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KwarK
United States42691 Posts
No dictatorship has oppressed its people more brutally or more cruelly than North Korea Also Trump on North Korea Yeah, but so have a lot of other people have done some really bad things. I mean, I could go through a lot of nations where a lot of bad things were done. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 14 2018 12:30 KwarK wrote: Trump on North Korea Also Trump on North Korea Also missing the bits where he praises Xi and Kim for having total control of their countries and being presidents/leaders for life. But don't worry, he's totally joking. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On June 14 2018 13:28 WolfintheSheep wrote: Also missing the bits where he praises Xi and Kim for having total control of their countries and being presidents/leaders for life. But don't worry, he's totally joking. Don't take him literally, unless it's a campaign promise you want fulfilled. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On June 14 2018 13:35 Gahlo wrote: Don't take him literally, unless it's a campaign promise you want fulfilled. But take him seriously. He may not literally want to be president for life, but only because he doesn't like that title. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 14 2018 12:30 KwarK wrote: Trump on North Korea Also Trump on North Korea This might be one of the reasons that NK is making steps towards peace now. They might never find a president that cares so little about human rights and is so positive towards absolute rulers. Normally the US would want regime change and democracy and all that annoying stuff. With Trump being more interested in putting hotels on those beautiful beaches than those starving people in the labor camps, they might get the best deal they would ever be able to get: Make peace, lose the pariah status, still stay in charge, get filthy rich by selling rights to natural resources and hotel contracts, and join the worlds oligarchs without paying a price for decades of oppression. He also see's Xi make himself president for life, just like him, but without all the hate and sanctions, he even got praise from the White House for doing it. So I can imagine he would want to become more like Xi/Putin/Trump (of course there will be many other factors like SK actively working towards reunion, China's different approach, the testsite collapsing on itself etc) | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
There was some hype in certain circles that this would prove the FBI had some bias against Trump, but so far nothing really shown. http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/392260-doj-watchdog-does-not-fault-fbis-strzok-page-for-political-bias http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/392252-justice-department-watchdog-says-comey-deviated-from-fbi-procedures | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21687 Posts
On June 15 2018 02:20 PhoenixVoid wrote: Those circles will simply ignore the report or claim the 'deep state' protected them or whatever.The DOJ's assessment of Strozk and Page (the two FBI agents accused of being politically biased against Trump in their text messages) concluded they, "did not find that the conduct or potential political bias of FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page "directly affected the specific investigative actions we reviewed,". The report also said Comey did deviate from procedures that cast doubt on the FBI when he , but nothing over political biases. There was some hype in certain circles that this would prove the FBI had some bias against Trump, but so far nothing really shown. http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/392260-doj-watchdog-does-not-fault-fbis-strzok-page-for-political-bias http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/392252-justice-department-watchdog-says-comey-deviated-from-fbi-procedures | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/attorney-general-underwood-announces-lawsuit-against-donald-j-trump-foundation-and-its Lawsuit Seeks Restitution of $2.8 Million Plus Penalties AG’s Office Sends Referral Letters to Internal Revenue Service and Federal Election Commission for Further Investigation and Legal Action In Light Of Misconduct And Total Lack of Oversight, Lawsuit Seeks To Dissolve Donald J. Trump Foundation and Bar Donald J. Trump And Members Of Trump Foundation’s Board Of Directors From Serving On Board Of Any Other New York Charity Anyone know what the 'legal actions' could be for those involved? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Im glad the IG found out that this facet didn’t affect the overall course of the investigation. I’m going to trust the outcome with included caveats. He didn’t try to make out that the investigation occurred without incident, just that the biases didn’t have a disastrous and course-defining impact. The Justice department better produce requested documents from Congress in the future. Trump is being cowardly like usual in not compelling his subordinates to comply with Congress’s authority to compel their production, and not slow walk or deny requests. Also glad that one leaking staffer that was sleeping with a reporter has been found and arrested. He’s been charged with lying to investigators. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21687 Posts
I'm sure they would be more willing to comply if that wasn't the case. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
The good news is the FBI/intelligence agencies has been so visible doing this that ordinary Americans aren’t fooled. Hilariously the recent IG report provides the latest instance: | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
(thread) This is looking like a case of neglect on the part of the FBI that, if anything, cost Hillary the election, by keeping the infamous email investigation cast above her head right until the election was complete. Had they pursued the lead they had as soon as possible, she would've been cleared sooner, and all the "but her emails" could've died down a lot sooner. Complaining about the conduct of the FBI here is having your cake while eating it too. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23232 Posts
On June 15 2018 05:33 NewSunshine wrote: The texts are meaningless. They don't "cross the line of having an opinion" because they weren't acted upon. If anything, it was the opposite. https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1007345777855918082 (thread) This is looking like a case of neglect on the part of the FBI that, if anything, cost Hillary the election, by keeping the infamous email investigation cast above her head right until the election was complete. Had they pursued the lead they had as soon as possible, she would've been cleared sooner, and all the "but her emails" could've died down a lot sooner. Complaining about the conduct of the FBI here is having your cake while eating it too. Republicans don't care what the official story of her extreme carelessness and those weren't the emails people to her left cared about. I don't think anyone would put the emails even in the top 10 of reasons they voted one way or another. I think the FBI is trash anyway so that's whatever, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that her getting 'cleared' sooner would have changed anything. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On June 15 2018 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote: Republicans don't care what the official story of her extreme carelessness and those weren't the emails people to her left cared about. I don't think anyone would put the emails even in the top 10 of reasons they voted one way or another. I think the FBI is trash anyway so that's whatever, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that her getting 'cleared' sooner would have changed anything. The real facts don't matter to a lot of people, muddying the waters and tarnishing her image was more important. It's why you have Fox News blasting out continuous stories about various "deep state" actors that are blatantly false. Their veracity doesn't matter, the goal is to get something to stick. Having the "but her emails" fallback is also a great way to go "well if there's this thing about her emails, then how do we know they don't have a child-based sex-trafficking ring?" If the point is that the FBI is a mess, I'm with you. But that's very clearly not the point Danglars is trying to get across here. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 15 2018 05:33 NewSunshine wrote: The texts are meaningless. They don't "cross the line of having an opinion" because they weren't acted upon. If anything, it was the opposite. https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1007345777855918082 (thread) This is looking like a case of neglect on the part of the FBI that, if anything, cost Hillary the election, by keeping the infamous email investigation cast above her head right until the election was complete. Had they pursued the lead they had as soon as possible, she would've been cleared sooner, and all the "but her emails" could've died down a lot sooner. Complaining about the conduct of the FBI here is having your cake while eating it too. I think you’d be singing a different tune if George W Bush senior FBI officials had said the same thing of a prospective Obama victory. “We’ll stop it” would be wall to wall coverage of not only a Bush scandal, but also blatant racism. If Trump was all it took for the left to get in bed with the intelligence apparatus, then I can’t wait for what’s around the corner. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23232 Posts
On June 15 2018 05:45 NewSunshine wrote: The real facts don't matter to a lot of people, muddying the waters and tarnishing her image was more important. It's why you have Fox News blasting out continuous stories about various "deep state" actors that are blatantly false. Their veracity doesn't matter, the goal is to get something to stick. Having the "but her emails" fallback is also a great way to go "well if there's this thing about her emails, then how do we know they don't have a child-based sex-trafficking ring?" If the point is that the FBI is a mess, I'm with you. But that's very clearly not the point Danglars is trying to get across here. Just addressing this part: This is looking like a case of neglect on the part of the FBI that, if anything, cost Hillary the election, by keeping the infamous email investigation cast above her head right until the election was complete. It doesn't look like that at all to me. Looks like typical FBI incompetence and I don't know of a single person who would have voted differently as a result. I don't think that's even in the "Trump Regrets" tweets which include people making up regrets. So I'm fine adding it to the endless list of FBI fuckups, but it doesn't even hold up as much of a reason she lost at all, let alone a critical factor. From Danglars: If Trump was all it took for the left to get in bed with the intelligence apparatus, then I can’t wait for what’s around the corner. Worst part of all this. Too bad as soon as it benefits you politically, you'll go right back to caping for the same shitty FBI. | ||
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