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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
US Education version 9.0 Student loan payment has been reworked. 5% of all paychecks before taxes is removed from all paychecks for the first 10 years of paychecks after graduating college. This is pro rated. Each year of schooling up to 4 adds 1.25% of paycheck payment. Associates degrees trigger 2.5% payments, bachelors 5.0% payments, MS/PhD both 6%. Individuals who have already paid 120 months of 5% of their income no longer make payments. Individuals who have paid more than 120 months of 5% of their income can have up to 1 year of payments refunded. | ||
KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On January 16 2021 10:06 Zambrah wrote: To my understanding most of the inflated cost of tuition have gone to management types, according to what Ive heard from my professors when I was at school. This is actually a good thing. I was a university admin and you don’t want the professors doing admin. They don’t know how and they’re paid far more than we were. University administrators lower costs. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
apnews.com No idea what the scale is here, but I remember being intrigued with the whole Oliver North kerfuffle | ||
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Falling
Canada11586 Posts
On January 16 2021 10:58 KwarK wrote: This is actually a good thing. I was a university admin and you don’t want the professors doing admin. They don’t know how and they’re paid far more than we were. University administrators lower costs. I don't think people are thinking of doing away administrators. But there is a very clear ballooning of administration budgets in relation to everything else: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinesimon/2017/09/05/bureaucrats-and-buildings-the-case-for-why-college-is-so-expensive/?sh=66482a44456a During the 1980-1981 school year, public and private institutions spent $20.7 billion in total on instruction, and $13 billion on academic support, student services and institutional support combined, according to data from the National Center for Educational Statistics. By the 2014-2015 school year, total instructional costs had climbed to $148 billion, while the same grouping of administrative expenses had risen to $122.3 billion. Put another way, administrative spending comprised just 26% of total educational spending by American colleges in 1980-1981, while instructional spending comprised 41%. Three decades later, the two categories were almost even: administrative spending made up 24% of schools’ total expenditures, while instructional spending made up 29%. “The interesting thing about the administrative bloat in higher education is, literally, nobody knows who all these people are or what they’re doing,” says Todd Zywicki, a law professor at George Mason University and the author of “The Changing of the Guard: The Political Economy of Administrative Bloat in American Higher Education.” Administrative titles at schools, especially large research institutions, can be confusingly vague: Health Promotion Specialist, Student Success Manager and Senior Coordinator, Student Accountability are all positions currently available on higheredjobs.com. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
What a sad travesty, the one victory Republicans will hold up from Trump's presidency will be all of the judges and they're being used to... allow for the state to murder people. Very nice. Increase the size of the damn Supreme Court, I'm tired of playing by norms when the Republicans abuse those norms to their benefit and Democrats take a high ground that ultimately does nothing but allow the Republicans to abuse norms. https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1350296537633579009?s=20 Heres Sotomayor's dissent, she starts off by naming the victims, as well as noting that the US hasn't had federal executions for seventeen years 'til now. The executions started July of this year. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-927_i42k.pdf#page=5 | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6303 Posts
On January 16 2021 04:43 Mohdoo wrote: I don’t think the structure should be questioned so long as the benefits from a economic stimulation are verified. I think that even if you essentially give more money to richer people, those people are still spending a lot of it in other ways. So long as there is enough for those making less money, there shouldn’t be a problem with giving more to richer so long as the effect is still present. I don't see how forgiving all student loans makes sense from an economic perspective unless you don't take opportunity costs into account. If you want to increase growth in the short run you should give money to people with a higher marginal propensity to consume (the poor). If you want to increase growth in the long run you'd want to increase savings and the only way the government can do this directly is to decrease the deficit not increase it. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2799 Posts
On January 16 2021 14:29 Falling wrote: I don't think people are thinking of doing away administrators. But there is a very clear ballooning of administration budgets in relation to everything else: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinesimon/2017/09/05/bureaucrats-and-buildings-the-case-for-why-college-is-so-expensive/?sh=66482a44456a Forgive my stupid, but this is what I'm reading: 1981 : Admin, 26%. Professors, 41%. Other, 33% 2015 : Admin, 24%. Professors, 29%. Other, 47% If these are the statistics we care about (and presumably they are, or why would we be offered them) then why are we talking about administrative bloat when it is the number that has changed the least? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On January 16 2021 17:39 Fleetfeet wrote: Forgive my stupid, but this is what I'm reading: 1981 : Admin, 26%. Professors, 41%. Other, 33% 2015 : Admin, 24%. Professors, 29%. Other, 47% If these are the statistics we care about (and presumably they are, or why would we be offered them) then why are we talking about administrative bloat when it is the number that has changed the least? You're pulling the numbers out of context; read the rest of the article, it's a pretty clear and well-explained issue. The ratio between administrators and faculty continues to shrink. According to a 2014 Delta Cost Project report, the number of faculty and staff per administrator declined roughly 40% at most types of colleges and universities between 1990 and 2012, now averaging around 2.5 faculty per administrator. At public research institutions specifically, there has been a particularly marked rise in the number administrators. In 1990, there were approximately twice as many full-time faculty at public research institutions as administrators. In 2012, the two groups were nearly equal. Generally speaking, as a university grows in size / number of students, the admin:instructor ratio should shift towards instructors, especially in research universities -- not the other way around. The reason it isn't, is because universities in the US are focusing more and more on superficial bullshit to present themselves as the more attractive option since the superficial bullshit is easy to quantify and put on a shiny prospectus. I think one of the big but rarely talked about issues here is that universities are essentially seen as this little world in itself, where you can basically disconnect from the rest of the world and only interact with your campus; and thus the more 'stuff' your campus has, the more interesting and eventful your life will be. In reality, there's no reason whatsoever for universities to have a budget for something like sports teams and facilities -- it would be far better if that money was instead allocated to the local government structures and made truly public instead. Like, if students wanted to have a football team, the university could easily work out the scheduling with the said local government to let the students use it as necessary, and then the rest of the people in the area could actually benefit from it as well instead of having this walled off garden only for the chosen. Same goes for basically every on-campus facility except for actual classrooms / laboratories and dormitories; hell, even classrooms could actually be public lecture halls where education facilities have priority booking but are available for use by the local people in the 'off' hours without having to bargain with the university bosses. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On January 16 2021 14:53 Zambrah wrote: The 13th and final execution (fucking lord, this is like some B-grade horror movie setup shit) of Trump's administration has been cleared to happen by a 6-3 vote of the Supreme Court. What a sad travesty, the one victory Republicans will hold up from Trump's presidency will be all of the judges and they're being used to... allow for the state to murder people. Very nice. Increase the size of the damn Supreme Court, I'm tired of playing by norms when the Republicans abuse those norms to their benefit and Democrats take a high ground that ultimately does nothing but allow the Republicans to abuse norms. https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1350296537633579009?s=20 Heres Sotomayor's dissent, she starts off by naming the victims, as well as noting that the US hasn't had federal executions for seventeen years 'til now. The executions started July of this year. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-927_i42k.pdf#page=5 Supporting a fascist to get the SC seats to start executing people again. At least the American right is pro life right? Also 13 people in such a short time feels like it leaves a lot of room for mistakes. The last paragraph of the dissent says as much with rather more eloquence: There is no matter as “grave as the determination of whether a human life should be taken or spared.” Gregg v. Georgia, 428 U. S. 153, 189 (1976) (opinion of Stewart, Powell, and Stevens, JJ.). That decision is not something to be rushed or taken lightly; there can be no “justice on the fly” in matters of life and death. See Nken v. Holder, 556 U. S. 418, 427 (2009). Yet the Court has allowed the United States to execute thirteen people in six months under a statutory scheme and regulatory protocol that have received inadequate scrutiny, without resolving the serious claims the condemned individuals raised. Those whom the Government executed during this endeavor deserved more from this Court. I respectfully dissent | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8148 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Freedom and Democracy, hurrdurr. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11935 Posts
On January 16 2021 19:24 Zambrah wrote: I imagine it touches that Strong Man nerve that some people love to have tickled. Nothing says strength and rule of law and what not like executing people. Its kind of comic-book-villain-esque to go on an actual killing spree towards the tail end of your presidential career though. He either did it because he knew he was going to lose, or he did it because he thought he might be able to tout it to his base? Its comically evil regardless, though, and given the fact hes de facto lost and was still putting the executions through speaks volumes about the kind of person he is. When we are already at comic book stuff, i think some of comic culture also goes into thinking this is a good idea. Comic books are very clear that the only way to actually deal with a villain is to kill them. If you put the Joker into prison or Arkham Asylum, he will be out within a year at most, and kill even more people. If enough media constantly portrays this idea of crime, the death penalty starts to sound more and more compelling. If criminals are criminal forever, will never change, and cannot be contained within a prison, killing them sounds like the most rational choice. Of course, none of that is true in reality. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8148 Posts
I remember reading that the executioner uses a cotton with a disinfectant while they put the needle in. That absurd detail always represented how much at odd with a civilized society death penalty is. It's like, of course, nobody would risk someone else catching an infection. We are civilized people, we take care of each other, especially of other's health. So why are you butchering someone like livestock? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5843 Posts
On January 16 2021 19:46 mahrgell wrote: Killing them sounds perfectly in line with stripping inmates from their voting rights or having them work for 50ct/h. If you commit a crime you are no longer human or part of the society, and therefore abandon all your rights. Freedom and Democracy, hurrdurr. Land of the Free. If you're not free, it's no longer your country. ;-) | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 16 2021 21:32 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yeah. It's just the idea that my tax money pays the obscene ritual of putting a man to death would really, really, really piss me off. I remember reading that the executioner uses a cotton with a disinfectant while they put the needle in. That absurd detail always represented how much at odd with a civilized society death penalty is. It's like, of course, nobody would risk someone else catching an infection. We are civilized people, we take care of each other, especially of other's health. So why are you butchering someone like livestock? They at least make sure the needle doesn't hurt before the lethal injection serum makes your entire body feel like it's on fire while not being able to move or use any muscles because you're also paralyzed. It's more humane that way. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 17 2021 00:26 NewSunshine wrote: They at least make sure the needle doesn't hurt before the lethal injection serum makes your entire body feel like it's on fire while not being able to move or use any muscles because you're also paralyzed. It's more humane that way. I think most people would rather be hanged or go through the electric chair nowadays. | ||
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