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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On March 03 2020 03:41 farvacola wrote: Klobuchar is out and will endorse Biden. With both her and Pete dropping out, Bidden is almost assured to get to 15% in Cal (unless people still vote for them). Looks like we're in for a long one. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12467 Posts
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farvacola
United States18863 Posts
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
Yay !... Seriously, only elderly straight whites, with the "youngest" woman having virtually no chance. And they want the youngsters to come out and vote en masse... Out of all those, only Sanders has got a chance against Trump in the debates, maybe Warren can hold her own but she would get bitten hard with the Pocahontas scorn, Biden and Bloomberg would get completely trashed. A debate with Trump is not going to be run on ideas sadly. Problem is Florida is not going to vote for Sanders, and I'm not counting on a Texas flip despite the polls being nearly tied. I'm not looking forward to election day. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On March 03 2020 04:22 Nouar wrote: So the race is now between a 77yo, two 78yo, and a 70yo (nobody cares about Gabbard). Yay !... Seriously, only elderly straight whites, with the "youngest" woman having virtually no chance. And they want the youngsters to come out and vote en masse... Out of all those, only Sanders has got a chance against Trump in the debates, maybe Warren can hold her own but she would get bitten hard with the Pocahontas scorn, Biden and Bloomberg would get completely trashed. A debate with Trump is not going to be run on ideas sadly. Problem is Florida is not going to vote for Sanders, and I'm not counting on a Texas flip despite the polls being nearly tied. I'm not looking forward to election day. A combination of 3 of Pennsylvania + Wisconsin + Michigan +Ohio still do it assuming nothing else flip, but Florida is really the easiest way, if they can get it gaining only one other state would do it, even an possible Arizona + Florida could do it while losing all the contested rust belt state, but that's not really on the card right now. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12467 Posts
On March 03 2020 04:22 Nouar wrote: So the race is now between a 77yo, two 78yo, and a 70yo (nobody cares about Gabbard). Yay !... Seriously, only elderly straight whites, with the "youngest" woman having virtually no chance. And they want the youngsters to come out and vote en masse... Out of all those, only Sanders has got a chance against Trump in the debates, maybe Warren can hold her own but she would get bitten hard with the Pocahontas scorn, Biden and Bloomberg would get completely trashed. A debate with Trump is not going to be run on ideas sadly. Problem is Florida is not going to vote for Sanders, and I'm not counting on a Texas flip despite the polls being nearly tied. I'm not looking forward to election day. We can win without Florida or Texas if we get Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania back. My main concern for Sanders is a place like Virginia, I get the feeling that it's overall more liberal than leftist (I didn't check out polls for this btw, maybe I'm way off the mark). Regardless, you have to make a case where Biden has a more credible path. All the states where he's very strong are going to vote republican, he probably has a better chance in Florida sure but Florida has not been a very good bet in the past for Democrats and there's no reason to expect Biden to just seal it. | ||
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farvacola
United States18863 Posts
Wisconsin is also a tough one, but Bernie is polling well in Penn and Michigan. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
If I was dictator of the DNC I'd make it so primaries were ordered based on margins at the last election. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12467 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 03 2020 06:43 Nebuchad wrote: There is one more discussion that is not really being had and that probably should be, and it's the discussion about Biden deteriorating. More and more basic mistakes when he speaks. I can't imagine a debate with Trump going well... Yeah, Biden had a hell of a lot more charm 8-12 years ago, when he was a powerful buffer to Obama's campaign. Now... he comes off as just an angry old man who rants about how things haven't gone his way. Once all eyes are on him, rather than on the circus of the past debates... it feels like there could be some serious trouble. | ||
Falling
Canada11535 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24024 Posts
How does denying Bernie delegates and improving Biden's chance at claiming it through a contested convention help a progressive agenda? | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote: With Klob and Pete out it seems like people still clinging to Warren's campaign have lost the plot. How does denying Bernie delegates and improving Biden's chance at claiming it through a contested convention help a progressive agenda? Judging from my FB feed and Twitter the remaining supporters are either not progressive, value idpol more than progressivism, care more about aesthetics (Bernie shouts too much), or the small amount that liked Warren and aren't ready to let go based on where her campaign ended up. It's also probably not obvious to some people she's taken PAC money and backed away from m4a. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:02 Falling wrote: Yeah, I just posted in the other thread- big fan of him in 2008, 2012 debates. My favourite really. But he's been semi-incoherent this time around. His best shot was four years ago, but personal tragedy, plus (likely) Hilary's run kept him out. Now the effects of age seem to be piling on quite rapidly. Biden genuinely looks and sounds like a memory care patient. I say this as a person who frequently interacts with them in the healthcare industry. I'm not doing a long-range diagnosis and say he has full-blown dementia, but he clearly has notable cognitive decline compared to Sanders. Concerns about his ability to last 4 years in office (let alone 8) are very legitimate. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:02 Falling wrote: Yeah, I just posted in the other thread- Why do we have 2 threads discussing the same topic? This is the weirdest lapse in TL moderation I have ever seen. This is blatantly 2 semi-identical threads. What's the biggest issue in American politics right now? The democratic nomination? What would you say qualifies as a "mega thread"? Is it a thread that has some stuff, but not the most important and relevant thing? To me, the definition of "mega thread" means all-encompassing. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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GreenHorizons
United States24024 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:11 Logo wrote: Judging from my FB feed and Twitter the remaining supporters are either not progressive, value idpol more than progressivism, care more about aesthetics (Bernie shouts too much), or the small amount that liked Warren and aren't ready to let go based on where her campaign ended up. It's also probably not obvious to some people she's taken PAC money and backed away from m4a. Yeah, it seems like she's just turned into a repository for people too ashamed to support Biden in their disdain for Bernie. She started as a decent candidate (if one gives her a pass for what seemed like a cynical streak in 2016) but as her campaign increasingly became a jobs program for former Hillary staffers (after they left other campaigns in shambles) it spiraled down quickly. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 03 2020 07:22 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: You'd typically get law discussions going on or perspectives about perceived movements happening regarding politics in here. But lately it has just been about the Dem Nom. US politics includes more than the primary, but the primary will always end up being relevant in US politics. One of the threads totally includes the other thread. It is super messy and we see people literally posting the same point in both threads since both threads are carrying the same topics. It's a total mess. | ||
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