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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 19 2020 17:49 GMT
#48621
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 19 2020 18:24 GMT
#48622
Trump would have long been banned on TL imo.
If only for refusing to educate himself in the slightest about the shit he's talking and ignorantly approving.

That alone should tell People enough not to vote for him.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
June 19 2020 18:28 GMT
#48623
On June 20 2020 02:49 JimmiC wrote:
It is like a tenuous plausible deniability when you don't fire these people after all this comes out. Even if he is not the brains behind it (which seems likely given he doesn't seem smart enough to do much, I mean the bleach thing was even dumber than when he changed a map with a sharpie), he is clearly alright with the strategy as he keeps these tremendous, just the best people around and it keeps happening.
He knows knows neo-nazi's vote for him and he likes people who vote for him. So while he may not come up with these ad's himself he certainly approves of them.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 19 2020 20:00 GMT
#48624
One of Trumps most recent tweets include not treating protesters like "normal" people. Literally people who are actively using their first amendment right shouldn't be treated humanely.
Life?
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 19 2020 20:57 GMT
#48625
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10026 Posts
June 19 2020 21:02 GMT
#48626
On June 20 2020 05:57 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdvM9K8N6OY


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.


The example you gave is nothing to do with facts or information though. Its either an obvious accident or you misheard it. You can't fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden' any more than you can fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden'.



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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 19 2020 21:35 GMT
#48627
On June 20 2020 05:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
One of Trumps most recent tweets include not treating protesters like "normal" people. Literally people who are actively using their first amendment right shouldn't be treated humanely.


But don't forget, Biden is way more divisive, since he doesn't kneel to social conservatism as if it is the assumed correct approach to society. By advocating for change, conservatives see him as more divisive than treating protesters as sub-human.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12080 Posts
June 19 2020 21:39 GMT
#48628
Treating people as subhuman does have a lot of tradition behind it. Humans have been doing it for millenia. Treating people as people is a pretty unheard of radical idea, i don't think we have ever seen a society which treats everyone like a person.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 19 2020 21:53 GMT
#48629
On June 20 2020 06:39 Simberto wrote:
Treating people as subhuman does have a lot of tradition behind it. Humans have been doing it for millenia. Treating people as people is a pretty unheard of radical idea, i don't think we have ever seen a society which treats everyone like a person.

And it's funny because appeals to tradition are formally considered a logical fallacy, yet that is the pillar of conservative philosophy. The entire thing is based on something that is defined as inadequate reasoning.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 19 2020 21:58 GMT
#48630
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 19 2020 22:16 GMT
#48631
On June 20 2020 06:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2020 05:57 BlackJack wrote:
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdvM9K8N6OY


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.


The example you gave is nothing to do with facts or information though. Its either an obvious accident or you misheard it. You can't fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden' any more than you can fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden'.





Right. It's either an obvious accident or I misheard it. We don't really know which so Facebook/Politifact are way out of line by declaring it factually false. I assume you are agreeing with me since you're saying it can't even be fact checked.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 19 2020 22:25 GMT
#48632
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-19 22:30:07
June 19 2020 22:29 GMT
#48633
On June 20 2020 07:16 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2020 06:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 20 2020 05:57 BlackJack wrote:
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdvM9K8N6OY


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.


The example you gave is nothing to do with facts or information though. Its either an obvious accident or you misheard it. You can't fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden' any more than you can fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden'.





Right. It's either an obvious accident or I misheard it. We don't really know which so Facebook/Politifact are way out of line by declaring it factually false. I assume you are agreeing with me since you're saying it can't even be fact checked.

Well that begs an interesting problem, is it possible to truthfully assert that a statement is false without directly implying a truer version of events? If “Biden said X” is said to be false, can’t that be true because “we can’t quite tell what he said but one version makes more contextual sense than the other?” is actually the truest thing to say about the quote in question?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9336 Posts
June 19 2020 22:31 GMT
#48634
On June 20 2020 07:25 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2020 07:16 BlackJack wrote:
On June 20 2020 06:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 20 2020 05:57 BlackJack wrote:
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdvM9K8N6OY


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.


The example you gave is nothing to do with facts or information though. Its either an obvious accident or you misheard it. You can't fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden' any more than you can fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden'.


Right. It's either an obvious accident or I misheard it. We don't really know which so Facebook/Politifact are way out of line by declaring it factually false. I assume you are agreeing with me since you're saying it can't even be fact checked.

He says. " I have a record of over 40 years and I'm going to be Joe Biden". In context I'm not sure how you would think he says beat, when they cut the clip I can see how you would.

It is like if you hear "there is a bathroom on the right" when CCR sang "there is a bad moon on the rise". It would be factually incorrect to the say the former, no matter what you think you hear.


That's the whole point of spreading the material. It's supposed to strengthen the narrative that he's senile.
You're now breathing manually
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 19 2020 22:36 GMT
#48635
Biden also has a stutter, so sometimes what he says will sound a little off from normal. I'm not sure the point of fact checking it, though, unless it's just to add context. (I can imagine people spreading that clip going "Wow, Biden is going sEn!le on facebook).
I think fact checks were run on people claiming Trump was saying "bigly" though, which is a very similar issue, so I don't think this is a media bias issue. (He's apparently saying "big league" but mashing the words together). Just a silly thing to fact check.

Some important news. Colorado just ended QI for cops, with very broad bipartisan support in both votes and statements from special interest groups (from Cato and ACLU). May start a sea change across the nation?

There's a TON of changes in the bill, it's an actual reform bill. The QI is the highlight though. Relevant portion :

The bill allows a person who has a constitutional right secured by the bill of rights of the Colorado constitution that is infringed upon by a peace officer to bring a civil action for the violation. A plaintiff who prevails in the lawsuit is entitled to reasonable attorney fees, and a defendant in an individual suit is entitled to reasonable attorney fees for defending any frivolous claims. Qualified immunity and a defendant’s good faith but erroneous belief in the lawfulness of his or her conduct are not defenses is not a defense to the civil action. The bill requires a political subdivision of the state to indemnify its employees for such a claim; except that if the peace officer’s employer determines the officer did not act upon a good faith and reasonable belief that the action was lawful, then the peace officer is personally liable for 5 percent of the judgment or $25,000, whichever is less, unless the judgment is uncollectible from the officer, then the officer’s employer satisfies the whole judgment .


(Not sure what the deal with the strikethough is. Maybe amendments from the og bill?)
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb20-217

ACLU tweet to support that this is what that legalese means.



The change also supported by the Cato institute (right wing think tank), and passed with broad bipartisan support.

The Cato Institute’s Project on Criminal Justice policy analyst Jay Schweikert, an expect on qualified immunity, praised Colorado’s accomplishment and explained the impact of the new law.

"Colorado has passed historic civil rights legislation, which both allows citizens to bring civil rights claims against police officers who violate their rights under the Colorado Constitution, and also clarifies that qualified immunity will not be a defense to any such claims,” he told Law&Crime. “While this law doesn’t affect the availability of qualified immunity in federal cases, it does ensure that Coloradans who are the victims of police misconduct will have a meaningful remedy in state court.”

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/colorados-progressive-governor-and-legislature-just-ended-qualified-immunity-for-police-officers/
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
June 19 2020 22:37 GMT
#48636
On June 20 2020 05:57 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdvM9K8N6OY


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.

Which is a problem, my previous posting on the matter is concerned with this and thus, ideally it’s largely limited to straight ‘this is indisputably false’ kind of things rather than more complex interpretation of multi-faceted phenomena.

The disturbing thing to me is tech giants basically allowing whatever nonsense goes because clicks are good and hey whatever negative externalities societally occur is on everyone else.

I do share your concerns about overreach, but the new media should be bound by the ostensible standards of the old media. Libel accountability, corrections for errors at the very least.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 19 2020 22:38 GMT
#48637
On June 20 2020 07:25 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2020 07:16 BlackJack wrote:
On June 20 2020 06:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 20 2020 05:57 BlackJack wrote:
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdvM9K8N6OY


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.


The example you gave is nothing to do with facts or information though. Its either an obvious accident or you misheard it. You can't fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden' any more than you can fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden'.





Right. It's either an obvious accident or I misheard it. We don't really know which so Facebook/Politifact are way out of line by declaring it factually false. I assume you are agreeing with me since you're saying it can't even be fact checked.

He says. " I have a record of over 40 years and I'm going to be Joe Biden". In context I'm not sure how you would think he says beat, when they cut the clip I can see how you would.

It is like if you hear "there is a bathroom on the right" when CCR sang "there is a bad moon on the rise". It would be factually incorrect to the say the former, no matter what you think you hear.


Yeah it makes more sense for him to have said "be" but that's kind of what a gaffe is: saying something that doesn't make sense.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 19 2020 22:47 GMT
#48638
On June 20 2020 07:29 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2020 07:16 BlackJack wrote:
On June 20 2020 06:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 20 2020 05:57 BlackJack wrote:
On June 19 2020 12:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
So apparently there’s some new controversy over Trump/CNN and Twitter, his account tweeting out some attempt at satire using CNN footage of toddlers hugging only selective editing it to make them be running away
twitter.com

First chance seeing this new Twitter filter in action (I rarely use it as a platform)

Small thing but I really do quite like the ‘this is fake news’ filter they’ve added. Enough replies to said Tweet saying it’s disgusting what CNN are publishing kind of points to the necessity of such flags.

I’m curious as to where this goes from here, Trump seems to be doubling down in his long-standing war against the media and now tech aggregators.

It’s long been my fear that the worst part of a mostly terrible legacy is going to be Trump’s tearing down of the media. Not that the media is without fault but a situation where a sizeable constituency of a nation outright doesn’t believe basically anything coming from the fourth estate regardless of veracity is a terrible state of affairs for societal cohesion.


The problem I have with this new trend of tech giants trying to filter out fake news is who gets to decide what the truth is.

For example, I saw a video the other day of Joe Biden supposedly committing a gaffe by saying he was going to "beat Joe Biden" + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdvM9K8N6OY


So I googled it and I found that Politifact which has a partnership with Facebook to combat fake news has deemed this to be false and that what he actually said was "I'm going to be Joe Biden." My problem is that when I watch that video it sounds more like "beat" than "be" to me. It's a little troubling if these tech giants that already have so much influence in our society are now also able to decide what the "truth" is and censor anything that doesn't go along with their version of it.


The example you gave is nothing to do with facts or information though. Its either an obvious accident or you misheard it. You can't fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden' any more than you can fact check 'i'm going to beat Joe Biden'.





Right. It's either an obvious accident or I misheard it. We don't really know which so Facebook/Politifact are way out of line by declaring it factually false. I assume you are agreeing with me since you're saying it can't even be fact checked.

Well that begs an interesting problem, is it possible to truthfully assert that a statement is false without directly implying a truer version of events? If “Biden said X” is said to be false, can’t that be true because “we can’t quite tell what he said but one version makes more contextual sense than the other?” is actually the truest thing to say about the quote in question?


Seems like they should just update their "truth-o-meter" to include more options like "disputed" or "undetermined."
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
June 19 2020 22:56 GMT
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Snopes does the “multiple truth values” thing iirc, but I don’t think this situation would come remotely close to qualifying. The point of the meme is “lol Biden is so senile he just said he’s gonna beat Joe Biden, he doesn’t realize that’s him.” Hilarious premise, don’t get me wrong, but it’s just not what happened. What happened is he went to say “be Joe Biden,” and you could argue his words didn’t come out quite clearly. If you wanna put an asterisk and call it mostly false instead of false, fine. But “disputed” or “undetermined” are cop outs, we know what happened and it’s not Joe Biden forgetting he’s Joe Biden.
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WombaT
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
June 19 2020 23:00 GMT
#48640
On June 20 2020 06:53 Mohdoo wrote:
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On June 20 2020 06:39 Simberto wrote:
Treating people as subhuman does have a lot of tradition behind it. Humans have been doing it for millenia. Treating people as people is a pretty unheard of radical idea, i don't think we have ever seen a society which treats everyone like a person.

And it's funny because appeals to tradition are formally considered a logical fallacy, yet that is the pillar of conservative philosophy. The entire thing is based on something that is defined as inadequate reasoning.

Happy birthday fellow Liquidian!

Not all conservatives of course, as per recent discussion as to Trump’s impact on a slight tangent and going off Danglars.

Don’t think it’s good for unity, don’t think it’s good for conservatives themselves with demographic shifts and a general.

I’m quite a socially conservative person in my personal life, I’m torn on the second amendment within the American context, I’m torn on the ethics of forcing bakers to do wedding cakes (we had a big case here, why are bakers at the forefront). I’m pretty radically left on most other things

I gave plenty the benefit of the doubt for years, at least with me personally the failure of vast swathes of conservatives to criticise Trump for anything, even trampling over their own stated principles, well no how do I compromise with someone over ‘deep principles’ that they don’t even hold fast to?

So I don’t think ultimately Trump will be particularly useful for conservative ideals in America in the medium or long run as he’s overplayed his hand hugely and much of the rest of the country are sick of playing ball
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