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On March 03 2020 07:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 07:02 Falling wrote:
Yeah, I just posted in the other thread- Why do we have 2 threads discussing the same topic? This is the weirdest lapse in TL moderation I have ever seen. This is blatantly 2 semi-identical threads. What's the biggest issue in American politics right now? The democratic nomination? What would you say qualifies as a "mega thread"? Is it a thread that has some stuff, but not the most important and relevant thing? To me, the definition of "mega thread" means all-encompassing.
I would assume that conversations about the Democratic primary and nominees would be better placed in that thread, whereas other US political conversations would make more sense here.
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On Biden's mental decline, he's even starting to drop the basic political platitudes.
you can bet the GOP (this tweet is from the GOP) is salivating at the opportunity to run compilations of Biden doing stuff like this
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On March 03 2020 07:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 07:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 03 2020 07:02 Falling wrote:
Yeah, I just posted in the other thread- Why do we have 2 threads discussing the same topic? This is the weirdest lapse in TL moderation I have ever seen. This is blatantly 2 semi-identical threads. What's the biggest issue in American politics right now? The democratic nomination? What would you say qualifies as a "mega thread"? Is it a thread that has some stuff, but not the most important and relevant thing? To me, the definition of "mega thread" means all-encompassing. I would assume that conversations about the Democratic primary and nominees would be better placed in that thread, whereas other US political conversations would make more sense here.
My point is that the primary will always end up bleeding into US politics as a whole. And my impression is that the original reason to make a "mega-thread" was to consolidate these posts. So we have a thread that contains both A and B, then a thread only for B. It is silly.
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On March 03 2020 07:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On Biden's mental decline, he's even starting to drop the basic political platitudes. https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1234579299652554753you can bet the GOP (this tweet is from the GOP) is salivating at the opportunity to run compilations of Biden doing stuff like this
Oh my god. Biden's speech issues have gotten worse and worse over the past few months. He's been notoriously bad in the 2020 Democratic primary debates, and if it's him vs. Trump in the general election, there won't be a single coherent statement made by either man.
On March 03 2020 07:33 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 07:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 03 2020 07:20 Mohdoo wrote:On March 03 2020 07:02 Falling wrote:
Yeah, I just posted in the other thread- Why do we have 2 threads discussing the same topic? This is the weirdest lapse in TL moderation I have ever seen. This is blatantly 2 semi-identical threads. What's the biggest issue in American politics right now? The democratic nomination? What would you say qualifies as a "mega thread"? Is it a thread that has some stuff, but not the most important and relevant thing? To me, the definition of "mega thread" means all-encompassing. I would assume that conversations about the Democratic primary and nominees would be better placed in that thread, whereas other US political conversations would make more sense here. My point is that the primary will always end up bleeding into US politics as a whole. And my impression is that the original reason to make a "mega-thread" was to consolidate these posts. So we have a thread that contains both A and B, then a thread only for B. It is silly.
That's true. There's certainly redundancy.
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iunno I kinda like the other one moving a bit slower. 
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Lets say Biden declines further to the point where he's just a babbling mess, more so than he is now. Does the DNC continue to shovel him in as the nominee or do they back off and let Sanders run with it?
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On March 03 2020 08:09 Lmui wrote:
Lets say Biden declines further to the point where he's just a babbling mess, more so than he is now. Does the DNC continue to shovel him in as the nominee or do they back off and let Sanders run with it?
They 100% back Biden
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On March 03 2020 08:20 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 08:09 Lmui wrote:
Lets say Biden declines further to the point where he's just a babbling mess, more so than he is now. Does the DNC continue to shovel him in as the nominee or do they back off and let Sanders run with it? They 100% back Biden
Agreed. They're way too proud to admit that kind of flaw and allow Sanders any wiggle room. They'd rather lose the election in 2020, similar to 2016, than lose the party to progressives.
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On March 03 2020 08:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 08:20 Zambrah wrote:On March 03 2020 08:09 Lmui wrote:
Lets say Biden declines further to the point where he's just a babbling mess, more so than he is now. Does the DNC continue to shovel him in as the nominee or do they back off and let Sanders run with it? They 100% back Biden Agreed. They're way too proud to admit that kind of flaw and allow Sanders any wiggle room. They'd rather lose the election in 2020, similar to 2016, than lose the party to progressives.
About the only thing I can imagine them dropping him for is basically going full tilt generally offensive, dropping n-bombs and every other awful old person cliche you can imagine. He could be sitting in a puddle of drool on stage at a debate and that’d probably be fine with them, though.
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On March 03 2020 08:31 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 08:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 03 2020 08:20 Zambrah wrote:On March 03 2020 08:09 Lmui wrote:
Lets say Biden declines further to the point where he's just a babbling mess, more so than he is now. Does the DNC continue to shovel him in as the nominee or do they back off and let Sanders run with it? They 100% back Biden Agreed. They're way too proud to admit that kind of flaw and allow Sanders any wiggle room. They'd rather lose the election in 2020, similar to 2016, than lose the party to progressives. About the only thing I can imagine them dropping him for is basically going full tilt generally offensive, dropping n-bombs and every other awful old person cliche you can imagine. He could be sitting in a puddle of drool on stage at a debate and that’d probably be fine with them, though.
I mean the entire lead up to this is that people would vote for a potato or whatever over Trump, so I'd agree as well.
In fairness there are a lot of Neera Tandens and the like in the party for which Bernie's policies present a material threat to their fraudulent careers. So "anyone but Bernie (even if that means Trump in the end)" makes sense from practical perspective in that way.
A lot of Trump's opponents are making a lot of money off him, think about all the books alone.
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On March 03 2020 08:44 JimmiC wrote:
This is all pretty silly and full of assumptions. Perhaps we should wait and see what happens with this before anyone makes these bold proclamations. There was already a bunch of failed predictions of malfeasance at Nevada, none of which came true. I think most of the Democratic Party would rather beat Trump than stop Bernie. I also think there are a lot of Dems that think Biden has a better shot of doing that than Bernie. That you (and I) disagree with that does not make them somehow more willing to lose.
Just as the Reps caved to the tea party to try to win, so will the Dems to the progressives if they believe that is how to win. People on both sides care more about their team winning than policy. That has been shown over and over.
I don't really think so. There are a bunch of democratic/dnc elites that are immensely scared by the prospect of Bernie Sanders winning the nomination and him even winning the presidency. Why? Because he directly threatens their own careers/power. If Bernie Sanders wins the nomination he should (and will) restructure the DNC leadership. (Some) Democrats are scared out of their mind of Nina Turner et al taking over the DNC. Also the power structure of democratic establishment/think tanks/consultants and strategists is threatened. These people are probably the ones who might (not openly!) prefer 4 more years of Trump to Sanders (more so than Senators/Governors etc)
Edit: ...again sb was quicker than me
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Well Jimmi, take a look at this Atlantic article. Because Bernie paying his wife a living wage to work in political administration is basically the same as Biden funneling millions of dollars worth of contracts to family members: enrichment and nepotism.
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On March 03 2020 09:06 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 08:53 rope123 wrote:On March 03 2020 08:44 JimmiC wrote:
This is all pretty silly and full of assumptions. Perhaps we should wait and see what happens with this before anyone makes these bold proclamations. There was already a bunch of failed predictions of malfeasance at Nevada, none of which came true. I think most of the Democratic Party would rather beat Trump than stop Bernie. I also think there are a lot of Dems that think Biden has a better shot of doing that than Bernie. That you (and I) disagree with that does not make them somehow more willing to lose.
Just as the Reps caved to the tea party to try to win, so will the Dems to the progressives if they believe that is how to win. People on both sides care more about their team winning than policy. That has been shown over and over. I don't really think so. There are a bunch of democratic/dnc elites that are immensely scared by the prospect of Bernie Sanders winning the nomination and him even winning the presidency. Why? Because he directly threatens their own careers/power. If Bernie Sanders wins the nomination he should (and will) restructure the DNC leadership. (Some) Democrats are scared out of their mind of Nina Turner et al taking over the DNC. Also the power structure of democratic establishment/think tanks/consultants and strategists is threatened. These people are probably the ones who might (not openly!) prefer 4 more years of Trump to Sanders (more so than Senators/Governors etc) Edit: ...again sb was quicker than me ... I think if there really was this group of people actively trying to stop Bernie because of the fear of his politics...
You say this like Biden, Klobuchar, and Buttigieg weren't openly campaigning on their fear of Bernie's politics and media hasn't reported on the concerted effort to stop Bernie since the race started.
The argument has never been whether they existed, they irrefutably do, it was whether their efforts were ethical/pragmatic. In 2016 people argued it was, that argument is convincing far less people here and elsewhere in 2020. It's that simple.
EDIT: Just to put a cap on this, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and O'Rourke are endorsing Biden tonight. While Warren has absolutely no chance to win a majority, plurality, or even a close 3rd but is remaining in the race.
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I really hope all this endorsing and infighting is just part of the process, nature of the beast type of thing.
whoever the nominee is, I pray everyone gives that person support/endorsement. but i fear that wont happen.
the one wild card in all of this to me? Obama. it's obvious that he's picked his moments to speak up over the past 3 years. maybe all the division among democrats is on purpose and they know Obama will return to the spotlight to bring everyone together.
ok rant over. haha
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Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion.
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On March 03 2020 10:43 Gahlo wrote:
Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion.
Agreed it is abundantly clear that is the case and she should just endorse Biden or Bernie and let it be known where she stands.
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Night of the long knives for Bernie unfortunately. Dem establishment was waiting for this day.
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