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On October 07 2020 21:01 farvacola wrote: The unwillingness of folks like Nettles to wrestle with the implications of the fact that particular kinds of awful people support the same people they do will not be forgotten. Here's one among a host of reasons why Nettle's post is divorced from reality in lockstep with the far-right media he consumes.
Asked at yesterday’s presidential debate if he would condemn white supremacist violence by groups like the Proud Boys, President Trump was defiant, remarking: “Almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not the right-wing.” But that very same day, the FBI issued an intelligence report warning of an imminent “violent extremist threat” posed by a far-right militia that includes white supremacists—identifying the current election period up to the 2021 inauguration as a “potential flashpoint.”
The report, obtained exclusively by The Nation and titled “Boogaloo Adherents Likely Increasing Anti-Government Violent Rhetoric and Activities, Increasing Domestic Violent Extremist Threat in the FBI Dallas Area of Responsibility,” warns of the threat posed by the far-right militia group known as the “Boogaloos.” Marked for official use only and law enforcement sensitive, the document was prepared by the FBI’s Dallas Field Office and is dated September 29, 2020. It draws on a wide array of intelligence sources, making specific mention of human sources—suggesting that the Bureau may have confidential informants within the group. The document points to several catalysts for the rise in the group’s membership, including resentment over perceived government overreach embodied by the Covid-19 shutdown and the presidential election.
The document states,
FBI Dallas Field Office judges in the next three months, continuing up to the January 2021 inauguration with the presidential elections acting as a potential flashpoint, boogaloo adherents likely will expand influence within the FBI Dallas AOR [Area of Responsibility] due to the presence of existing anti-government or anti-authority violent extremists, the sentiment of perceived government overreach, heightened tensions due to COVID-19-related state and local restrictions, and violence or criminal activity at lawful protests as a result of the death of an African American USPER [US person] in Minneapolis, factors that led to violence at otherwise peaceful and lawful protests in the FBI Dallas AOR.
The word “Boogaloo” refers to a second American Civil War, which the loosely organized, fiercely anti-government group has declared its intention to bring about. Its members often wear an outfit of military fatigues and a Hawaiian shirt. While the Boogaloos clearly contain white supremacist elements—many members believe the coming civil war will be a race war—their main focus is strident opposition to government.
While skepticism of government is undoubtedly a common sentiment, the Boogaloos have distinguished themselves by carrying out significant acts of violence in furtherance of this belief. For example, this summer, one Boogaloo, Steven Carrillo, is alleged to have killed two law enforcement officers in Northern California. True to the group’s desire to hasten the next civil war, Carrilllo is alleged to have killed the law enforcement officers at an otherwise peaceful demonstration with a silenced machine gun, in hopes of provoking retaliation from the police against the demonstrators. Later in September, two other Boogaloo members were arrested and charged with providing material support to Hamas. The two men are alleged to have told an FBI informant posing as a Hamas member that they shared a common ideology in opposing the US government, and offered to act as mercenaries.
Two human sources are identified as being central to the judgments in the intelligence assessment. One of the sources has reported various threats since 2017, and some of the information reported has since been corroborated. The report mentions one source, claiming to have “direct access” to the Boogaloos, quoting a heavily armed member’s intentions to “hunt” anti-fascist anarchists and shoot any looters. The language echoes that of President Trump, who, following this summer’s civil unrest, tweeted, “When the looting starts, the shooting starts.” As The Nation reported in June, the same day that Trump announced his intention to designate “Antifa” a terrorist group, the FBI’s Washington Field Office was unable to find any evidence of antifa involvement in the violence. However, in July, The Nation reported that the US intelligence community was tracking a “potential threat to law enforcement” from the Boogaloos. While antifa groups have engaged in acts of property destruction and sometimes violence, a recent study published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies found that anti-fascist groups have not been involved in a single murder in the United States in the past 25 years.
The intelligence report concludes by citing concerns of the Boogaloos’ “increased ‘patrolling’ or attendance at events” amenable to their cause. You might say those orders are coming from the top—at the presidential debate last night, President Trump called for his supporters to patrol polling places. “I’m urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that’s what has to happen,” Trump said.
Meanwhile, those of us on the left keep hearing from our most radical elements that Biden is a hopeless racist dinosaur. Tit for tat indeed.
He didn't even know who the Proud Boys were.But like i said previously on here, he officially designated KKK as a terrorist organisation last month.Biden had 8 years to do this, why didn't he? Biden even gave a eulogy at former KKK recruiter Robert Byrds funeral.C'mon man!
Trump has condemned white supremacy many, many times.
But he constantly compares Antifa to white supremacists and says they are worse. All the evidence provided by law enforcement, who would be the ones in possession of the actual facts around this, says that the opposite is true, that Antifa have been barely active this year (ie barely involved in BLM) and white supremacists are the biggest terrorist threat to the US, and have infiltrated the police without trying because police officers are volunteering to use police resources inservice of white supremacist goals. Do you ever hear Trump talking about this stuff? Why not?
No, probably because it's absolute nonsense. Police unions are all backing Trump because the violence is in democrat owned cities like Portland, which voted around 80% for Clinton in 2016.These are Antifa thugs.
Question : Why would white supremacists riot in Portland and Seattle when Trump is supposedly working for them and is still president? It's Antifa rioting in Portland and Seattle because these are leftist enclaves, they hate the president and do not agree with the way things are going for them.We've all seen the recent polls that said 40% of democrats were happy Trump got COVID.It's really quite basic.They hate Trump to that extent, very angry people.
On October 07 2020 21:01 farvacola wrote: The unwillingness of folks like Nettles to wrestle with the implications of the fact that particular kinds of awful people support the same people they do will not be forgotten. Here's one among a host of reasons why Nettle's post is divorced from reality in lockstep with the far-right media he consumes.
Asked at yesterday’s presidential debate if he would condemn white supremacist violence by groups like the Proud Boys, President Trump was defiant, remarking: “Almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not the right-wing.” But that very same day, the FBI issued an intelligence report warning of an imminent “violent extremist threat” posed by a far-right militia that includes white supremacists—identifying the current election period up to the 2021 inauguration as a “potential flashpoint.”
The report, obtained exclusively by The Nation and titled “Boogaloo Adherents Likely Increasing Anti-Government Violent Rhetoric and Activities, Increasing Domestic Violent Extremist Threat in the FBI Dallas Area of Responsibility,” warns of the threat posed by the far-right militia group known as the “Boogaloos.” Marked for official use only and law enforcement sensitive, the document was prepared by the FBI’s Dallas Field Office and is dated September 29, 2020. It draws on a wide array of intelligence sources, making specific mention of human sources—suggesting that the Bureau may have confidential informants within the group. The document points to several catalysts for the rise in the group’s membership, including resentment over perceived government overreach embodied by the Covid-19 shutdown and the presidential election.
The document states,
FBI Dallas Field Office judges in the next three months, continuing up to the January 2021 inauguration with the presidential elections acting as a potential flashpoint, boogaloo adherents likely will expand influence within the FBI Dallas AOR [Area of Responsibility] due to the presence of existing anti-government or anti-authority violent extremists, the sentiment of perceived government overreach, heightened tensions due to COVID-19-related state and local restrictions, and violence or criminal activity at lawful protests as a result of the death of an African American USPER [US person] in Minneapolis, factors that led to violence at otherwise peaceful and lawful protests in the FBI Dallas AOR.
The word “Boogaloo” refers to a second American Civil War, which the loosely organized, fiercely anti-government group has declared its intention to bring about. Its members often wear an outfit of military fatigues and a Hawaiian shirt. While the Boogaloos clearly contain white supremacist elements—many members believe the coming civil war will be a race war—their main focus is strident opposition to government.
While skepticism of government is undoubtedly a common sentiment, the Boogaloos have distinguished themselves by carrying out significant acts of violence in furtherance of this belief. For example, this summer, one Boogaloo, Steven Carrillo, is alleged to have killed two law enforcement officers in Northern California. True to the group’s desire to hasten the next civil war, Carrilllo is alleged to have killed the law enforcement officers at an otherwise peaceful demonstration with a silenced machine gun, in hopes of provoking retaliation from the police against the demonstrators. Later in September, two other Boogaloo members were arrested and charged with providing material support to Hamas. The two men are alleged to have told an FBI informant posing as a Hamas member that they shared a common ideology in opposing the US government, and offered to act as mercenaries.
Two human sources are identified as being central to the judgments in the intelligence assessment. One of the sources has reported various threats since 2017, and some of the information reported has since been corroborated. The report mentions one source, claiming to have “direct access” to the Boogaloos, quoting a heavily armed member’s intentions to “hunt” anti-fascist anarchists and shoot any looters. The language echoes that of President Trump, who, following this summer’s civil unrest, tweeted, “When the looting starts, the shooting starts.” As The Nation reported in June, the same day that Trump announced his intention to designate “Antifa” a terrorist group, the FBI’s Washington Field Office was unable to find any evidence of antifa involvement in the violence. However, in July, The Nation reported that the US intelligence community was tracking a “potential threat to law enforcement” from the Boogaloos. While antifa groups have engaged in acts of property destruction and sometimes violence, a recent study published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies found that anti-fascist groups have not been involved in a single murder in the United States in the past 25 years.
The intelligence report concludes by citing concerns of the Boogaloos’ “increased ‘patrolling’ or attendance at events” amenable to their cause. You might say those orders are coming from the top—at the presidential debate last night, President Trump called for his supporters to patrol polling places. “I’m urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that’s what has to happen,” Trump said.
Meanwhile, those of us on the left keep hearing from our most radical elements that Biden is a hopeless racist dinosaur. Tit for tat indeed.
He didn't even know who the Proud Boys were.But like i said previously on here, he officially designated KKK as a terrorist organisation last month.Biden had 8 years to do this, why didn't he? Biden even gave a eulogy at former KKK recruiter Robert Byrds funeral.C'mon man!
But he constantly compares Antifa to white supremacists and says they are worse. All the evidence provided by law enforcement, who would be the ones in possession of the actual facts around this, says that the opposite is true, that Antifa have been barely active this year (ie barely involved in BLM) and white supremacists are the biggest terrorist threat to the US, and have infiltrated the police without trying because police officers are volunteering to use police resources inservice of white supremacist goals. Do you ever hear Trump talking about this stuff? Why not?
No, probably because it's absolute nonsense. Police unions are all backing Trump because the violence is in democrat owned cities like Portland, which voted around 85% for Clinton in 2016.These are Antifa thugs.
Question : Why would white supremacists riot in Portland and Seattle when Trump is supposedly working for them and is still president? It's Antifa rioting in Portland and Seattle because these are leftist enclaves, they hate the president and do not agree with the way things are going for them.We've all seen the recent polls that said 40% of democrats were happy Trump got COVID.It's really quite basic.They hate Trump to that extent, very angry people.
So we're only talking about Portland and Seattle now. Is that because the rest of BLM was completely peaceful?
If you think I was talking nonsense, please read these. I don't expect them to have any effect on your Reddit Trumpism, but maybe there's something in the back of your mind that's willing to listen.
So the answer to your question of why white supremacists would start violence, its to discredit the movement, simple.
I don't doubt that some leftists are violent and do bad shit. Fine. But its a MASSIVE minority. There's always some people like that associated with any movement.
They say that some people are blind on the right eye, but when you look at Nettles, you notice that he also has a massive microscope attached to his left eye.
On October 07 2020 21:13 Gorsameth wrote: right, not like the 'rioting and looting' had a clear origin in black people being repeatedly executed by police. Obviously they should just accept that as part of every day life.
No, but maybe there are better ways of enacting change than burning down entire city blocks and killing people in riots? The epidemic is gang violence, but since that happens in democrat run cities and can't be used for political gain by the democrats it's only spoken in whispers.Hows Chicago?
Or should we look at the government for many years now, including under Trump, having put out reports that list white supremacists as the biggest terrorist threat to the US. here is the latest DHS report, released yesterday. On page 18
Among DVE(Domestic Violent Extremists), racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.
Do I need to link a list of all domestic terrorist attacks in the US? we can have a look at how many are left vs right wing (hint, you won't like the answer).
Right wingers aren't shutting down entire cities, they're not building cities within cities (CHAZ).Trump designated Antifa (along with KKK) as a terrorist organisation as well last month. You want to see left wing terrorism on an even greater scale than what we've been seeing? Watch what happens when Trump wins again in November.
More peaceful options then riots have been tried for decades, they didn't seem to be working.
I also wonder how gang violence justifies police executing citizens in cold blood in the street. I don't see much complaints about a coke dealer with a gun visibly tucked into his waistband getting shot when he reaches for it. The issue is people who are pinned down on the floor getting a knee on their neck for 5 minutes while everyone around is shouting how the man can't breath. But hey, no surprise you aren't willing to admit that Obama's election set off a large portion of the right when you also don't see the problem with black people being murdered in the streets by police.
If you think I was talking nonsense, please read these. I don't expect them to have any effect on your Reddit Trumpism, but maybe there's something in the back of your mind that's willing to listen.
Democrat house led group? No bias then. 700,000 full time cops in USA, 3,400 member online group.Whats that in % terms? A percentage of cops are sociopaths, nobody is debating that.Claiming this is some widespread issue is misleading.
So the answer to your question of why white supremacists would start violence, its to discredit the movement, simple.
BLM can do that by themselves, quite easily.Leftwing large scale anarchist mobs looting and rioting is hardly a new thing.Even in your neck of the woods.2011 UK riots? Police officer was found to have acted lawfully correct?
But hey, no surprise you aren't willing to admit that Obama's election set off a large portion of the right when you also don't see the problem with black people being murdered in the streets by police.
Not willing to admit it was due to race, but rather his policies. But, run a poll with Republicans on their approval rating regarding Clarence Thomas if you still somehow think this is about race.
If you think I was talking nonsense, please read these. I don't expect them to have any effect on your Reddit Trumpism, but maybe there's something in the back of your mind that's willing to listen.
Democrat house led group? No bias then. 700,000 full time cops in USA, 3,400 member online group.Whats that in % terms? A percentage of cops are sociopaths, nobody is debating that.Claiming this is some widespread issue is misleading.
So the answer to your question of why white supremacists would start violence, its to discredit the movement, simple.
BLM can do that by themselves, quite easily.Leftwing large scale anarchist mobs looting and rioting is hardly a new thing.Even in your neck of the woods.2011 UK riots? Police officer was found to have acted lawfully correct?
You have no idea what happened in the UK riots clearly. Mostly those riots were nothing to do with politics. There were protests that happened because fo the police shooting, but the riots were mostly just disaffected youths and criminal gangs using the protests as an opportunity to steal shoes and TVs, and settle scores. I guess you'll want to blame that on Antifa as well lol.
But hey, no surprise you aren't willing to admit that Obama's election set off a large portion of the right when you also don't see the problem with black people being murdered in the streets by police.
Not willing to admit it was due to race, but rather his policies. But, run a poll with Republicans on their approval rating regarding Clarence Thomas if you still somehow think this is about race.
Did you seriously just try to pull the 'black friend' card? Well that has certainly convinced me. Republicans can't be racist, they have a black "friend".
But hey, no surprise you aren't willing to admit that Obama's election set off a large portion of the right when you also don't see the problem with black people being murdered in the streets by police.
Not willing to admit it was due to race, but rather his policies. But, run a poll with Republicans on their approval rating regarding Clarence Thomas if you still somehow think this is about race.
Did you seriously just try to pull the 'black friend' card? Well that has certainly convinced me. Republicans can't be racist, they have a black "friend".
It sounds like the argument is "If Republicans were ever willing to see past race in any circumstance, it means the existing bias is zero"
But hey, no surprise you aren't willing to admit that Obama's election set off a large portion of the right when you also don't see the problem with black people being murdered in the streets by police.
Not willing to admit it was due to race, but rather his policies. But, run a poll with Republicans on their approval rating regarding Clarence Thomas if you still somehow think this is about race.
Oh it was because of his policies that they made up a conspiracy about him being born in Kenya. You know with the chief conspiracist being the guy you people voted in office and want to reelect.
But hey, no surprise you aren't willing to admit that Obama's election set off a large portion of the right when you also don't see the problem with black people being murdered in the streets by police.
Not willing to admit it was due to race, but rather his policies. But, run a poll with Republicans on their approval rating regarding Clarence Thomas if you still somehow think this is about race.
It is eminently possible for people to have problematic racial attitudes while approving of a singular black individual.
I find the narratives you pump out increasingly nonsensical, given they seem to entirely ignore the Obama years and couch everything in ‘it’s not x, it’s a reaction to the excesses of the left’, which entirely sidesteps a large chunk of time that those on the left are themselves reacting to.
What about Chicago might suffice as a gotcha elsewhere, not really in this thread. While they’re linked phenomena, you can tackle crime or police malfeasance together or separately, it’s not a matter of one or the other.
Well this is infuriating. SNL paid guests $150 each so that they could be considered "essential employees". SNL decided it was absolutely crucial to have an audience, despite COVID and the rules surrounding it. God it is infuriating. What scum, total and complete arrogant, self-centered scum. Plenty of other entertainment ventures are suffering due to playing by the rules, but SNL decides to toss money at it to technically not break the rules. Go fuck yourself, SNL. Total garbage.
"Saturday Night Live" paid audience members $150 each to attend its season premiere on Saturday in an effort to comply with New York City coronavirus guidelines, according to The New York Times.
The program, which was broadcast live before an indoor studio audience at Rockefeller Center in New York City despite Broadway being shuttered and the city's movie theaters being closed, was hosted by comedian Chris Rock and featured Jim Carrey's first performance as Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
New York COVID-19 guidelines say media productions can only host an audience if comprised of paid individuals for the production company. By paying the audience, NBC was able to count them essentially as employees.
"SNL has confirmed that they followed the reopening guidance, including selecting audience members through a third-party screening and casting process and compensating them for their time as paid audience members," New York City Health Department spokesman Jonah Bruno said in a statement.
Have we discussed how Christopher Wray and multiple other directors of security and intelligence agencies have come out to say our elections are secure, and there are bad hombres out there trying to interfere?
On October 07 2020 23:55 Mohdoo wrote: Well this is infuriating. SNL paid guests $150 each so that they could be considered "essential employees". SNL decided it was absolutely crucial to have an audience, despite COVID and the rules surrounding it. God it is infuriating. What scum, total and complete arrogant, self-centered scum. Plenty of other entertainment ventures are suffering due to playing by the rules, but SNL decides to toss money at it to technically not break the rules. Go fuck yourself, SNL. Total garbage.
"Saturday Night Live" paid audience members $150 each to attend its season premiere on Saturday in an effort to comply with New York City coronavirus guidelines, according to The New York Times.
The program, which was broadcast live before an indoor studio audience at Rockefeller Center in New York City despite Broadway being shuttered and the city's movie theaters being closed, was hosted by comedian Chris Rock and featured Jim Carrey's first performance as Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
New York COVID-19 guidelines say media productions can only host an audience if comprised of paid individuals for the production company. By paying the audience, NBC was able to count them essentially as employees.
"SNL has confirmed that they followed the reopening guidance, including selecting audience members through a third-party screening and casting process and compensating them for their time as paid audience members," New York City Health Department spokesman Jonah Bruno said in a statement.
Well that is rather infuriating. Not sure how it is in various states over there but I have quite a few friends in performing industries who can’t earn a living presently.
On October 08 2020 00:24 ShoCkeyy wrote: Have we discussed how Christopher Wray and multiple other directors of security and intelligence agencies have come out to say our elections are secure, and there are bad hombres out there trying to interfere?
That looks like a clear, non-partisan message to me, seems perfectly fine. What does the twitter lady mean by him not having a job, Trump booting him over that ?
The thing that bugged me the most in the video is Nakasone looking in the prompter slightly to his left of the camera. It's somehow disturbing, more than seeing the other's eyes as they read :-p
On October 08 2020 00:24 ShoCkeyy wrote: Have we discussed how Christopher Wray and multiple other directors of security and intelligence agencies have come out to say our elections are secure, and there are bad hombres out there trying to interfere?
That looks like a clear, non-partisan message to me, seems perfectly fine. What does the twitter lady mean by him not having a job, Trump booting him over that ?
The thing that bugged me the most in the video is Nakasone looking in the prompter slightly to his left of the camera. It's somehow disturbing, more than seeing the other's eyes as they read :-p
On October 07 2020 21:56 Simberto wrote: They say that some people are blind on the right eye, but when you look at Nettles, you notice that he also has a massive microscope attached to his left eye.
Yeah it's really depressing to watch him argue so consistently in bad faith, and do such astounding mental gymnastics in order to keep to his dogma. Zero intellectual integrity, which I guess happens when you're always defending the indefensible.
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