02:03 NewSunshine wrote:
The vote to start the 1/6 investigation has failed in the Senate. To be expected with the filibuster still solidly in place and Republicans showing about as much movement as a constipated bowel. The first months of Biden's presidency were an impressive start, but it looks like we're not getting much of anywhere else until the filibuster gets gutted. We can't even agree that a coup on our capitol is worth investigating. Its easy not to agree on that when half the Senate fanned the flames that lead to an armed insurrection storming the Capitol. For sure, House Republicans knew that when they voted to give it bipartisan support there. They knew it was never going to make it through the Senate. They don't want the investigation because they're complicit. But they're in the minority, and they shouldn't get to have their way now of all times. There's still a price to pay for what they pulled. If it comes it will have to be via to DoJ and the 400+ cases against the insurrectionists.
And the GoP doesn't have anything to say in that matter for atleast another 3.5 years.
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I won't be surprised if Democrats manage to fail to eliminate the filibuster (or pass anything substantive outside of reconciliation) until just before they lose a majority or not at all.
Apparently the plan is to spend another month dicking around not passing anything negotiating bipartisan dead end legislation.
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On May 29 2021 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I won't be surprised if Democrats manage to fail to eliminate the filibuster (or pass anything substantive outside of reconciliation) until just before they lose a majority or not at all.
Apparently the plan is to spend another month dicking around not passing anything negotiating bipartisan dead end legislation.
If this ends up like the covid bill, I don't mind. They negotiated longer than I wanted, but in the end, the bill was fine and it got passed. If they do the same negotiation theater again, i'm not bothered. But I need results.
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On May 29 2021 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I won't be surprised if Democrats manage to fail to eliminate the filibuster (or pass anything substantive outside of reconciliation) until just before they lose a majority or not at all.
Apparently the plan is to spend another month dicking around not passing anything negotiating bipartisan dead end legislation. If this ends up like the covid bill, I don't mind. They negotiated longer than I wanted, but in the end, the bill was fine and it got passed. If they do the same negotiation theater again, i'm not bothered. But I need results.
What some needed from the covid bill wasn't exactly reflective of what the people who needed it most needed out of it. If one was just looking for a check to spend on entertainment, all the theater and the content of the bill is easily acceptable. If one's economic survival was more or less contingent on provisions that were conceded in the theater, then not so much.
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On May 29 2021 02:56 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On May 29 2021 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I won't be surprised if Democrats manage to fail to eliminate the filibuster (or pass anything substantive outside of reconciliation) until just before they lose a majority or not at all.
Apparently the plan is to spend another month dicking around not passing anything negotiating bipartisan dead end legislation. If this ends up like the covid bill, I don't mind. They negotiated longer than I wanted, but in the end, the bill was fine and it got passed. If they do the same negotiation theater again, i'm not bothered. But I need results. What some needed from the covid bill wasn't exactly reflective of what the people who needed it most needed out of it. If one was just looking for a check to spend on entertainment, all the theater and the content of the bill is easily acceptable. If one's economic survival was more or less contingent on provisions that were conceded in the theater, then not so much.
We've had this conversation more times than the number of particles in the universe, so I will just say: I wanted more and I hope we get more.
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On May 29 2021 02:57 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 02:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 29 2021 02:20 Mohdoo wrote:On May 29 2021 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I won't be surprised if Democrats manage to fail to eliminate the filibuster (or pass anything substantive outside of reconciliation) until just before they lose a majority or not at all.
Apparently the plan is to spend another month dicking around not passing anything negotiating bipartisan dead end legislation. If this ends up like the covid bill, I don't mind. They negotiated longer than I wanted, but in the end, the bill was fine and it got passed. If they do the same negotiation theater again, i'm not bothered. But I need results. What some needed from the covid bill wasn't exactly reflective of what the people who needed it most needed out of it. If one was just looking for a check to spend on entertainment, all the theater and the content of the bill is easily acceptable. If one's economic survival was more or less contingent on provisions that were conceded in the theater, then not so much. We've had this conversation more times than the number of particles in the universe, so I will just say: I wanted more and I hope we get more.
My point is that there are people who need more than what others that are more comfortable under/with the status quo are willing to accept (or want and hope for)
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On May 29 2021 02:16 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 02:14 Mohdoo wrote:
I think Democrats used the 1/6 commission as a martyr for the filibuster. Its all about demonizing the fillibuster so they can pass the infrastructure package. They lose 2022 without that bill. All comes down to Manchin and Sinema.
Manchin put out a very strong video (for him) on the subject of the commission where he rails against it in pretty loaded terms. I'm reading it as him trying communicate that this is his red line.
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On May 29 2021 04:53 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2021 02:16 farvacola wrote:On May 29 2021 02:14 Mohdoo wrote:
I think Democrats used the 1/6 commission as a martyr for the filibuster. Its all about demonizing the fillibuster so they can pass the infrastructure package. They lose 2022 without that bill. All comes down to Manchin and Sinema. Manchin put out a very strong video (for him) on the subject of the commission where he rails against it in pretty loaded terms. I'm reading it as him trying communicate that this is his red line.
I saw that video too and I sure hope you’re right.
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