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On October 06 2020 06:34 Erasme wrote: Well, let's see how it goes. Maybe he had an incredibly mild case. I wouldn't stand next to him for the next 10 days tho.
People should isolate for 2 weeks after being free of symptoms. Leaving the hospital is not the same as having no symptoms. While I am sure they tossed him at the hospital earlier than they would for most people, it is important to remember leaving the hospital is not the end of a covid infection
That is incorrect however. People should isolate until their tests come back negative. 2 weeks after free of symptoms doesnt make sense.
On October 06 2020 06:48 JimmiC wrote: They had Canadian doctors talking about it and for their tracking what makes them determine whether it is a mild case or a severe case is whether or not the patient needs oxygen.
I also wonder how much of the hospital is following him to the Whitehouse.
The part where this comparison breaks down is that we don't know what sort of care Trump received. For all we know, its totally possible for him to go from oxygen-deficient to a brisk 5k run. It is possible he decided he'd take any medical risk necessary to make sure he is back on the campaign trail later this week. Maybe there are really risky procedures we don't know about. Tons of unknowns.
But in general, if we assume a mostly normal, known set of therapies, there is a lie somewhere. You can't go from needing oxygen to "completely fine" in 3 days. There are a lot of ways they might be able to lie.
By moving the goal post from "is sick" to "no longer at risk of dying", Trump is trying to define not being hospitalized as a successful recovery.
On October 06 2020 03:51 Nevuk wrote: Why do I get the feeling he's probably leaving the hospital against medical advice in order to make himself look strong?
On October 06 2020 04:52 LegalLord wrote: The real question I have is, is he going to self-isolate or go right back on the campaign trail after a brief bout of better health? One of these options is the smart one, and the other is more likely.
He didn’t self isolate when he went on that joyride yesterday with the secret service, why you think he’s going to isolate now. This is just pathetic North Korea quality propaganda to put up an image of him being a superhuman while doped up on a million drugs and steroids. Why Pence isn’t in control I don’t know but this administration already can’t handle the coronavirus in their own administration so sensible decisions obviously aren’t their strong suit.
In all likelihood he does feel alright and the doctors aren’t going to say no to a president who does whatever he wants. I got a bout of steroids in the past and it makes you like a superhuman. Didn’t sleep for a whole day. You feel like complete shit after the effects wears off, however.
Pence assuming control until Trump is better would probably have to be publicly recorded somewhere? Which makes Trump look weak and Trump can't look weak.
Chances are that a person who took an immune-suppressing steroid that should only be used in case of a severe case of the disease... is NOT actually healthy two days later and merely thinks he is.
On October 06 2020 06:34 Erasme wrote: Well, let's see how it goes. Maybe he had an incredibly mild case. I wouldn't stand next to him for the next 10 days tho.
People should isolate for 2 weeks after being free of symptoms. Leaving the hospital is not the same as having no symptoms. While I am sure they tossed him at the hospital earlier than they would for most people, it is important to remember leaving the hospital is not the end of a covid infection
That is incorrect however. People should isolate until their tests come back negative. 2 weeks after free of symptoms doesnt make sense.
The 2 weeks symptom free (I've seen 7-14 days), makes sense because lot of places don't give you another test to clear you unless you're hospitalized. You just are expected to isolate until X days after last symptoms. If you do have the retest option though, that's better.
As for Trump, the drug cocktail he's on can suppress symptoms. You can feel fine right up until you aren't, at which point you'd be glad to still be in a hospital. When I came out of surgery, I felt fine...for about an hour. Once the painkillers from surgery wore off though, I would've gladly maxed my credit card for stronger painkillers than what they prescribed.
On October 06 2020 06:34 Erasme wrote: Well, let's see how it goes. Maybe he had an incredibly mild case. I wouldn't stand next to him for the next 10 days tho.
People should isolate for 2 weeks after being free of symptoms. Leaving the hospital is not the same as having no symptoms. While I am sure they tossed him at the hospital earlier than they would for most people, it is important to remember leaving the hospital is not the end of a covid infection
That is incorrect however. People should isolate until their tests come back negative. 2 weeks after free of symptoms doesnt make sense.
My apologies. I thought people who had symptoms are told to wait until 2 weeks after symptoms are gone before returning to work or things like that. To my knowledge, people in Oregon are not being asked to re-test to make sure they are negative.
However, I would not necessarily assume whatever Oregon is doing is what is the safest thing to be doing.
On October 06 2020 06:34 Erasme wrote: Well, let's see how it goes. Maybe he had an incredibly mild case. I wouldn't stand next to him for the next 10 days tho.
Needing oxygen twice (that we know of) in a 36 hour timespan indicates a pretty severe case.
If he's trying to die in spite of the best possible medical care the decisions he's making are the ones I'd advocate. I predicted that he was going to ignore dr's advice, but I didn't really believe it deep down until I read this, and that he'd initially refused oxygen when Dr's tried to put him on it.
It is reminiscent of the Herman Cain timeline, where they continually posted updates about how he was feeling better, up until he died, then he tweeted that covid wasn't that bad from the grave (literally).
On October 06 2020 06:34 Erasme wrote: Well, let's see how it goes. Maybe he had an incredibly mild case. I wouldn't stand next to him for the next 10 days tho.
People should isolate for 2 weeks after being free of symptoms. Leaving the hospital is not the same as having no symptoms. While I am sure they tossed him at the hospital earlier than they would for most people, it is important to remember leaving the hospital is not the end of a covid infection
That is incorrect however. People should isolate until their tests come back negative. 2 weeks after free of symptoms doesnt make sense.
The 2 weeks symptom free (I've seen 7-14 days), makes sense because lot of places don't give you another test to clear you unless you're hospitalized. You just are expected to isolate until X days after last symptoms. If you do have the retest option though, that's better.
As for Trump, the drug cocktail he's on can suppress symptoms. You can feel fine right up until you aren't, at which point you'd be glad to still be in a hospital. When I came out of surgery, I felt fine...for about an hour. Once the painkillers from surgery wore off though, I would've gladly maxed my credit card for stronger painkillers than what they prescribed.
Well what you said might be what happens in practice in several places but it doesnt all of a sudden make sense just because there are no tests available to re-test.
Incubation period is at max 14 days. That is why the 14 day period is relevant, as after you are infected, you might get symptons the very next day or up to 14 days later. Some places went for the 7 day isolation because it was easy to enforce on the masses and partially because of the theory that you are only spreading the virus x amount of days before you show symptoms, even if you are already a carrier (this, like most things with this virus is still up for discussion). When you do in fact get infected, after you go through all the hardships (or none if you have zero symptoms) the rate in which you are actually free of the infection depends on a lot of factors.
People around here have done up to 4 tests for a month after getting no symptons and the virus was still active. Thus why the original sentence made no sense to me.
But please apologise my intervention and interruption, I didnt want to derail the thread :/ so please go back to the politics
On October 06 2020 06:34 Erasme wrote: Well, let's see how it goes. Maybe he had an incredibly mild case. I wouldn't stand next to him for the next 10 days tho.
Needing oxygen twice (that we know of) in a 36 hour timespan indicates a pretty severe case.
If he's trying to die in spite of the best possible medical care the decisions he's making are the ones I'd advocate. I predicted that he was going to ignore dr's advice, but I didn't really believe it deep down until I read this, and that he'd initially refused oxygen when Dr's tried to put him on it.
It is reminiscent of the Herman Cain timeline, where they continually posted updates about how he was feeling better, up until he died, then he tweeted that covid wasn't that bad from the grave (literally).
The only part I agree with here is that we will likely suddenly hear he's gone, we won't know when he's circling the drain. I think that would be a national security risk. Regardless of if Pence takes over or not, there isn't a benefit to the country knowing until its all worked out. From a strictly strategic perspective, we have no motivation to have day by day status updates.
Ted Wheeler down 11 points to a candidate who basically wants to rip the spinal cord out of the PPB. It isn't just antifa people who hate the PPB. This is basically her biggest issue. There is widespread hatred for the PPB across the city because they are terrible people.
Wheeler polled at 30% to Iannarone's 41%, with the remaining 29% of surveyed voters split between writing in a candidate (16%) or remaining undecided (13%). It's an especially notable result given that the poll was not conducted by either campaign, though PBA is supporting the mayor. (The poll has a four percentage point margin of error.)
On October 06 2020 08:01 Mohdoo wrote: Ted Wheeler down 11 points to a candidate who basically wants to rip the spinal cord out of the PPB. It isn't just antifa people who hate the PPB. This is basically her biggest issue. There is widespread hatred for the PPB across the city because they are terrible people.
Wheeler polled at 30% to Iannarone's 41%, with the remaining 29% of surveyed voters split between writing in a candidate (16%) or remaining undecided (13%). It's an especially notable result given that the poll was not conducted by either campaign, though PBA is supporting the mayor. (The poll has a four percentage point margin of error.)
Gonna vote for her but let’s be honest if portland didn’t want the police to exist they would have voted for Teresa not Sarah. I know I did.
On October 06 2020 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote: Did someone already post the video from fox news where Trump's campaign is hitting Biden for not having first hand experience fighting corona virus?
Which one? That’s been their message for a while now. Which really fits with modern conservative behaviour where they don’t care about anything until it personally impacts them.
Speaking of Fox News, Rudy is spending most of the interview coughing to the point the host has to ask him if the guy is OK.
Edit: Watched the video of Trump getting out and about. He looks like shit and is obviously having trouble breathing, if he wasn’t all about that machismo he should still be at Walter Reed posting candid shots of him in hospital and talking with hospital staff.
On October 06 2020 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote: Did someone already post the video from fox news where Trump's campaign is hitting Biden for not having first hand experience fighting corona virus?
Do you think she's actually fucking stupid or just has no soul?
At this point I'm getting ready for them to defend him infecting people by saying that the viral load he spreads has been in contact with his tremendously great genes, and that it's actually a blessing in disguise to receive those virus particles that have seen those amazing genes up close.
On October 06 2020 07:46 GreenHorizons wrote: Did someone already post the video from fox news where Trump's campaign is hitting Biden for not having first hand experience fighting corona virus?
Do you think she's actually fucking stupid or just has no soul?
At this point I'm getting ready for them to defend him infecting people by saying that the viral load he spreads has been in contact with his tremendously great genes, and that it's actually a blessing in disguise to receive those virus particles that have seen those amazing genes up close.
I mean if he survives were gonna start seeing “well trump is immune now , do you want a president who can still contract Covid during these trying times”
On October 06 2020 06:34 Erasme wrote: Well, let's see how it goes. Maybe he had an incredibly mild case. I wouldn't stand next to him for the next 10 days tho.
People should isolate for 2 weeks after being free of symptoms. Leaving the hospital is not the same as having no symptoms. While I am sure they tossed him at the hospital earlier than they would for most people, it is important to remember leaving the hospital is not the end of a covid infection
That is incorrect however. People should isolate until their tests come back negative. 2 weeks after free of symptoms doesnt make sense.
The hospital my wife worked at (she just quit) has a policy requiring everyone to work even if they test positive as long as they aren't showing symptoms. There are several major put others before yourself policies that are completely asinine.
EPT
