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On August 22 2020 10:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2020 10:40 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 22 2020 10:21 Danglars wrote:On August 22 2020 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
2016 is rather a while ago, why he got elected at that specific time should be separate from why he’s still hugely popular amongst ostensible Republicans now.
Trump 2016 was an outsider, in theory had his deal making savvy, his business competence, would drain the swamp etc etc. Shake things up.
In 2020 this is just demonstrably not the case but yet doesn’t seem to matter one iota.
I tend to agree with your analysis of why he got elected, but that’s 4 years ago now.
Trump 2020 is an incumbent. That should matter why he's hugely popular amongst ostensible Republicans now. He’s considerably more popular than Bush was amongst Republicans polled from what I have gathered. Granted that’s long enough ago to be considered a different era entirely with how politics is discussed and consumed. Iirc his numbers amongst Republicans are higher than Obama’s even were amongst Democrats as well though. It’s a borderline absurd approval rating really, given the lack of basic competence shown by this administration that is really quite something to behold. He's against a backdrop like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner (recent past, still remembered), Kevin McCarthy, and the most recent Republican Presidential Nominees. He would already be 75% for just not capitulating at the drop of a hat (Please don't call me a racist, massuh, I'll do anything). I grant you that if you weren't 1) politically engaged in Republican party politics during the Bush & Obama years and 2) deeply interested in the post-Tea Party Republican wave, then you probably missed it without that saying anything demeaning about your apprehension. He's running ahead of a mostly restrained and geriatric elected political establishment. Ask yourself what stunning achievements the GOP won the last time they have the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.
Who’s calling anyone a racist here?
What are Trump’s stunning achievements thus far? There’s really not a huge amount there. Even if he was running on neutral on base competence, which he really isn’t.
Specifically what’s he got done that’s so notable that it can outweigh his considerable and obvious flaws? That explains a what 75%+ approval rate as opposed to something in the 55-60 range.
It’s a source of considerable bafflement to me, I may take it to my grave I think. If Trump was actually some salt of the earth man of the people I could maybe understand why people would flock to him despite other flaws but it takes a cursory glance at his behaviour to see he doesn’t give a singular fuck about Joe Public whatsoever
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So does the USPS thing seem like an actual scandal? I am not educated on it but I sure don't trust the media's word on it either.
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During a global pandemic that is still ravaging too many places in the US it is rather prudent to have the choice to vote by mail. It's easy, it's safe - don't forget that a huge portion of the electorate is boomer material and/or not in the best shape, two factors not in your favor in case you get infected(BBC)
Data says its pretty damn secure as well. Reuters
Incidentally NOW seems to be the perfect time to make sweeping changes( among "other cuts" - removing 671 sorting machines, roughly 10 percent of the inventory via @Fox) to the institution crucial to delivering the ballots safely so they can be checked and counted.
Months ahead of of the election. And with everything else going on like around a thousand people dying EVERY SINGLE DAY in the US due to the virus(Covidtracker), an economy in the tank, RECORD unemployment, and if there won't be any deal reached for another stimulus round in the near future in Congress I would imagine actual social unrest and chaos... THIS seems to be the priority.
Oh and then there is this person in the oval office that's about as helpful in a crisis as gout. Shitposting from the sidelines about imaginary voter fraud and an impending election chaos one can't help but notice he not only appears to be warning about, but actually being involved in making it a reality. (Fox)
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On August 22 2020 10:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2020 10:40 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 22 2020 10:21 Danglars wrote:On August 22 2020 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
2016 is rather a while ago, why he got elected at that specific time should be separate from why he’s still hugely popular amongst ostensible Republicans now.
Trump 2016 was an outsider, in theory had his deal making savvy, his business competence, would drain the swamp etc etc. Shake things up.
In 2020 this is just demonstrably not the case but yet doesn’t seem to matter one iota.
I tend to agree with your analysis of why he got elected, but that’s 4 years ago now.
Trump 2020 is an incumbent. That should matter why he's hugely popular amongst ostensible Republicans now. He’s considerably more popular than Bush was amongst Republicans polled from what I have gathered. Granted that’s long enough ago to be considered a different era entirely with how politics is discussed and consumed. Iirc his numbers amongst Republicans are higher than Obama’s even were amongst Democrats as well though. It’s a borderline absurd approval rating really, given the lack of basic competence shown by this administration that is really quite something to behold. He's against a backdrop like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner (recent past, still remembered), Kevin McCarthy, and the most recent Republican Presidential Nominees. He would already be 75% for just not capitulating at the drop of a hat (Please don't call me a racist, massuh, I'll do anything). I grant you that if you weren't 1) politically engaged in Republican party politics during the Bush & Obama years and 2) deeply interested in the post-Tea Party Republican wave, then you probably missed it without that saying anything demeaning about your apprehension. He's running ahead of a mostly restrained and geriatric elected political establishment. Ask yourself what stunning achievements the GOP won the last time they have the Presidency, the House, and the Senate. User was temp banned for this post. This very much reads like your admitting that Trump has a high approval rating because he is 'sticking it to the Dems' and that his policy actions don't matter because the only legislative success that Trump has had was a tax cut for corporations and a tax increase for everyone but the rich.
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Can someone explain what was racist in Danglar comment? Might be lack if context knowledge or simply my level of english, but I don't understand.
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On August 22 2020 10:56 Danglars wrote:(Please don't call me a racist, massuh, I'll do anything).
Maybe it's funny in whatever community he has outside TL.
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On August 22 2020 20:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Can someone explain what was racist in Danglar comment? Might be lack if context knowledge or simply my level of english, but I don't understand.
"Massuh" is intended as imitating a black slave addressing his captor
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McSally suggests that her supporters fast and donate their meal money to her campaign. Feels a little surreal, but she said it on camera. Via Yashar Ali (NYMag/Huffpo). She was already behind, and this may ruin her chances completely (their defense is that she was taken out of context), and with the Senate being up for grabs any bit helps the dems.
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On August 22 2020 23:07 Nevuk wrote:McSally suggests that her supporters fast and donate their meal money to her campaign. Feels a little surreal, but she said it on camera. Via Yashar Ali (NYMag/Huffpo). She was already behind, and this may ruin her chances completely (their defense is that she was taken out of context), and with the Senate being up for grabs any bit helps the dems. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1296989517027487744
Maybe if her supporters weren't buying a phone every year she'd be able to afford her campaign. /s
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Makes sense, didn't know what "massuh" meant. That's not great, yeah...
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On August 22 2020 23:07 Nevuk wrote:McSally suggests that her supporters fast and donate their meal money to her campaign. Feels a little surreal, but she said it on camera. Via Yashar Ali (NYMag/Huffpo). She was already behind, and this may ruin her chances completely (their defense is that she was taken out of context), and with the Senate being up for grabs any bit helps the dems. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1296989517027487744
Arizona is not a very blue state, but it's going to have two Democratic senators by virtue of McSally being their opponent. She's not very popular.
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On August 22 2020 14:51 Doublemint wrote:During a global pandemic that is still ravaging too many places in the US it is rather prudent to have the choice to vote by mail. It's easy, it's safe - don't forget that a huge portion of the electorate is boomer material and/or not in the best shape, two factors not in your favor in case you get infected( BBC) Data says its pretty damn secure as well. ReutersIncidentally NOW seems to be the perfect time to make sweeping changes( among "other cuts" - removing 671 sorting machines, roughly 10 percent of the inventory via @ Fox) to the institution crucial to delivering the ballots safely so they can be checked and counted. Months ahead of of the election. And with everything else going on like around a thousand people dying EVERY SINGLE DAY in the US due to the virus( Covidtracker), an economy in the tank, RECORD unemployment, and if there won't be any deal reached for another stimulus round in the near future in Congress I would imagine actual social unrest and chaos... THIS seems to be the priority. Oh and then there is this person in the oval office that's about as helpful in a crisis as gout. Shitposting from the sidelines about imaginary voter fraud and an impending election chaos one can't help but notice he not only appears to be warning about, but actually being involved in making it a reality. ( Fox)
Thanks for the sources. I'm hesitant to assume a nefarious conspiracy based on general distrust of Trump, when it might still be the case that the USPS is capable of operating at full capacity even with less mail sorting machines. It has the smell of being another media-driven story, in line with Russian collusion and Russian bounties.
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Hahahaha
We really do live in the best timeline.
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Can someone describe to me what this QAnon business is? News articles seem to be skirting around describing what exactly is the conspiracy Qanon proscribes to.
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On August 23 2020 02:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Can someone describe to me what this QAnon business is? News articles seem to be skirting around describing what exactly is the conspiracy Qanon proscribes to.
Somebody on 4Chan started calling themselves "Q", saying they're an insider of the glorious Trump administration and is leaking the "truth" about the glorious leader and his war against the "Deep State". It has classics like Pizzagate, Hillary being a "shadow president", and Trump isn't actually friends with Epstein and involved with his child sex trafficing ring but only pretendeds so he can help bring it down.
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On August 23 2020 01:16 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 00:52 Doodsmack wrote:On August 22 2020 14:51 Doublemint wrote:During a global pandemic that is still ravaging too many places in the US it is rather prudent to have the choice to vote by mail. It's easy, it's safe - don't forget that a huge portion of the electorate is boomer material and/or not in the best shape, two factors not in your favor in case you get infected( BBC) Data says its pretty damn secure as well. ReutersIncidentally NOW seems to be the perfect time to make sweeping changes( among "other cuts" - removing 671 sorting machines, roughly 10 percent of the inventory via @ Fox) to the institution crucial to delivering the ballots safely so they can be checked and counted. Months ahead of of the election. And with everything else going on like around a thousand people dying EVERY SINGLE DAY in the US due to the virus( Covidtracker), an economy in the tank, RECORD unemployment, and if there won't be any deal reached for another stimulus round in the near future in Congress I would imagine actual social unrest and chaos... THIS seems to be the priority. Oh and then there is this person in the oval office that's about as helpful in a crisis as gout. Shitposting from the sidelines about imaginary voter fraud and an impending election chaos one can't help but notice he not only appears to be warning about, but actually being involved in making it a reality. ( Fox) Thanks for the sources. I'm hesitant to assume a nefarious conspiracy based on general distrust of Trump, when it might still be the case that the USPS is capable of operating at full capacity even with less mail sorting machines. It has the smell of being another media-driven story, in line with Russian collusion and Russian bounties. The timing of Trump talking about massive mail fraud in elections (which a federal judge has ruled he has to prove), then reducing funding right ahead of the election is just the way Trump does things. Setting himself up for a excuse if he loses, with just enough deniability that people already support him will continue too. At best it is a moronic decision given mail/packages are higher than normal because of the pandemic, and mail will be super important for the election months away. At worst it is a long game to dispute the elections and try to retain power.
I think this idea that trump is going to try to retain power is itself another conspiracy theory about him. Sure, trump has said some odd things about not accepting the results. But the Worst case scenario is that he's tweeting from the WH until Biden takes the oath of office and orders the relevant authorities to remove trump from the premises.
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On August 23 2020 02:17 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 01:16 JimmiC wrote:On August 23 2020 00:52 Doodsmack wrote:On August 22 2020 14:51 Doublemint wrote:During a global pandemic that is still ravaging too many places in the US it is rather prudent to have the choice to vote by mail. It's easy, it's safe - don't forget that a huge portion of the electorate is boomer material and/or not in the best shape, two factors not in your favor in case you get infected( BBC) Data says its pretty damn secure as well. ReutersIncidentally NOW seems to be the perfect time to make sweeping changes( among "other cuts" - removing 671 sorting machines, roughly 10 percent of the inventory via @ Fox) to the institution crucial to delivering the ballots safely so they can be checked and counted. Months ahead of of the election. And with everything else going on like around a thousand people dying EVERY SINGLE DAY in the US due to the virus( Covidtracker), an economy in the tank, RECORD unemployment, and if there won't be any deal reached for another stimulus round in the near future in Congress I would imagine actual social unrest and chaos... THIS seems to be the priority. Oh and then there is this person in the oval office that's about as helpful in a crisis as gout. Shitposting from the sidelines about imaginary voter fraud and an impending election chaos one can't help but notice he not only appears to be warning about, but actually being involved in making it a reality. ( Fox) Thanks for the sources. I'm hesitant to assume a nefarious conspiracy based on general distrust of Trump, when it might still be the case that the USPS is capable of operating at full capacity even with less mail sorting machines. It has the smell of being another media-driven story, in line with Russian collusion and Russian bounties. The timing of Trump talking about massive mail fraud in elections (which a federal judge has ruled he has to prove), then reducing funding right ahead of the election is just the way Trump does things. Setting himself up for a excuse if he loses, with just enough deniability that people already support him will continue too. At best it is a moronic decision given mail/packages are higher than normal because of the pandemic, and mail will be super important for the election months away. At worst it is a long game to dispute the elections and try to retain power. I think this idea that trump is going to try to retain power is itself another conspiracy theory about him. Sure, trump has said some odd things about not accepting the results. But the Worst case scenario is that he's tweeting from the WH until Biden takes the oath of office and orders the relevant authorities to remove trump from the premises.
This administration has shown me that when I think there's a political rock bottom that there is always a better, stronger shovel to be found. Taking unreasonable scenarios and discarding them as highly impractical only applies in reasonable times. Hell, I saw an article where Biden called Trump as going to mess with the USPS to fudge the election months ago and got blasted for it, only for them to update the story with current actual USPS fudge production.
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