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Biff The Understudy
France7950 Posts
That's for regular hunting. People who see a giraffe, a lion, an elephant, a rhino, or any of those amazing animals that are almost extincts and think that the best they can do with the encounter is to shoot them and hang their head in the living room are probably the saddest losers I can think of. The fact they pay the price of a small house for the honour makes me despise them twice more. | ||
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Archeon
3261 Posts
On April 28 2021 21:59 JimmiC wrote: This is true for pretty much everything, from booze, pot, abortion and so on. Making it illegal creates a black market sending the money to bad places but does not stop it. With a legal avenue it still happens but you can regulate and have the money go to a better spot. As much as people like to pretend that making things illegal will stop it, it simply does not. Making something illegal means you have to jump over more hurdles to get it. The people that really want to will always find a way, but the people that are mildly interested will often think that it's too bothersome or dangerous to pursue. As a result the market shrinks and less animals would be killed. On the flipside if it's illegal anyways you see more terrible shit happening on the side because controls aren't happening. Not that controls always stop atrocities, sometimes like f.e. in the meat industry the lobbyists are simply undermining the control mechanisms until they basically don't exist anymore. Imo it's a case by case decision and the main question behind it is whether or not there is substantial damage being done to someone/something in a substantially regulated case. Take prostitution f.e. where possibilities exist that nobody is harmed, while the criminalized version can involve abductions and basically slavery and destroy lives. Compare it to f.e. child prostitution that's always harmful and it's easy to see why it's better to criminalize the latter so you make the market smaller and can build a threat to limit access. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
Here's an article from CNBC titled "How Biden’s capital gains proposal may hit middle-class home sellers in red-hot markets". Despite the headline, the article correctly points out two key facts, that Biden's capital gains increase will only impact households with an AGI of a million dollars or more, and that capital gains resulting from the sale of a residence are excluded up to 250k for single filers and 500k for married filers. So, in order for a married filer to take a hit from Biden's cap gains proposal in relation to the sale of their residence, that couple would need to realize over 500k in gain from the sale of the home and make at least 500k in income from other sources. Regardless of the definition used, that ain't middle class lol | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11713 Posts
On April 28 2021 23:37 farvacola wrote: Biden's push for tax increases of various kinds has the anti-tax propaganda machine kicking into overdrive. Let's take a look at an example of how fucking dumb these efforts can be. Here's an article from CNBC titled "How Biden’s capital gains proposal may hit middle-class home sellers in red-hot markets". Despite the headline, the article correctly points out two key facts, that Biden's capital gains increase will only impact households with an AGI of a million dollars or more, and that capital gains resulting from the sale of a residence are excluded up to 250k for single filers and 500k for married filers. So, in order for a married filer to take a hit from Biden's cap gains proposal in relation to the sale of their residence, that couple would need to realize over 500k in gain from the sale of the home and make at least 500k in income from other sources. Regardless of the definition used, that ain't middle class lol And how many people in the target demographic actually read that, and didn't just stop reading and start angrily commenting after "tax hike"? Billionaires are gonna use their influence to convince poor people that a tax hike for billionaires will hurt the poor people. And in the US, they have trained their marks very well. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On April 28 2021 23:45 Simberto wrote: And how many people in the target demographic actually read that, and didn't just stop reading and start angrily commenting after "tax hike"? Billionaires are gonna use their influence to convince poor people that a tax hike for billionaires will hurt the poor people. And in the US, they have trained their marks very well. Absolutely, the authors and editors at CNBC know full well that the majority of people who come across that article will read only the headline. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8683 Posts
On April 28 2021 23:53 farvacola wrote: Absolutely, the authors and editors at CNBC know full well that the majority of people who come across that article will read only the headline. guys you got it all wrong. middle class is literally anything below having a net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars - or more. you just have to keep that in mind! | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8683 Posts
NEW YORK — Federal agents executed a search warrant Wednesday at the Manhattan home of Rudolph W. Giuliani for the seizure of his electronic devices as part of a long-running investigation into whether the one-time New York mayor and attorney for former president Donald Trump acted as an unregistered foreign agent, according to people familiar with the matter. Such a search involving a high-profile lawyer marks a dramatic step forward in the probe, which has centered around Giuliani’s activities involving Ukraine and whether he sought to influence U.S. policy toward that country. Two Giuliani associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, were charged with campaign finance violations in 2019 by federal prosecutors in New York. Giuliani could not immediately be reached for comment. Robert Costello, a lawyer for Giuliani, confirmed via text message that a search warrant for Guiliani’s devices had been executed. A spokesman for Trump did not immediately reply to a request for comment. The development was first reported by the New York Times. This is a developing story and will be updated. quite the development. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15726 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22048 Posts
On April 29 2021 03:44 Mohdoo wrote: I imagine FB and Youtube are a lot more scared of being forcibly regulated or suffer penalties if the US or EU gets tired of the bullshit while Reddit feels more safe from financial penalty and assumes they are big enough to avoid getting banned.I'm surprised Reddit and Spotify aren't cracking down more on anti-vax stuff. /r/conservative and /r/conspiracy are basically mirrors of each other and just post a bunch of anti-vax stuff. Then of course there is Joe Rogan saying people under 20 shouldn't get vaccinated. After how hard Youtube, FB etc cracked down on anti-vax, seems weird others aren't. No clue for Spotify tho. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On April 28 2021 20:31 Liquid`Drone wrote: Person could have paid the same amount without killing the Rhino. I mean your last sentence adresses this, but I'm gonna state that if someone cares about preservation of endangered species, they're not gonna pay a lot of money to kill them, and without listening to that pod cast, I can't imagine the guy presenting an argument that would sway my opinion in this regard. However, I can understand that people charged with the preservation of species will allow rich jerks to take part in trophy hunting if it helps them out. Yep there's no way around the line of reasoning that if they were really doing it for the conservation they could just write a check without going to kill the rhino. They just want to be guided in front of an unsuspecting animal by a guide and shoot it between the eyes so they can feel like a man. This line of discussion comes up in the podcast and to the hunter's credit he admits it's not just about conservation and he just likes to hunt. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
I can imagine something ilke an independent panel from science, society, faith that develops moderation guidelines and oversees the implementation. Ultimately some things like Trump winning the election, vaccines microchipping you and other malicious lies are rather easily detected. However the connection between eat the rich and your idea of regulation came to be in your view, you might have to check twice whether it's not a fantasy of yours you wanna rage about. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On April 29 2021 02:58 Doublemint wrote: Federal agents execute search warrant at Rudy Giuliani’s home@WaPo quite the development. Maybe they’ll be able to get Rudeboi to flip, that would be something. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On April 29 2021 05:43 Artisreal wrote: It' a big assumptio that FB will be let to self regulate. I can imagine something ilke an independent panel from science, society, faith that develops moderation guidelines and oversees the implementation. Ultimately some things like Trump winning the election, vaccines microchipping you and other malicious lies are rather easily detected. However the connection between eat the rich and your idea of regulation came to be in your view, you might have to check twice whether it's not a fantasy of yours you wanna rage about. Do you not know that this is already happening? These tech companies are already purging things they deem to be untruthful or offensive and the criticism from my friends is that they should be doing even more. They aren't even doing a good job at it because it's probably largely automated. A few weeks ago an interview between 2 chess youtubers that I follow on youtube was deleted because it contained words like "white" "black" "attack." Hilarious. I also find it kind of odd that "faith" would be on your panel to regulate truthfulness on the internet. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10268 Posts
On April 29 2021 06:19 BlackJack wrote: Do you not know that this is already happening? These tech companies are already purging things they deem to be untruthful or offensive and the criticism from my friends is that they should be doing even more. They aren't even doing a good job at it because it's probably largely automated. A few weeks ago an interview between 2 chess youtubers that I follow on youtube was deleted because it contained words like "white" "black" "attack." Hilarious. I also find it kind of odd that "faith" would be on your panel to regulate truthfulness on the internet. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-cheerleader-first-amendment/2021/04/25/9d2ac1e2-9eb7-11eb-b7a8-014b14aeb9e4_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com Reminds me of this interesting case that is coming up to the Supreme Court soon. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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