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On March 03 2020 11:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 10:43 Gahlo wrote:
Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion. Agreed it is abundantly clear that is the case and she should just endorse Biden or Bernie and let it be known where she stands.
Warren is basically just the DNC preying on low info progressives. A few Facebook memes make her appear very progressive. By staying quiet, she helps keep those people from wandering. What the DNC really needs is for progressives to not rally around Bernie. Warren clogging things up makes that possible.
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On March 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 11:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 10:43 Gahlo wrote:
Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion. Agreed it is abundantly clear that is the case and she should just endorse Biden or Bernie and let it be known where she stands. Warren is basically just the DNC preying on low info progressives. A few Facebook memes make her appear very progressive. By staying quiet, she helps keep those people from wandering. What the DNC really needs is for progressives to not rally around Bernie. Warren clogging things up makes that possible.
I've seen this observation called everything from misogyny to conspiracy. It is obvious imo that she is being cynical again and hoping she can stay in the good graces of the establishment by playing the role you describe while leaving the door open to endorse Bernie if he still beat Biden despite the center consolidating around him.
I just hope her supporters are smarter/have more integrity than that.
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On March 03 2020 11:20 JimmiC wrote:
By this logic is Bloomberg actually a progressive who is attacking the DNC core by stealing votes from Biden?
No, he's a megalomaniacal billionaire.
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On March 03 2020 11:36 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 11:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:20 JimmiC wrote:
By this logic is Bloomberg actually a progressive who is attacking the DNC core by stealing votes from Biden? No, he's a megalomaniacal billionaire. Gotcha, so there is no chance that Warren and Bloomberg are just doing what is best for themselves...
I literally said that they are...
On March 03 2020 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:On March 03 2020 11:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 10:43 Gahlo wrote:
Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion. Agreed it is abundantly clear that is the case and she should just endorse Biden or Bernie and let it be known where she stands. Warren is basically just the DNC preying on low info progressives. A few Facebook memes make her appear very progressive. By staying quiet, she helps keep those people from wandering. What the DNC really needs is for progressives to not rally around Bernie. Warren clogging things up makes that possible. It is obvious imo that she is being cynical again...
This is beyond obnoxious at this point.
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On March 03 2020 12:00 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 11:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:36 JimmiC wrote:On March 03 2020 11:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:20 JimmiC wrote:
By this logic is Bloomberg actually a progressive who is attacking the DNC core by stealing votes from Biden? No, he's a megalomaniacal billionaire. Gotcha, so there is no chance that Warren and Bloomberg are just doing what is best for themselves... I literally said that they are... On March 03 2020 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:On March 03 2020 11:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 10:43 Gahlo wrote:
Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion. Agreed it is abundantly clear that is the case and she should just endorse Biden or Bernie and let it be known where she stands. Warren is basically just the DNC preying on low info progressives. A few Facebook memes make her appear very progressive. By staying quiet, she helps keep those people from wandering. What the DNC really needs is for progressives to not rally around Bernie. Warren clogging things up makes that possible. It is obvious imo that she is being cynical again... This is beyond obnoxious at this point. So if what is best for her is working with Bernie she will do that. Her not dropping out is not a guarantee that she actively trying to stop Bernie, any more than she is actively stopping Biden. It is far more likely that she either has decided that staying in best fits her future position, or that she simply has not decided what course she should take as maybe no one has made her a offer. Her hurting Bernie more than Biden is a symptom of the fact that her politics is more similar. And Bloomberg by the same token is hurting Biden more because it a symptom of his politics being more similar. Much like Bernie they are all making moves to do what is best for them, and their politics will take a back seat to that. TLDR- Warren and Bloomberg are both hurting their voters second choice candidate by staying in the race. The DNC is not working against Bernie by keeping Warren in it any more than the Progressives are hurting the moderates by keeping Bloomberg in it. Edit: In case it is still not clear, you think I'm saying the same thing as you when I say Warren is working in her best interest, because you believe it is a fact that her best interest is in stopping Bernie. I am suggesting that we don't know what is in her best interest, and at this point she might not either. Would it be better for her to openly campaign for Biden rather than just stay in? I don't know, maybe if he made her VP that would be better. Would be it be better for her to hang on and hope that Bernie needs to promise her VP or another important position to secure her commitment? I don't know and she might not either yet.
Until it becomes obvious that Sanders that winning delegate counts before the convention, everybody with half a brain knows that the DNC will just give it to anybody else. Until that happens, if she's being pragmatic, it's obvious playing ball with the DNC gives her the best outcome. Her remaining in the race only makes that further more likely.
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On March 03 2020 12:19 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 12:12 Gahlo wrote:On March 03 2020 12:00 JimmiC wrote:On March 03 2020 11:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:36 JimmiC wrote:On March 03 2020 11:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:20 JimmiC wrote:
By this logic is Bloomberg actually a progressive who is attacking the DNC core by stealing votes from Biden? No, he's a megalomaniacal billionaire. Gotcha, so there is no chance that Warren and Bloomberg are just doing what is best for themselves... I literally said that they are... On March 03 2020 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:On March 03 2020 11:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 10:43 Gahlo wrote:
Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion. Agreed it is abundantly clear that is the case and she should just endorse Biden or Bernie and let it be known where she stands. Warren is basically just the DNC preying on low info progressives. A few Facebook memes make her appear very progressive. By staying quiet, she helps keep those people from wandering. What the DNC really needs is for progressives to not rally around Bernie. Warren clogging things up makes that possible. It is obvious imo that she is being cynical again... This is beyond obnoxious at this point. So if what is best for her is working with Bernie she will do that. Her not dropping out is not a guarantee that she actively trying to stop Bernie, any more than she is actively stopping Biden. It is far more likely that she either has decided that staying in best fits her future position, or that she simply has not decided what course she should take as maybe no one has made her a offer. Her hurting Bernie more than Biden is a symptom of the fact that her politics is more similar. And Bloomberg by the same token is hurting Biden more because it a symptom of his politics being more similar. Much like Bernie they are all making moves to do what is best for them, and their politics will take a back seat to that. TLDR- Warren and Bloomberg are both hurting their voters second choice candidate by staying in the race. The DNC is not working against Bernie by keeping Warren in it any more than the Progressives are hurting the moderates by keeping Bloomberg in it. Edit: In case it is still not clear, you think I'm saying the same thing as you when I say Warren is working in her best interest, because you believe it is a fact that her best interest is in stopping Bernie. I am suggesting that we don't know what is in her best interest, and at this point she might not either. Would it be better for her to openly campaign for Biden rather than just stay in? I don't know, maybe if he made her VP that would be better. Would be it be better for her to hang on and hope that Bernie needs to promise her VP or another important position to secure her commitment? I don't know and she might not either yet. Until it becomes obvious that Sanders that winning delegate counts before the convention, everybody with half a brain knows that the DNC will just give it to anybody else. Until that happens, if she's being pragmatic, it's obvious playing ball with the DNC gives her the best outcome. Her remaining in the race only makes that further more likely. Everyone with half a brain new the Republicans were not going to nominate Trump and then low and behold they did, and he won, and the party all got in line. The same will happen to the Dem's if Bernie wins and sadly a bunch of people with full brains will keep focusing on some conspiracy and not that human nature is very wary of change.
I dunno, I always felt Trump fed into every little guilty pleasure the right has.
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If by guilty pleasure you mean being openly racist and not giving a shit about anyone not living right next to you, your probably right.
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Happy Super Tuesday! I'm headed out to vote as soon as the polls.open.
#NotMeUs
I hope Bidens campaign rots in it's grave
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On March 03 2020 12:19 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 12:12 Gahlo wrote:On March 03 2020 12:00 JimmiC wrote:On March 03 2020 11:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:36 JimmiC wrote:On March 03 2020 11:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:20 JimmiC wrote:
By this logic is Bloomberg actually a progressive who is attacking the DNC core by stealing votes from Biden? No, he's a megalomaniacal billionaire. Gotcha, so there is no chance that Warren and Bloomberg are just doing what is best for themselves... I literally said that they are... On March 03 2020 11:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:On March 03 2020 11:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 03 2020 10:43 Gahlo wrote:
Looks like a lot happened while I was at work.
It's time for Warren to go. If she really cares about anything she wanted us to believe she did, there's no point of her being in the race and the structure of it doesn't support her continued inclusion. Agreed it is abundantly clear that is the case and she should just endorse Biden or Bernie and let it be known where she stands. Warren is basically just the DNC preying on low info progressives. A few Facebook memes make her appear very progressive. By staying quiet, she helps keep those people from wandering. What the DNC really needs is for progressives to not rally around Bernie. Warren clogging things up makes that possible. It is obvious imo that she is being cynical again... This is beyond obnoxious at this point. So if what is best for her is working with Bernie she will do that. Her not dropping out is not a guarantee that she actively trying to stop Bernie, any more than she is actively stopping Biden. It is far more likely that she either has decided that staying in best fits her future position, or that she simply has not decided what course she should take as maybe no one has made her a offer. Her hurting Bernie more than Biden is a symptom of the fact that her politics is more similar. And Bloomberg by the same token is hurting Biden more because it a symptom of his politics being more similar. Much like Bernie they are all making moves to do what is best for them, and their politics will take a back seat to that. TLDR- Warren and Bloomberg are both hurting their voters second choice candidate by staying in the race. The DNC is not working against Bernie by keeping Warren in it any more than the Progressives are hurting the moderates by keeping Bloomberg in it. Edit: In case it is still not clear, you think I'm saying the same thing as you when I say Warren is working in her best interest, because you believe it is a fact that her best interest is in stopping Bernie. I am suggesting that we don't know what is in her best interest, and at this point she might not either. Would it be better for her to openly campaign for Biden rather than just stay in? I don't know, maybe if he made her VP that would be better. Would be it be better for her to hang on and hope that Bernie needs to promise her VP or another important position to secure her commitment? I don't know and she might not either yet. Until it becomes obvious that Sanders that winning delegate counts before the convention, everybody with half a brain knows that the DNC will just give it to anybody else. Until that happens, if she's being pragmatic, it's obvious playing ball with the DNC gives her the best outcome. Her remaining in the race only makes that further more likely. Everyone with half a brain new the Republicans were not going to nominate Trump and then low and behold they did, and he won, and the party all got in line. The same will happen to the Dem's if Bernie wins and sadly a bunch of people with full brains will keep focusing on some conspiracy and not that human nature is very wary of change.
You're being hilariously naive.
If the DNC considers Bernie a genuine material threat it will continue to work against him. Jeremy Corbyn was Labour's only chance at unseating the Tories, but the Labour Party considered him a threat and went on a protracted campaign of character assassination that basically destroyed the party.
Trump was never a threat to the Republicans. They resisted him because they thought he was so obnoxious that he was unelectable. Once it became obvious that the people would actually elect him they went in all the way. There was no real conflict.
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This whole dropping out system is pretty weird to me. The 4 states so far have all had very different results. So how can you make an informed decision as a candidate that Biden is now the one to pledge behind when he wins this one state? And wouldn't you want to see the result of all your campaigning at least until the 14 states voting today? Bloomberg hasn't even been on the ballot so far. All these polls and numbers on which campaign decisions are made include virtual Bloomberg votes, wouldn't you want to see his real performance before making a decision?
Also what happens to the ballots? Do they get reprinted when people drop out? Are they always printed last minute?
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The ballot I filled out in Virginia had lots of candidates no longer in the race such as Cory Booker and Marianne something that I had never even heard of.
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On March 03 2020 20:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This whole dropping out system is pretty weird to me. The 4 states so far have all had very different results. So how can you make an informed decision as a candidate that Biden is now the one to pledge behind when he wins this one state? And wouldn't you want to see the result of all your campaigning at least until the 14 states voting today? Bloomberg hasn't even been on the ballot so far. All these polls and numbers on which campaign decisions are made include virtual Bloomberg votes, wouldn't you want to see his real performance before making a decision?
Also what happens to the ballots? Do they get reprinted when people drop out? Are they always printed last minute? Normally yes you would wait for todays votes but they are dropping out to give Biden a bigger chance of winning. With them out there is a bigger chance Biden can reach the cutoff of 15% of votes to earn delegates.
They are not dropping because they cba or because they ran out of money but to given Biden a bigger chance of beating Bernie in the long run.
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On March 03 2020 21:42 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2020 20:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This whole dropping out system is pretty weird to me. The 4 states so far have all had very different results. So how can you make an informed decision as a candidate that Biden is now the one to pledge behind when he wins this one state? And wouldn't you want to see the result of all your campaigning at least until the 14 states voting today? Bloomberg hasn't even been on the ballot so far. All these polls and numbers on which campaign decisions are made include virtual Bloomberg votes, wouldn't you want to see his real performance before making a decision?
Also what happens to the ballots? Do they get reprinted when people drop out? Are they always printed last minute? Normally yes you would wait for todays votes but they are dropping out to give Biden a bigger chance of winning. With them out there is a bigger chance Biden can reach the cutoff of 15% of votes to earn delegates. They are not dropping because they cba or because they ran out of money but to given Biden a bigger chance of beating Bernie in the long run.
Same reason Warren is staying in. If there's one thing that Pete and Amy hate more than each other, it's poor people getting health care without being exploited.
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