EPTWhat I am curious about is if this book is considered enough "evidence" to ask him to say stuff under oath and if that would make Pelosi willing to directly subpoena him and then go through with everything that comes with that. This is like him begging to be subpoena'd right?
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
What I am curious about is if this book is considered enough "evidence" to ask him to say stuff under oath and if that would make Pelosi willing to directly subpoena him and then go through with everything that comes with that. This is like him begging to be subpoena'd right? | ||
micronesia
United States24740 Posts
On June 18 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote: Bolton should just leak the book and claim to have his cloud hacked or something. I suspect he won't do this because it won't make him money. I don't think he has any other objectives for publishing the book. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On June 18 2020 07:45 micronesia wrote: I suspect he won't do this because it won't make him money. I don't think he has any other objectives for publishing the book. The alternatives are to go ahead with the publishing and get prosecuted like a political dissident or to never have it reach the public. The guy knows enough to not be able to leave the country I bet. Otherwise he might find refuge in Russia like Snowden. World seems upside down these days. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On June 18 2020 07:45 micronesia wrote: I suspect he won't do this because it won't make him money. I don't think he has any other objectives for publishing the book. I thought it was already leaked, wasn't it? Or just details of it? | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
At one point I was genuinely interested to read the political books that were OBVIOUSLY going to be spawned from this period of US politics, but Trump is so brazenly, obviously unfit in every sense of the word that I don't know if they'll be especially interesting in the end. And why does anyone care if it alleges double dealing? We all know Trump is completely immune to prosecution and impeachment. I don't know what it would take to cause a real break from him from his fans, but we should have passed that bar a half dozen times already if political actions were going to do it. | ||
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Falling
Canada11369 Posts
On June 18 2020 03:23 Simberto wrote: Because discriminating against gays is what the bible says, while the bible doesn't say anything about nazis, and at least they are for law and order. That being said, i am still generally in favor of regulating the big tech companies a bit more, especially related to stuff like privacy. I just don't think the Trump administration could do anything useful there, and would definitively try to use any attempt to push through some fascist bullshit that gives them more power to control content to make sure only goodthink is published. What I wonder is what wearisome strawman will I witness today. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
Not a coincidence Europe is aiming at getting their energy from Russia and 5G from China. It's a result of Trumps isolationist policy and the effort to monopolize every sector. The answer: More threats, or even medical equipment piracy. Also happened to Canada. Edit: Actually isolationist doesn't describe it properly, but it is the likely end result. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On June 18 2020 10:27 JimmiC wrote: I get Trump has been a disaster, but I'm not sure that trusting Putin and Xi is a better move. China is already being more aggressive with they "wolf warrior" diplomacy and Putin's government is actively putting out disinformation through bots to try to weaken democracies. Here is hoping you get your energy from Canada! And still somethings from the US, they are unpredictable, but here is hoping for a big change soon. I perceive Russia and China as being more concerned with keeping their governments together. They play the slow game. In the background they are aiming at gaining an economic advantage, with the EU having trouble staying neutral and just asking to be left out of the rattling while not locking out any side from having a piece of the purchasing power. Trump was trying to aggressively keep living standards elevated, but the unemployment and social unrest is an own kind of attest to the success of his toolkit. I don't believe the situation is going to revert within just a few years. We'll have to get used to lower living standards. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26034 Posts
Trump’s is blatantly transparent, not hidden at all and generally serves no greater national interest at all. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9246 Posts
On June 18 2020 10:18 Vivax wrote: The proposal of big tech regulation has been promptly met with the threat of new tariffs. Not a coincidence Europe is aiming at getting their energy from Russia and 5G from China. It's a result of Trumps isolationist policy and the effort to monopolize every sector. The answer: More threats, or even medical equipment piracy. Also happened to Canada. Edit: Actually isolationist doesn't describe it properly, but it is the likely end result. It would be naive to expect the American government to be fine with the EU imposing serious restrictions on companies that are mostly American. It's reasonable to expect Trump's reaction to be inadequate, but blaming all of this on him would be a stretch. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26034 Posts
On June 18 2020 10:18 Vivax wrote: The proposal of big tech regulation has been promptly met with the threat of new tariffs. Not a coincidence Europe is aiming at getting their energy from Russia and 5G from China. It's a result of Trumps isolationist policy and the effort to monopolize every sector. The answer: More threats, or even medical equipment piracy. Also happened to Canada. Edit: Actually isolationist doesn't describe it properly, but it is the likely end result. Almost like if you want to regulate the global internet you have to commit to some multilateral cooperation, oh wait Europe and Canada the Anzacs exist (of the vaguely cultural West), China exists? Japan and Korea exist? Africa exists? It’s yet more clownish strongman posturing because Twitter hurt his feelings. There’s an appetite for internet regulation, a pretty big one especially in Europe, which he’s sought to alienate through backslapping the U.K. and Brexit happening for political gain. Now he thinks he can unilaterally regulate the internet? Hahahaha | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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StalkerTL
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The only thing holding the country together is nationalism and a complete fear of any change, which is understandable considering the 1990s. Just about every other Eastern European country has ran laps around Russia in terms of liveability. Sounds familiar? It’s the same style the US is increasingly veering towards rather than your typical types of corruption in the form of business deals and massive pork barrelling. China absolutely isn’t the same as Russia in that regard. The politicians actively want to bleed Russia and its people dry. China doesn’t want to do that, they’re big on ethnic nationalism. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
On June 18 2020 11:05 Wombat_NI wrote: At least Russia/China have competent corruption, that’s well-hidden, or corruption for the ‘greater good’, whatever that means. Trump’s is blatantly transparent, not hidden at all and generally serves no greater national interest at all. China is calculating and machiavellian, but respects sovereigns. I have yet to see them try to meddle in the internal affairs of a country. Russia mostly has the attitude of someone who doesn't bow to anyone. Last I heard they were developing their own operating system, maybe for fears of windows being weaponized. On June 18 2020 11:13 JimmiC wrote: It is not "corruption" in Russia and China, the governments and the oligarchs are the same people and since they don't puts rules on themselves there is none to break. In China there is not even an opposing party to complain and if anyone disagrees even online they end up in dead or in a "reeducation camp". China is scary and only getting scarier, they have used the internet to surviel their people and only allow pro-government messages anywhere. Hell they almost kicked out Blizzard because one pro made a pro Hong Kong message and kicked out the NBA and cost them billions because one general manager supported Hong Kong's democracy. They are super organized and super ruthless. Authoritarian, centrally planned capitalism, it is pretty terrifying what they can accomplish. While I definitely wouldn't want to be a dissident in China, it's their own problem as long as they keep to themselves. This holier than thou attitude with regards to China is imo mostly a way of ostracizing them. Nobody seems to have a problem with how the Saudis do things when doing business with them. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26034 Posts
On June 18 2020 11:09 Sent. wrote: It would be naive to expect the American government to be fine with the EU imposing serious restrictions on companies that are mostly American. It's reasonable to expect Trump's reaction to be inadequate, but blaming all of this on him would be a stretch. Why is that naive at all? It’s naive to expect American tech companies to operate based on the first amendment and expect the entire world to just deal with it. Sure there’s an appetite to fight this, the reason it’s been pushed into some sort of US action is clearly a Trump action, happening within a week or so of his Twitter censure. So no it’s not all on him, but it’s happening because of him and his reason for doing so is not the legitimate/arguable stance that other people had prior to this, it’s purely punishing yet another enemy. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26034 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26034 Posts
China regulate hardcore within their own borders yeah, absolutely. They don’t really expand beyond that, Trump wants to censor the ‘Western’ internet as we know it because Twitter hurt his feelings. For the record I am actually pro more internet regulation, but coming from a totally different (and honest) position as Herr Trump | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26034 Posts
On June 18 2020 11:15 Vivax wrote: China is calculating and machiavellian, but respects sovereigns. I have yet to see them try to meddle in the internal affairs of a country. Russia mostly has the attitude of someone who doesn't bow to anyone. Last I heard they were developing their own operating system, maybe for fears of windows being weaponized. While I definitely wouldn't want to be a dissident in China, it's their own problem as long as they keep to themselves. This holier than thou attitude with regards to China is imo mostly a way of ostracizing them. Nobody seems to have a problem with how the Saudis do things when doing business with them. Agree 100% but we really should have a problem with China’s internal behaviour, and I fucking hate the Saudis. But hey we’ll tolerate it as long as they make stuff we want | ||
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