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On October 16 2020 00:17 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 00:16 Mohdoo wrote:
While the Russian "October surprise" was a giant flop, I now eagerly/anxiously await Barr's last ditch effort. Trump has said he may not keep Barr if he gets re-elected. Some WH people are reportedly very upset, saying that "everyone knows he saved Trump's presidency". Show nested quote +
“The great irony in the president’s remarks is he is only in a position to complain because Bill Barr saved his presidency and everyone knows it,” a senior administration official told Fox News on Wednesday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bill-barr-criticism-administration
The real question people should be asking is why anyone is surprised at this point. Who has Trump ever went to bat for after they became useless to him? Maybe his family, but it wouldn't surprise me for Trump to sell Ivanka to the devil to save himself at this point.
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On October 16 2020 00:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Given what happened with the collusion investigation, and the wrench it threw into the wheels of Trump's presidency for two years, it would be entirely just for any and all info on it to come out before the election. Transparency is good. The NYT is slow-rolling the release of Trump's illegally leaked tax returns, too, for election, I mean transparency purposes.
Outside of commercial imperatives I’m sure they’re enjoying that drip feed release approach. 4 years of attacks from said individual on your publication and profession on the whole might do that to you.
I’m not sure I buy accusations of insider trading re the Trump campaign obfuscating the extent of Corona. The administration’s response in general has been so haphazard and bungled that this seems unlikely to me.
Plus as you say, reading it it seems it’s a case of one particular individual inferring this and acting accordingly, and passing that judgement call on to others than being privy to much that wasn’t public knowledge.
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Trump pushing even more QAnon conspiracy. Is this what conservatives want ? To become a conspiracy theory party ?
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It's mainly that Kudlow was saying one thing to the public, and another to donors, regarding COVID. He was letting them know that it might impact them strongly while railing about how it meant nothing publicly.
While one person put it together independently, he did so based on a 3 day conference based on what the administration officials were saying.
Mr. Kudlow “revised his statement about the virus being contained,” Mr. Callanan wrote to Mr. Tepper, saying “we just don’t know” whether it was at the time — even as Mr. Kudlow continued to downplay its consequences to the private audience. Mr. Kudlow “did add that he has recommended to the president a period of ‘tariff tranquillity,’ as markets don’t need more uncertainty now.”
Mr. Kudlow confirmed making both assertions at the Hoover meeting, adding that in his mind, they were essentially the same as his remarks on CNBC. “There was never any intent on my part to misinform,” he said, noting that the number of diagnosed Covid-19 cases in the United States at the time was no more than 20, and that he had expected travel restrictions to limit further spread.
If Kudlow were a complete moron I might buy that he went and said something on-air that he then dialed way back in private as just mis-speaking, but he's not. This is the sort of thing that'd need more investigation to be sure one way or the other, really.
This should be funny. Senate has subpeona'd Jack Dorsey over Hunter Biden story not being distributed. Funny in both a "haha" and "that's really sad" way as we watch our senate struggle to understand technology again.
I really, really don't give a shit about Hunter. It's not like he's a 12 year old. At 50 years old, any of his misdeeds are basically independent of Joe Biden's influence.
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Hunter's issue is that it is run of the mill nepotistic influence selling. How much influence is bought with pseudo jobs like his is more tertiary to me than whether or not he took a job like that.
Also if Hunter was Black and not Biden's son he'd have had him locked up long ago.
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On October 16 2020 03:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Hunter's issue is that it is run of the mill nepotistic influence selling. How much influence is bought with pseudo jobs like his is more tertiary to me than whether or not he took a job like that.
Also if Hunter was Black and not Biden's son he'd have had him locked up long ago.
Surely you have more than just your communist bias to make that claim ?
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On October 16 2020 03:22 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 03:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Hunter's issue is that it is run of the mill nepotistic influence selling. How much influence is bought with pseudo jobs like his is more tertiary to me than whether or not he took a job like that.
Also if Hunter was Black and not Biden's son he'd have had him locked up long ago. Surely you have more than just your communist bias to make that claim ?
The locking up Black people for far less than Hunter's done or the no-show 6 figure job?
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On October 16 2020 01:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 00:17 Nevuk wrote:On October 16 2020 00:16 Mohdoo wrote:
While the Russian "October surprise" was a giant flop, I now eagerly/anxiously await Barr's last ditch effort. Trump has said he may not keep Barr if he gets re-elected. Some WH people are reportedly very upset, saying that "everyone knows he saved Trump's presidency".
“The great irony in the president’s remarks is he is only in a position to complain because Bill Barr saved his presidency and everyone knows it,” a senior administration official told Fox News on Wednesday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bill-barr-criticism-administration The real question people should be asking is why anyone is surprised at this point. Who has Trump ever went to bat for after they became useless to him? Maybe his family, but it wouldn't surprise me for Trump to sell Ivanka to the devil to save himself at this point.
Yeah. It makes me wonder why he still keeps an utter liability like Giuliani around. Guy must have some serious dirt on him.
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On October 16 2020 03:27 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 01:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On October 16 2020 00:17 Nevuk wrote:On October 16 2020 00:16 Mohdoo wrote:
While the Russian "October surprise" was a giant flop, I now eagerly/anxiously await Barr's last ditch effort. Trump has said he may not keep Barr if he gets re-elected. Some WH people are reportedly very upset, saying that "everyone knows he saved Trump's presidency".
“The great irony in the president’s remarks is he is only in a position to complain because Bill Barr saved his presidency and everyone knows it,” a senior administration official told Fox News on Wednesday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bill-barr-criticism-administration The real question people should be asking is why anyone is surprised at this point. Who has Trump ever went to bat for after they became useless to him? Maybe his family, but it wouldn't surprise me for Trump to sell Ivanka to the devil to save himself at this point. Yeah. It makes me wonder why he still keeps an utter liability like Giuliani around. Guy must have some serious dirt on him. Because he is a 'lawyer' willing to work for him and do his dirty work.
I imagine the supply of lawyers willing to destroy their career to help Trump's is not limitless.
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On October 16 2020 03:41 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 03:27 Starlightsun wrote:On October 16 2020 01:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On October 16 2020 00:17 Nevuk wrote:On October 16 2020 00:16 Mohdoo wrote:
While the Russian "October surprise" was a giant flop, I now eagerly/anxiously await Barr's last ditch effort. Trump has said he may not keep Barr if he gets re-elected. Some WH people are reportedly very upset, saying that "everyone knows he saved Trump's presidency".
“The great irony in the president’s remarks is he is only in a position to complain because Bill Barr saved his presidency and everyone knows it,” a senior administration official told Fox News on Wednesday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bill-barr-criticism-administration The real question people should be asking is why anyone is surprised at this point. Who has Trump ever went to bat for after they became useless to him? Maybe his family, but it wouldn't surprise me for Trump to sell Ivanka to the devil to save himself at this point. Yeah. It makes me wonder why he still keeps an utter liability like Giuliani around. Guy must have some serious dirt on him. Because he is a 'lawyer' willing to work for him and do his dirty work. I imagine the supply of lawyers willing to destroy their career to help Trump's is not limitless.
Cohen's doing alright after a little rough patch. It wasn't that long ago he was saying things like "You can't rape your wife" and dropping off hush money to pornstars for Trump and now he's a best selling author and guest on MSNBC.
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On October 16 2020 03:51 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 16 2020 03:22 Erasme wrote:On October 16 2020 03:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Hunter's issue is that it is run of the mill nepotistic influence selling. How much influence is bought with pseudo jobs like his is more tertiary to me than whether or not he took a job like that.
Also if Hunter was Black and not Biden's son he'd have had him locked up long ago. Surely you have more than just your communist bias to make that claim ? The locking up Black people for far less than Hunter's done or the no-show 6 figure job? There are a lot of white collar crimes not being prosecuted. Do you have any info on their being a race component to white collar crime? It would not surprise me either way but some evidence is expected when you make bold claims.
Did you ask that question despite knowing Hunter has struggled with cocaine/crack use since the 80's (when Biden's support for mass incarceration and draconian drug penalties was strongest) and pissed positive while in the military ~6-7 years ago, and described a crack binge he went on in 2016 himself?
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The hunter biden story is getting uh, dumber the more I read into it. (The one that's supposedly being censored).
Hunter forgets to pick up a laptop that he dropped off for repair. Ok, that's not THAT weird, especailly for a crack cocaine addict.
Said repairshop is not only in a different state, it's across the country from where he lives (delaware instead of LA). Getting weirder.
Said forgotten laptop has emails on the hard drive that "prove" a sketchy connection between Ukraine and Joe Biden. Makes him forgetting about it a lot stranger.
Repairman at laptop place waits 12 months before contacting Rudy Giuliani (of all people) with the dirt, after having made a copy of it in a... less than legal manner. If the repair person wanted to be believed, he should have gone to someone else.
The info comes out 2 weeks before the election.
Giuliani keeps changing his story on where he got the laptop. (He's now claiming it was totally legal since Hunter was drunk and signed a contract saying if he forgot it for 90 days the repairshop owned it https://www.mediaite.com/radio/rudy-giuliani-changes-laptop-story-now-claims-hunter-biden-left-it-at-store/ )
A user on a far right message board (specifically, the r/thedonald replacement site) with names like “Freedom_USA_88" was bragging about it before it even dropped.
This timeline of events is so stupid I'm not sure I'd buy it if even if it was Don Jr. doing it. Crack can make you do stupid, crazy stuff. I doubt it can make your opponents act like idiots too.
The reason it was being censored is that twitter and facebook have policies that ban stories based on hacked info, apparently, and the basic assumption is that the info (if true) was almost certainly hacked, not just ... handed over by Hunter Biden and forgotten about.
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So between labeling/censoring it for being untrue or censoring it because it was true and obtained against their policies, they went with the latter...? I don't think that's going to have the desired impact.
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On October 16 2020 04:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
So between labeling/censoring it for being untrue or censoring it because it was true and obtained against their policies, they went with the latter...? I don't think that's going to have the desired impact.
When these things move so fast, they were right to give them undue credibility. Better to say it might be true but clearly an October surprise than to say "shits fake" before the whole thing is even understood. At this point, it is clearly disinformation. This appears to be entirely fabricated, unlike the Clinton email stuff.
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On October 16 2020 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 04:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
So between labeling/censoring it for being untrue or censoring it because it was true and obtained against their policies, they went with the latter...? I don't think that's going to have the desired impact. When these things move so fast, they were right to give them undue credibility. Better to say it might be true but clearly an October surprise than to say "shits fake" before the whole thing is even understood. At this point, it is clearly disinformation. This appears to be entirely fabricated, unlike the Clinton email stuff.
I haven't read anything about this laptop thing, but based on Nev's description, Hunter leaving a laptop with a "repairman" during a crack/alcohol binge and also leaving it logged into an email account with incriminating information sounds totally plausible to me.
So does it being some hairbrained scheme by Rudy and co though just to be clear.
@JimmiC I was saying that Hunter would have been locked up long ago under Biden's draconian drug policies, not for run of the mill nepotistic stuff.
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C-SPAN has suspended their reporter for lying about being hacked on twitter when he asked Scaramucci for advice on dealing with Trump.
This is why I was so surprised that he tried it : if it was false, it was going to become public knowledge very rapidly. CSPAN isn't MSNBC and Joy Reid. So even if the second debate had happened, there would have been a new moderator.
Will feed into claims about biased press, but I'm not sure how Steve Scully keeps his job after this.
NEW YORK (AP) — C-SPAN suspended its political editor Steve Scully indefinitely Thursday after he admitted to lying about his Twitter feed being hacked when he was confronted about a questionable exchange with former Trump aide Anthony Scaramucci.
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-joe-biden-donald-trump-anthony-scaramucci-4657ccd8f5e51d1ce113290b9304f9d5
On October 16 2020 05:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2020 04:55 Mohdoo wrote:On October 16 2020 04:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
So between labeling/censoring it for being untrue or censoring it because it was true and obtained against their policies, they went with the latter...? I don't think that's going to have the desired impact. When these things move so fast, they were right to give them undue credibility. Better to say it might be true but clearly an October surprise than to say "shits fake" before the whole thing is even understood. At this point, it is clearly disinformation. This appears to be entirely fabricated, unlike the Clinton email stuff. I haven't read anything about this laptop thing, but based on Nev's description, Hunter leaving a laptop with a "repairman" during a crack/alcohol binge and also leaving it logged into an email account with incriminating information sounds totally plausible to me. So does it being some hairbrained scheme by Rudy and co though just to be clear.
Yeah the first two steps sound plausible (though that's a long drive even on crack, as there'd be available public records if it were a flight), but the last few (especially Giuliani changing his story and the repair person sitting on them for a year) and the timing make the whole thing too implausible for me to believe without non-partisan verification.
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So trafargar group a very right bias polling group is now showing a Biden win. So when even groups that are heavily favored to the right are showing your candidate losing when do you abandon your candidate. For the Senate specifically Trump is such boat anchor. Like both Georgia Senate races are now toss up and it because trump is draging them down so much. I would think some of these Senators would want to save there seats. What do get by going down with the ship.
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