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On January 17 2021 11:35 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 11:22 iamthedave wrote:On January 17 2021 07:58 Zambrah wrote:
On one hand, many of these people are blatantly incompetent jackasses, so I could see them trying to keep everything the same and just have a tight security perimeter. On the other hand all it takes is that one competent bastard with a sniper rifle to down Biden, so I really think it'd be smart to do something like bullet proof glass, or some sort of anti-firearm equivalent.
However, I think Biden will strive to maintain norms as much as possible, I think its really likely we're going to see the tight security perimeter and that will be it. Biden is going to want to put the insurrection behind us for the sake of unity and going through his inauguration in a glass bubble is going to scream, "Im afraid the Republican's voters are going to kill me," and that likely wouldn't send the most UNITY! message. Purely as a thought experiment - because I also think the chances of it actually happening are zero - what do you think would be the consequences if a Trumpeter actually did assassinate Biden at the inauguration? I honestly dont think we'd see any serious consequences. We'd probably see the assassinate locked up for life, along with anyone in any sort of immediate gang, but I think that overall politics would continue on the track its on now, which reads to me a lot like, "we're going to try and move past this for business as usual."
Yeah, I think we'd get a lot of politicians from both sides giving an empty "this is not who we are as a people" speech and that'd be the end of it, really.
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On January 17 2021 11:16 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/ I actually do believe so, yes. I'm not of the opinion that "people wouldn't do that" - i've come to expect nothing that requires a brain from right wing nutjobs. Guards won't stop bullets. They might in fact become a target, much like the guards at the capitol.
Believe what you want.These national guard troops are armed.Theres 25,000.Roads around there are all blocked with checkpoints.
Good luck getting a sniper rifle in and a position where you get a good shot in.
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On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/
Also add in the SORT teams from federal prisons, as they are locking down (again) which frees up that staff to aid in inauguration security if they decide to do so. Not a large amount but that's potentially about 1,800 to add to the group.
Locking down also ties into the potential "what if"s of fuckery happening on inauguration day. More difficult to initiate a prison riot with no time outside of a cell, alternatively it also leaves those facilities more vulnerable if something does happen and their response teams are elsewhere. I can't really speculate on whether inmates would give much of a shit about someone being assassinated in the capitol though, but who knows.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1254515
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On January 17 2021 12:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 11:16 m4ini wrote:On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/ I actually do believe so, yes. I'm not of the opinion that "people wouldn't do that" - i've come to expect nothing that requires a brain from right wing nutjobs. Guards won't stop bullets. They might in fact become a target, much like the guards at the capitol. Believe what you want.These national guard troops are armed.Theres 25,000.Roads around there are all blocked with checkpoints. Good luck getting a sniper rifle in and a position where you get a good shot in.
3D printed non-metal rifle, bullet hidden in keychain. Carried in well concealed pieces, assembled in a bathroom and brought to a close location under a jacket. 25,000 troops are to handle a riot, not a lone sniper who can legally be near Biden.
Very unlikely to happen, but not zero. Luckily, most of the Trumpkins, especially the type who would want to do it, are not competent people.
Speaking of which, from Real Time with Bill Maher, the woman who was shot at the capital was a small business owner from California who had taken out a loan with 169% interest rate. The fuck? She was a former Obama/Biden voter and member of the Air Force. How does she get sucked into Trump’s con? What was he ever going to do for her? Was he going to regulate lenders? Hell no. Elizabeth Warren might. So why support Trump? Because her state was run by democrats and they didn’t protect her either?
If the conclusion is that both parties are terrible, sure. But one party is less terrible and has some members who would try to help and it’s not the one she chose and died for. Darwin Award candidate.
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Could be a situation where they watched too much right wing YouTube, that shit is EVERYWHERE. The small moments where Im without adblock Im inevitably shown ads from like, Prager U and shit and I can imagine some people see that sort of thing and dont immediately dismiss it as mental diarrhea. From there its probably not too hard to get sucked down some sort of weird QAnon rabbit hole.
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On January 17 2021 13:30 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 12:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 11:16 m4ini wrote:On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/ I actually do believe so, yes. I'm not of the opinion that "people wouldn't do that" - i've come to expect nothing that requires a brain from right wing nutjobs. Guards won't stop bullets. They might in fact become a target, much like the guards at the capitol. Believe what you want.These national guard troops are armed.Theres 25,000.Roads around there are all blocked with checkpoints. Good luck getting a sniper rifle in and a position where you get a good shot in. 3D printed non-metal rifle, bullet hidden in keychain. Carried in well concealed pieces, assembled in a bathroom and brought to a close location under a jacket. 25,000 troops are to handle a riot, not a lone sniper who can legally be near Biden. Very unlikely to happen, but not zero. Luckily, most of the Trumpkins, especially the type who would want to do it, are not competent people. Speaking of which, from Real Time with Bill Maher, the woman who was shot at the capital was a small business owner from California who had taken out a loan with 169% interest rate. The fuck? She was a former Obama/Biden voter and member of the Air Force. How does she get sucked into Trump’s con? What was he ever going to do for her? Was he going to regulate lenders? Hell no. Elizabeth Warren might. So why support Trump? Because her state was run by democrats and they didn’t protect her either? If the conclusion is that both parties are terrible, sure. But one party is less terrible and has some members who would try to help and it’s not the one she chose and died for. Darwin Award candidate.
Don't forget Jenna Ryan, the realtor who (astonishingly) filmed herself committing crimes at the capitol building, broadcast it on the internet, and subsequently demanded a presidential pardon when she got arrested. Apparently she feels persecuted.
Wear a fucking mask and don't film yourself, moron.
Yeah unless there's a serious uptick in competence here i'm not particularly worried lol.
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On January 17 2021 13:33 Zambrah wrote:
Could be a situation where they watched too much right wing YouTube, that shit is EVERYWHERE. The small moments where Im without adblock Im inevitably shown ads from like, Prager U and shit and I can imagine some people see that sort of thing and dont immediately dismiss it as mental diarrhea. From there its probably not too hard to get sucked down some sort of weird QAnon rabbit hole.
Yup. The algorithm likes to push certain types of content hard if it thinks you're into them, with right wing politics and conspiracy theories being on that list. I've got a friend that circles just on the edge of that vortex pretty often that I have to constantly nudge back to sanity.
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On January 17 2021 13:30 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 12:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 11:16 m4ini wrote:On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/ I actually do believe so, yes. I'm not of the opinion that "people wouldn't do that" - i've come to expect nothing that requires a brain from right wing nutjobs. Guards won't stop bullets. They might in fact become a target, much like the guards at the capitol. Believe what you want.These national guard troops are armed.Theres 25,000.Roads around there are all blocked with checkpoints. Good luck getting a sniper rifle in and a position where you get a good shot in. 3D printed non-metal rifle, bullet hidden in keychain. Carried in well concealed pieces, assembled in a bathroom and brought to a close location under a jacket. 25,000 troops are to handle a riot, not a lone sniper who can legally be near Biden.
Sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel.
At that stage, more likely to have rogues within the national guard that could act something out.
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On January 17 2021 14:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 13:30 RenSC2 wrote:On January 17 2021 12:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 11:16 m4ini wrote:On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/ I actually do believe so, yes. I'm not of the opinion that "people wouldn't do that" - i've come to expect nothing that requires a brain from right wing nutjobs. Guards won't stop bullets. They might in fact become a target, much like the guards at the capitol. Believe what you want.These national guard troops are armed.Theres 25,000.Roads around there are all blocked with checkpoints. Good luck getting a sniper rifle in and a position where you get a good shot in. 3D printed non-metal rifle, bullet hidden in keychain. Carried in well concealed pieces, assembled in a bathroom and brought to a close location under a jacket. 25,000 troops are to handle a riot, not a lone sniper who can legally be near Biden. Sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel. At that stage, more likely to have rogues within the national guard that could act something out.
Knowing a little bit of the insane security when US presidents go abroad, your Tom Clancy plastic rifle scenario is nowhere near something they have not accounted for during the inauguration. That there has been placed troops does not mean that is the only thing they do for security. This time, there was even a serious recent attack and very real threats about another one, no stone will be unturned.
Security for the entire Biden presidency will be a challenge, of course, but he will be the best protected person on this planet.
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According to the NYT, Biden will start with a blitz of executive orders which will be rescinding the travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries, rejoining the Paris climate change accord, extending pandemic-related limits on evictions and student loan payments, issuing a mask mandate for federal property and interstate travel and ordering agencies to figure out how to reunite children separated from families after crossing the border.
That's what I call a good start.
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still haven't found bomberboy 
need to find him and megaphone lady. can definitely roll her up.
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On January 17 2021 13:33 Zambrah wrote:
Could be a situation where they watched too much right wing YouTube, that shit is EVERYWHERE. The small moments where Im without adblock Im inevitably shown ads from like, Prager U and shit and I can imagine some people see that sort of thing and dont immediately dismiss it as mental diarrhea. From there its probably not too hard to get sucked down some sort of weird QAnon rabbit hole.
I dunno. I've watched my fair share of right wing youtube videos and I have no idea where one finds the QAnon stuff. (Which from what little I've heard from my brother sounds quite frankly like conspiracy theories on crack.) It's certainly not in my recommended videos.
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On January 17 2021 14:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2021 13:30 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 12:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 11:16 m4ini wrote:On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/ I actually do believe so, yes. I'm not of the opinion that "people wouldn't do that" - i've come to expect nothing that requires a brain from right wing nutjobs. Guards won't stop bullets. They might in fact become a target, much like the guards at the capitol. Believe what you want.These national guard troops are armed.Theres 25,000.Roads around there are all blocked with checkpoints. Good luck getting a sniper rifle in and a position where you get a good shot in. 3D printed non-metal rifle, bullet hidden in keychain. Carried in well concealed pieces, assembled in a bathroom and brought to a close location under a jacket. 25,000 troops are to handle a riot, not a lone sniper who can legally be near Biden. Sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel. At that stage, more likely to have rogues within the national guard that could act something out.
"In the line of fire" actually. Pretty good Clint Eastwood / John Malkovic movie from '93.
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On January 17 2021 19:13 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 14:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2021 13:30 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 12:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 11:16 m4ini wrote:On January 17 2021 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 17 2021 07:37 m4ini wrote:
So, how high we thinking are the chances of deaths at the inauguration, considering they just stopped someone with a loaded gun with high cap mag/drum (not specified what exactly), 500 rounds of ammunition and a fake inauguration ID, in a police checkpoint (not confirmed right wing yet, might be antifa /s)?
Zero. Unless you believe 22,000 National guard troops, razor wire fencing and road closures isn't enough? What more would it take. Edit - 'up to' 25,000 national guard now https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-updates-25000-national-guard-securing-capital/2543930/ I actually do believe so, yes. I'm not of the opinion that "people wouldn't do that" - i've come to expect nothing that requires a brain from right wing nutjobs. Guards won't stop bullets. They might in fact become a target, much like the guards at the capitol. Believe what you want.These national guard troops are armed.Theres 25,000.Roads around there are all blocked with checkpoints. Good luck getting a sniper rifle in and a position where you get a good shot in. 3D printed non-metal rifle, bullet hidden in keychain. Carried in well concealed pieces, assembled in a bathroom and brought to a close location under a jacket. 25,000 troops are to handle a riot, not a lone sniper who can legally be near Biden. Sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel. At that stage, more likely to have rogues within the national guard that could act something out. "In the line of fire" actually. Pretty good Clint Eastwood / John Malkovic movie from '93.
That's also what it reminded me of.
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On January 17 2021 19:04 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 13:33 Zambrah wrote:
Could be a situation where they watched too much right wing YouTube, that shit is EVERYWHERE. The small moments where Im without adblock Im inevitably shown ads from like, Prager U and shit and I can imagine some people see that sort of thing and dont immediately dismiss it as mental diarrhea. From there its probably not too hard to get sucked down some sort of weird QAnon rabbit hole. I dunno. I've watched my fair share of right wing youtube videos and I have no idea where one finds the QAnon stuff. (Which from what little I've heard from my brother sounds quite frankly like conspiracy theories on crack.) It's certainly not in my recommended videos.
Considering how far out some of the QAnon theories are and how many are stolen from movies/books I think it's origin is literally a troll trying to mess around with r/conspiracy and is now asking themself "what have I done".
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If I remember correctly, Q came from one of the chans.
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QAnon originated from 4chan's /pol/, migrated to 8chan/8kun and has been silent ever since December or something. There's some theories floating around that QAnon is either some troll who was toying with Trump fans or is the newest owner of 8chan/8kun. Still boggles my mind that a shitpost on 4chan metastasized into this potent mainstream conspiracy. Remember when the most a non-millennial would have learned about 4chan was that it was the home of Anonymous and dangerous hackers that Bill O'Reilly reported on?
There's some ever-relevant readings on America's fondness for conspiracy that I find worth reading today. Things like The Paranoid Style in America's Politics or this from The Atlantic.
On January 18 2021 01:33 JimmiC wrote:
What I find mind boggling about the whole thing is that while there are some that believe the QAnon stuff , which of course is crazy considering how thoroughly and often it has been completely debunked. There is a large group of people who don't believe QAnon, but do believe lots of parts of it and trust people that do believe it. That part worries me because that is how crazy and just play stupid things like QAnon get into your society and they are so hard to get out.
Is it really? People have persisted in their belief of false prophets for a very long time. Not to drag this conversation too deep into the weeds of religion, but Jehovah's Witnesses have an impressive list of unmet auguries, and for every failed prophecy, the goalposts are pushed back. Sounds familiar? Yet, there's still plenty of people knocking on doors handing out The Watchtower. If anything, it strengthens their convictions because it's difficult to admit you were hoodwinked and humiliate yourself to others, and the sense of community it creates is very powerful.
There's some opinions that people latch on to conspiracies because they lack community and wider social ties. The void left by religion, unions, civil volunteering and family is instead taken by social media networks and conspiracy theories. People are losing trust with each other and find meaning and community with convenient fictions like these grand conspiracies that explain everything they can't understand but "feel right".
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On January 17 2021 16:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:
According to the NYT, Biden will start with a blitz of executive orders which will be rescinding the travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries, rejoining the Paris climate change accord, extending pandemic-related limits on evictions and student loan payments, issuing a mask mandate for federal property and interstate travel and ordering agencies to figure out how to reunite children separated from families after crossing the border.
That's what I call a good start.
I'm hoping it's a start on showing Republicans that they don't just get to wreak whatever havoc they like and get away with it. He's making it very clear he wants to undo the damage Trump did. It's a good start, but he was given a great big mess to deal with. He'll need to do quite a bit to right the ship.
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On January 18 2021 03:07 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2021 16:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:
According to the NYT, Biden will start with a blitz of executive orders which will be rescinding the travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries, rejoining the Paris climate change accord, extending pandemic-related limits on evictions and student loan payments, issuing a mask mandate for federal property and interstate travel and ordering agencies to figure out how to reunite children separated from families after crossing the border.
That's what I call a good start. I'm hoping it's a start on showing Republicans that they don't just get to wreak whatever havoc they like and get away with it. He's making it very clear he wants to undo the damage Trump did. It's a good start, but he was given a great big mess to deal with. He'll need to do quite a bit to right the ship. Trump tried to undo what Obama did. Biden will try to undo what Trump did.
The wonders of 2 party politics.
Problem is its easier to tear down then build back up again.
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