US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2506

On July 18 2020 18:27 Furikawari wrote:

* Your gvt is doing the best that it can to interfere in the vote mailing process,
* In several states lead by people aligned with your gvt voting places are closed, strangely enough in areas that are recognized as being in favor of the other party
* And to add to all of this, it also targets people that can't really afford to take a day off to vote

It looks like a pattern isn't it?

We could also speak about how your gvt reprehended police brutality. Oh wait, they didn't...

Let's not even talk of what is going on in Portland.

We could also speak about how the way your gvt handled covid puts your country in roughly the same category than Russia/Bolsonaro's Brazil.

And yeah, this list could go on and on and...




Qualifying your political opponent of "terrorist" (or enemy of the people or whatever semantically equivalent) is a well known rhetoric of the fascist gvt. And that's not even considering the fact that this is used to discredit the BLM movement.

And btw there is no such things as "antifa terrorism" currently in the USA. Graffiti on courthouse and fed buildings? That's some high profile terrorism right here. (mind you that's what they use as an excuse for wath they are doing in Portland right now).



I guess that it was a mistake and you didnt want to imply that fascism isn't bad.

But for Romain Rambaud, a specialist in electoral law, it would be disastrous to implement electronic or postal voting only one month before the election, as it would affect the stability of electoral law.

"Voters would have huge difficulty adapting to and trusting this new system,” he writes on his blog, adding that it would introduce huge potential for errors and problems of electoral fraud.

On July 18 2020 21:04 farvacola wrote:
Even if we assume that the authoritarian impulse remains relative unchanged from the 60s to now (which is probably a fair assumption), technology facilitates authoritarian behavior in a way that distinguishes today from prior historical contexts, particularly with regards to data collection and privacy. The federal courts are also arguably more closed off to claims against government actors than they were in the 60s as well, though that's a complicated subject.


All that said, I don't think historical comparisons like this are especially helpful given that they usually serve as a sort of fool's errand that folks who otherwise agree argue over. A lot of disputes over history end up that way.

On July 18 2020 21:24 Wegandi wrote:


Well we haven't had a Kent State, so was it worse than or now? Is killing people worse or kidnapping? Thats the thing some things are worse some are better, but the implication of some people is that the current times are always some existential unprecedented era so its a free for all. That shit is just ahistorical and ignorant. (Not saying you are in that boat, but the poster from France sure is)

On July 18 2020 23:21 Furikawari wrote:


You sure make a hell lot of assumptions. That being said, considering you're disdain and the tone of your posts, you're not worth the time.

On July 18 2020 23:35 Wegandi wrote:


I'm just tired of hypocritical ignorant self-righteous Europeans (who just have to make their opinions known in a US politics thread about US politics). Feel free to ignore me if you want, but remember, Viva La Fascista France (damn, ya'll don't even have mail in ballots like us knuckle-draggers here in the States)!

On July 18 2020 21:18 Wegandi wrote:


Your examples are very narrow and highly partisan. Many western democratic countries don't even have mail-in voting; what does that say about them? Are they too fascist? Why this point of contention when the subject is about expanding mail-in voting (earlier balloting process, improved accessibility, etc.), not contracting what is currently available? Is this like saying the Government is shrinking because instead of a 12% budget increase it's only 3%? As for the other points sure, but it's not limited to one party (just like gerrymandering, a topic I know many folks like to broach, but rarely do so unbiased). It's not like the US is some roller-coaster where a Dem is in power and we're now free, when a GOP is in power the boots on the throats! It's been a steady erosion of our liberties with some victories here and there, but generally American's are less free than we were two decades ago, and two decades less free than decades before, and you get the point.

As for police brutality, that is a big problem, again, not limited by party, in fact Biden himself helped bring about the mess we are in so yay, I guess. Thanks Clinton for ya tough on crime BS, Nixon for the Drug War, and foreign policy consensus for the militarization of the police (All chickens always come home to roost as all Empires have shown throughout history). Then again, let's not point too many fingers as France has heavily cracked down on your own civil liberties after your terrorist attacks with new laws similar to our Patriot Act/NDAA and what not. Ya'll even protested a gas tax hike that was supposed to help the environment/fight climate change. Let's not act too high and mighty.

What happened in Portland is atrocious. Feds absconding with folks (regardless if they committed a crime or not) in the manner they did is reprehensible, but it's not surprising for anyone watching over the last 30 years. In fact, on the list of bad things its probably not top 15 (yikes). Ruby Ridge, Waco, Wounded Knee, Tuskeegee experiments, etc. Obama unilaterally executing an American citizen, etc. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

You want to make it out Orange Man bad, unprecedented, fascism, blah blah (he's just another in a long line of Presidents eroding our liberties). You're just ignorantly misinformed about America and the USG, or so blinded by your partisan/ideology to fail to see the obvious. By the way, last thing anyone should want is Antifa getting anywhere near power. Communism was so bad they had to invent a new word to describe its murdering horrors - democide.

PS: You want to hear something funny - France abolished postal (mail in) voting in 1975. Holy shit, ya'll some fanatical fascists.



^ lol.

The economic and demographic factors that distinguish Democratic and Republican voters also distinguish their capacity to cope with voter inconvenience. Democratic voters often have more constrained voting schedules and more limited transportation options, and thus less flexibility in managing voting times. There is, in general, a greater loss of votes due to voter inconvenience for the Democratic candidate, than the Republican candidate.

On July 18 2020 21:18 Wegandi wrote:
PS: You want to hear something funny - France abolished postal (mail in) voting in 1975. Holy shit, ya'll some fanatical fascists.

On July 19 2020 02:43 Furikawari wrote:
And regarding electronic vote, it's a joke, as a software developper I can tell you that I will ALWAYS fight against this. But on the other hand I understand why a guy like Wegandi thinks it's a good thing.... As long as the machine retailer are sold to republicans that is.

On July 19 2020 02:56 Dan HH wrote:

Mail voting in the US is attempting to solve issues that don't exist in France due to automatic registration, voting on Sundays and virtually no queues outside of foreign consulates.

On July 19 2020 03:46 Nouar wrote:

(Just to point out that we have only some form of automatic registration in certain cases, at 18yo for example. After moving we need to register to the town hall on the electoral list, then are sent a voter card -that you do not need to show to vote, only ID-. If you haven't done that, you can't just go to the polling place of your new place, it won't work.)

On July 19 2020 02:56 Dan HH wrote:

Mail voting in the US is attempting to solve issues that don't exist in France due to automatic registration, voting on Sundays and virtually no queues outside of foreign consulates.

I don't know why there isn't as big of a push for those other solutions as there is for mail voting, but the point of the poster you replied to was that opposition to it stems from not wanting to fix the electoral process by those that benefit from lower/filtered turnout rather than from a lack of necessity as in France.

What baffles me about you and Danglars is how you take the appearance of the US more seriously and personally than anyone else here yet at the same time are the most dismissive about fixing the issues that cause those negative appearances. You are more upset with pesky TLers pointing out the willfully broken voting process rather than with the willfully broken voting process existing.

On July 19 2020 02:43 Furikawari wrote:
And regarding electronic vote, it's a joke, as a software developper I can tell you that I will ALWAYS fight against this. But on the other hand I understand why a guy like Wegandi thinks it's a good thing.... As long as the machine retailer are sold to republicans that is.