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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Vivax
22391 Posts
On June 18 2020 11:09 Sent. wrote: It would be naive to expect the American government to be fine with the EU imposing serious restrictions on companies that are mostly American. It's reasonable to expect Trump's reaction to be inadequate, but blaming all of this on him would be a stretch. America first under Trump encompassed reducing the budget deficit and imposing tariffs. It's only logical that the policy drives trade partners to the competition, but then the competition isn't tolerated because of security risks (5G) or whatever argument there is for northstream 2. It's a very confrontational course that can peak into America alone instead. On June 18 2020 11:14 StalkerTL wrote: Russia’s corruption isn’t competent, it’s the same style that America is veering towards. They’re extremely transparently corrupt to the point that politicians have had Russia’s conscripts waste time building their summer homes for the benefit of the country. Most of their children don’t even live in Russia for the majority of their lives, they’re in the UK, France and Italy because they know they’re stripping Russia dry. Even Russia’s Alex Jones who complains about the West doesn’t really live in Russia, he’s shipping cash and assets into Italy from memory. The only thing holding the country together is nationalism and a complete fear of any change, which is understandable considering the 1990s. Just about every other Eastern European country has ran laps around Russia in terms of liveability. Sounds familiar? It’s the same style the US is increasingly veering towards rather than your typical types of corruption in the form of business deals and massive pork barrelling. China absolutely isn’t the same as Russia in that regard. The politicians actively want to bleed Russia and its people dry. China doesn’t want to do that, they’re big on ethnic nationalism. The Russian scenario is coming soon imo. With the difference that Russia doesn't indebt itself, or maybe cannot after the default. We're just about ready for modern feudalism. Less work where you work for less. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24048 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 18 2020 12:33 GreenHorizons wrote: Looks like Atlanta PD had a bunch of walk-offs after the cop was charged with the murder of Rayshard Brooks. Good riddance to bad rubbish imo. Just a few bad apples, remember. Not a consolidated, unified culture around being degenerate, violent, insecure weakmen. Atlanta's mayor is clearly exerting enough authority that they can't tolerate it whatsoever. I wonder what it is that makes that so untenable? I can guess. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
The same DA in this case formerly charged officers with aggravated assault by saying the Taser they used in that instance was a deadly weapon. Defense lawyer probably already loves that the DA thinks Brooks is armed and firing a deadly weapon in a scuffle. Disclaimer that cops should undergo better training with weapons, de-escalation, and keeping their cool in scuffles. He has already been frisked and hadn't stolen any gun, just the taser, so there was no reason to fire. Sources: Intent to kill/legal scholars NYT analysis Felony murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon might be tough. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24048 Posts
On June 18 2020 14:40 Danglars wrote: It's a little scary to think the cop in Rayshard Brooks can get off with lesser charges. Uncooperative when being detained, he punches officers, and fights. In the fight, he discharges the taser twice (I've heard once too, and it's hard to go frame by frame in video at that quality, so whatever experts reviewing the tape with more time and tech than me eventually arrive on) as he flees. A jury in America, watching an arrested man wrestle officers to the ground, steal the taser, and shoot it at them twice, might fail to find him guilty on the more serious counts. Felony murder, and aggravated assault with a weapon hmm. The same DA in this case formerly charged officers with aggravated assault by saying the Taser they used in that instance was a deadly weapon. Defense lawyer probably already loves that the DA thinks Brooks is armed and firing a deadly weapon in a scuffle. Disclaimer that cops should undergo better training with weapons, de-escalation, and keeping their cool in scuffles. He has already been frisked and hadn't stolen any gun, just the taser, so there was no reason to fire. Sources: Intent to kill/legal scholars NYT analysis Felony murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon might be tough. You saying the cops that walked off their job in an attempt to hold the city hostage to avoid accountability for a murderer among them need some better training? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11896 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18322 Posts
On June 18 2020 11:15 Vivax wrote: China is calculating and machiavellian, but respects sovereigns. I have yet to see them try to meddle in the internal affairs of a country. Russia mostly has the attitude of someone who doesn't bow to anyone. Last I heard they were developing their own operating system, maybe for fears of windows being weaponized. While I definitely wouldn't want to be a dissident in China, it's their own problem as long as they keep to themselves. This holier than thou attitude with regards to China is imo mostly a way of ostracizing them. Nobody seems to have a problem with how the Saudis do things when doing business with them. China respects sovereigns? Tell that to Tibet or Taiwan. And if given free reign in the region, I'm sure Vietnam, the Philippines and other smaller nations surrounding them will be impressed by how much China respects sovereignty. They may not meddle *much* in western Europe, but they are making inroads into Balkan politics and Italy is also considering buying into their belt and road project, which is really just a trade of influence for infrastructure. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 18 2020 14:55 GreenHorizons wrote: You saying the cops that walked off their job in an attempt to hold the city hostage to avoid accountability for a murderer among them need some better training? In an attempt to hold the city hostage to avoid accountability for a murderer among them? That's awfully poetic, and a tad bit premature. Maybe they think the charges were excessive, or hastily prepared? If we're slapdashing the developing story about Atlanta police walkoffs, I say we also print the headline: "Protestors demand justice, flatscreens" But no, I'm talking about the point made earlier about unprofessional police and how they should be trained to respond to scuffles, fleeing subjects, unarmed (in the sense of guns) suspects. If they can't demonstrate control in some future high-energy police training, they shouldn't be on the force. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24048 Posts
On June 18 2020 15:35 Simberto wrote: Imo, they may need training frying burgers or something. Certainly need to find different jobs, preferably without human interaction. I don't think cops can handle the high-stress work environment of fast food kitchens though. | ||
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Vivax
22391 Posts
On June 18 2020 15:41 Acrofales wrote: China respects sovereigns? Tell that to Tibet or Taiwan. And if given free reign in the region, I'm sure Vietnam, the Philippines and other smaller nations surrounding them will be impressed by how much China respects sovereignty. They may not meddle *much* in western Europe, but they are making inroads into Balkan politics and Italy is also considering buying into their belt and road project, which is really just a trade of influence for infrastructure. I can't really speak for their neighbours. But I can tell who went off to pirate so called allies who constantly face threats and who sent around free medical equipment during the pandemic. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8107 Posts
On June 18 2020 15:47 Danglars wrote: In an attempt to hold the city hostage to avoid accountability for a murderer among them? That's awfully poetic, and a tad bit premature. Maybe they think the charges were excessive, or hastily prepared? If we're slapdashing the developing story about Atlanta police walkoffs, I say we also print the headline: "Protestors demand justice, flatscreens" But no, I'm talking about the point made earlier about unprofessional police and how they should be trained to respond to scuffles, fleeing subjects, unarmed (in the sense of guns) suspects. If they can't demonstrate control in some future high-energy police training, they shouldn't be on the force. The problem is that the only ones that can hold police officers accountable are the other police officers and the justice system. Time has proved again and again that the former would never happen and police immunity to legal action is basically built in the whole system. There are stories of complete psychopath moving for years from one PD to another, and there is simply nothing to stop them. Mild measures such as increase training is really clearly not enough. The US need to rethink the place of police in society, its role (that should definitely much, much narrower) and overhaul the relationship between police and justice so that officers can be prosecuted, like everyone else. Murders are the tip of the iceberg. If the police kills 1000 people a year, you can expect hundreds of time more totally unacceptable cases of abuse, assault and totally disproportionate use of force in situations that don't require it. I think saying that protesters want flatscreens because in the middle of those enormous protests, there has been some looting is ridiculous and beneath you. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On June 18 2020 17:30 Vivax wrote: I can't really speak for their neighbours. But I can tell who went off to pirate so called allies who constantly face threats and who sent around free medical equipment during the pandemic. We already discussed how China is now sending around "free" medical equipment like a loan shark. | ||
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farvacola
United States18864 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On June 18 2020 23:23 farvacola wrote: In a 5-4, SCOTUS protects DACA on the ground that DHS's decision to wind down the program was reviewable under the APA and arbitrary and capricious when reviewed accordingly. Link I like Thomas' dissent myself: Between 2001 and 2011, Congress considered over twodozen bills that would have granted lawful status to millions of aliens who were illegally brought to this country aschildren. Each of those legislative efforts failed. In the wake of this impasse, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) under President Barack Obama took matters into its own hands. Without any purported delegation of authority from Congress and without undertaking a rule-making, DHS unilaterally created a program known asDeferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). The three-page DACA memorandum made it possible for approximately 1.7 million illegal aliens to qualify for temporary lawful presence and certain federal and state benefits. When President Donald Trump took office in 2017, his Acting Secretary of Homeland Security, acting through yet another memorandum, rescinded the DACA memorandum. To state it plainly, the Trump administration rescinded DACA the same way that the Obama administration created it: unilaterally, and through a mere memorandum. ... Today’s decision must be recognized for what it is: an effort to avoid a politically controversial but legally correct decision. Memos can overturn memos. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On June 18 2020 23:23 farvacola wrote: In a 5-4, SCOTUS protects DACA on the ground that DHS's decision to wind down the program was reviewable under the APA and arbitrary and capricious when reviewed accordingly. Link I’ve been wondering about this news, maybe you’d know the answer: there’s a lot of administration rules that seem like a similar objection would apply, and I imagine there are ongoing legal challenges against many of them. Metering, MPP, and ending TPS for a lot of countries arbitrarily come to mind. Are all those gonna have to wind up at SCOTUS? And how long would we expect that to take? Or are they not reviewable under APA or something, so this objection wouldn’t apply? | ||
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farvacola
United States18864 Posts
On June 18 2020 23:30 ChristianS wrote: I’ve been wondering about this news, maybe you’d know the answer: there’s a lot of administration rules that seem like a similar objection would apply, and I imagine there are ongoing legal challenges against many of them. Metering, MPP, and ending TPS for a lot of countries arbitrarily come to mind. Are all those gonna have to wind up at SCOTUS? And how long would we expect that to take? Or are they not reviewable under APA or something, so this objection wouldn’t apply? There are a series of judge-made tests for figuring out the character of a particular administrative decision or rule, some are reviewable under the APA and some are not. The focus tends to be on the specific legal impact and malleability of the reg/rule in question, but this is a complicated area given how different an agency action can look depending on that agency's mission. It's helpful to keep in mind that Article III standing is oftentimes a bar to suit against a particular agency action; if a party bringing a lawsuit against an agency cannot show that they suffered a particularized, cognizable harm directly related to an agency action, they lose out of the gate on a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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micronesia
United States24779 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22430 Posts
On June 18 2020 23:45 micronesia wrote: how many hours/minutes does it take to get all senators into the chamber to hold a vote. Because that many hours before the inaugruration they would try it.How many days before inauguration day 2021 (assuming trump loses) would RBG need to expire in order for the GOP to make a serious push to fill her seat with a conservative? Heck they would try it with less time then that and hope no one notices. | ||
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