EPTMeanwhile 47% of Americans apparently think he is doing a good job at managing the crisis. I just want to know what a bad job means for those people. It's been a dumpster fire of a crisis management.
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Biff The Understudy
France7947 Posts
Meanwhile 47% of Americans apparently think he is doing a good job at managing the crisis. I just want to know what a bad job means for those people. It's been a dumpster fire of a crisis management. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23564 Posts
On March 22 2020 17:35 Biff The Understudy wrote: So Trump is just dismissing a report about what happened in the two last months as "inaccurate" because it exposed how he minimized the risk of the virus for weeks. Meanwhile 47% of Americans apparently think he is doing a good job at managing the crisis. I just want to know what a bad job means for those people. It's been a dumpster fire of a crisis management. Not if your intention is to use a self-made/exacerbated crisis to gain leverage and solidify power. That is Trump's M.O. and it shouldn't surprise us anymore imo. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7947 Posts
On March 22 2020 19:37 GreenHorizons wrote: Not if your intention is to use a self-made/exacerbated crisis to gain leverage and solidify power. That is Trump's M.O. and it shouldn't surprise us anymore imo. That sounds quite like the stuff of conspiracy theories. If we learnt anything from the past 3 years it's that the guy is an idiot, and completely incompetent rather than a skilled, machiavelian schemer. It just happens that his supporters are idiots too - or at least act as such when it comes to politics. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22036 Posts
On March 22 2020 19:53 Biff The Understudy wrote: Trump has, in the past, solved problems that he himself created and then took credit for how he solves problems so in that GH is right. However I agree with you that I don't believe trump purposefully let this get out of control so that he could claim credit for later fixing it. That sounds quite like the stuff of conspiracy theories. If we learnt anything from the past 3 years it's that the guy is an idiot, and completely incompetent rather than a skilled, machiavelian schemer. It just happens that his supporters are idiots too - or at least act as such when it comes to politics. Likely he didn't want to take strong measures because they would be unpopular so he just hoped nothing bad would happen. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23564 Posts
On March 22 2020 19:53 Biff The Understudy wrote: That sounds quite like the stuff of conspiracy theories. If we learnt anything from the past 3 years it's that the guy is an idiot, and completely incompetent rather than a skilled, machiavelian schemer. It just happens that his supporters are idiots too - or at least act as such when it comes to politics. No conspiracy theory, just a statement of observation. Trump clearly thinks he's basically king and has spent the last 3 years demonstrating it. How much is master crafted and how much is just id impulse is speculative, but that he has allowed crisis after crisis to manifest by way of his apparent incompetence only to be rewarded with political leverage and having his power more entrenched is demonstrable. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On March 22 2020 12:19 TheTenthDoc wrote: Just realize that this situation and the stress is causing heavy time dilation and that, just like most conventional media is going to bend over backwards supporting Biden, most social media is going to expose you overwhelming towards some combination of "Biden Bad." And as a supporter of universal healthcare (I refuse to call it Medicare For All because I know what Medicare is and I want something better for Americans), the discussion over how it would somehow do substantially better than a public option in this case kind of baffles me. Sometimes I get the perception that even Sanders is claiming that universal healthcare would make this a non-issue, which is very frustrating to me after voting for him. The problem here is going to be an infrastructure overload due to a black swan event, which is not going to go away when you allocate resources to maximize public health rather than to maximize life years of the wealthy. Once 500 people were in the United States with COVID-19, the system was going to be under stress to the point of failure. Whether people are scared of going to the doctor or not because of a price tag, whether they had paid sick leave, whether people pay their employer 250 dollars a month or the government 100 dollars, and whether Bloomberg has the same care as someone living in the LA tent cities. Things would be better, probably, but it would still be an unprecedented disaster (well, except for the Spanish flu). That said, what would happen in that case is pretty close to the definition of an untestable hypothesis, which is why I don't spend too much time debating it with myself. It’s not just universal healthcare, the crisis brings so many things into stark focus that dovetail rather neatly with things Sanders et al have been saying for years. The precarious existence of those at the bottom of the rung has been pushed way up the scale and that’s surely going to have ramifications on people’s attitudes towards stuff they would have discounted. I’m already working with a bunch of professionals who’ve been laid off or on hiatus while their job is shut and it’s only been a few weeks over here since things ramped up. In a crude analogy the virus is spreading the precious problems of the poor into being the problems of most people and that’s surely going to shift the ground somewhat. I do agree that x measure isn’t going to just solve this crisis but it may make them attitudes towards having them in place in ‘peacetime’ change, which isn’t a good look for Biden if he doesn’t shift too. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On March 22 2020 20:02 GreenHorizons wrote: No conspiracy theory, just a statement of observation. Trump clearly thinks he's basically king and has spent the last 3 years demonstrating it. How much is master crafted and how much is just id impulse is speculative, but that he has allowed crisis after crisis to manifest by way of his apparent incompetence only to be rewarded with political leverage and having his power more entrenched is demonstrable. Indeed, if gross incompetence could manifest in desirable results my dating life would be a lot less bleak. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
I didn't think they could make a ticket worse than 2016's ticket until now. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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micronesia
United States24752 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11712 Posts
This is just plain old normal corruption and cronyism. People individually abusing their power for their personal benefits, and that of those which support and pay them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22036 Posts
On March 23 2020 00:19 mierin wrote: There is a difference between "this is going to be bad, sell your stocks before the market crashes" and "lets make sure this goes extra bad so that the stocks crash".My state senator was recorded telling (rich) people how awful the virus would be weeks before Trump admitted it. Is it really a conspiracy theory to assume that this was done on purpose, so the rich could sell their stocks before the market crashed? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23564 Posts
On March 23 2020 00:38 Simberto wrote: Yeah. The problem is that conspiracy tends to mean this large, planning organisation of evil people all following a major plan to people. This is just plain old normal corruption and cronyism. People individually abusing their power for their personal benefits, and that of those which support and pay them. I feel like enough people here have played games like Risk or 1v1v1v1v1's to also understand how different parties can identify and act on mutually beneficial action without forming an elaborate conspiracy or "breaking rules". On March 23 2020 00:39 Gorsameth wrote: There is a difference between "this is going to be bad, sell your stocks before the market crashes" and "lets make sure this goes extra bad so that the stocks crash". Our entire government did the latter imo, they just did the "lets make sure this goes bad" part long before this virus or president. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On March 23 2020 00:19 mierin wrote: My state senator was recorded telling (rich) people how awful the virus would be weeks before Trump admitted it. Is it really a conspiracy theory to assume that this was done on purpose, so the rich could sell their stocks before the market crashed? Politicians always want to get re-elected. Whether it's because of the cause, the money, the status, or the fame, they want to be the ones in power. Having the stock market crash on your watch is provably a bad idea if you want to be re-elected, so I doubt they'd manufacture something like this on purpose. However, if it's going to happen anyways, letting your rich buddies know it ahead of time probably improves your chances of getting the support (monetary or otherwise) you need to cling to power. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On March 22 2020 17:35 Biff The Understudy wrote: So Trump is just dismissing a report about what happened in the two last months as "inaccurate" because it exposed how he minimized the risk of the virus for weeks. Meanwhile 47% of Americans apparently think he is doing a good job at managing the crisis. I just want to know what a bad job means for those people. It's been a dumpster fire of a crisis management. Trump says his handling is a perfect 10 and they believe whatever shit pours out of his mouth. Or they don't want to criticise their guy in an election year. Or they're just thick. Take a pick  | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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