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On March 02 2020 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
With third place gone, this really is a two-person race, unless Bloomberg performs well on Tuesday.
Any ideas as to why the other irrelevant candidates haven't dropped out yet? Klobuchar and Warren and Gabbard have zero chance... The only reasons why they might stick around is for additional political exposure, to stop Bernie by trying to force a brokered convention, or to leverage their positions to bargain for a VP/ Cabinet spot imo. Thoughts?
bloomberg just off name recognition and advertising is getting polling numbers but i'm hesitant to believe those polling numbers just because of how artificial the bloomberg campaign has been.
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Canada8989 Posts
As a very practical question, will Pete still be on the ballots?
Barely two day seems like a pretty tight schedule to reprint millions of ballots if they already have been print/distributed. I would think there's also a pretty good chance a fair number of people don't realize he has dropped out before voting.
Someone know what happened in similar scenario in the past?
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Incredibly happy Buttigieg is gone. All that negativity, and for what?
This will help Sanders. To the moon, everyone!
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can't wait for pete to have to pivot from sanders will cause us to lose the house to attempting to campaign for him
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On March 02 2020 09:44 Nakajin wrote:
As a very practical question, will Pete still be on the ballots?
Barely two day seems like a pretty tight schedule to reprint millions of ballots if they already have been print/distributed. I would think there's also a pretty good chance a fair number of people don't realize he has dropped out before voting.
Someone know what happened in similar scenario in the past?
It happens (and is unfortunate); I'm pretty sure our NC primary ballots will have 12 candidates on them. That said, that is a big part of what the 15% vote threshold is designed to deal with. It is much worse for early voters than day-of voters, I think, but avoiding it with early voting is just impossible.
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On March 02 2020 04:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 03:27 pmh wrote:On March 02 2020 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 01 2020 21:42 pmh wrote:On March 01 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 01 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
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Is there some group effort by the "capitalist elite" to team up and stop Bernie, no. ... I know you don't accept class analysis as a viable framing, but your opinion on this will only increasingly conflict with what people see/experience daily, despite the discomfort it causes. I'll leave it at that. Steyer is out after finishing 3rd in SC. Sanders is the big fear and everything reasonable will be tried to stop him. There doesnt even need to be a conspiracy to try keep him from becoming the democratic candidate,its natural behaviour. Trump placing pence as head of the corona virus battle. A smart move,trump sees what lies ahead and he wants as little responsibility as possible so pence is the ultimate lightning rod. I dont recall this happening before in history,a president placing the vice president in charge of an important situation. (if anyone knows an example? ) No one is going to blame Pence instead of Trump. Trump will absolutely take the full blame is there is blame to be had. I am not sure trump will take the blame for it and i am not sure he should either. If you look at it then it isnt trumps fault,like what could he reasonably have done better? I can not think of anything really. He actually was in favor of stronger containment (when it came to flying back people from infected areas) but eventually did follow the advice of health officials. Also i think the democrats would maybe do best to leave it out the political discussion completely for now. Its a natural disaster which effects the whole country and for which noone can be blamed. Events like this tend to unite countries behind their leader,solidarity in difficult times and such. Putting a lot of emphasisis on the handling of the corona crisis might backfire severely. its sort of anti patriotic,critisizing the leader during a national "crisis" for which he can not really be blamed at all. The only "benefit" i can see for the democrats is that an event like this makes people more aware of the healthcare situation in the usa which could be a boost to someone with a very progressive reform plan for healthcare (like sanders). Not cut the pandemic preparation team two years ago. Take scientists seriously instead of being one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. Not put an anti-science Christian fundamentalist as the head of his response. Not constantly lie to the public about what is going on. This could easily turn into Trump's Katrina. Just because it's a natural disaster doesn't mean a politician doesn't warrant complaints. Bush was roasted for his horrible response to Katrina and deservedly so. This could go the same way for Trump.
I mean his strong borders stance is a positive.It's incredibly hard to stop a global pandemic virus, which survives on surfaces for two weeks but if you're going to attempt it you need to have strong borders for starters.If there's an outbreak in Mexico the wall would slow the spread.
Good luck Europe!
FWIW even if the USA could miraculously avoid this virus the global economic impact that is developing would still have a devastating effect.Economy is in real trouble.
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On March 02 2020 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
With third place gone, this really is a two-person race, unless Bloomberg performs well on Tuesday.
Any ideas as to why the other irrelevant candidates haven't dropped out yet? Klobuchar and Warren and Gabbard have zero chance... The only reasons why they might stick around is for additional political exposure, to stop Bernie by trying to force a brokered convention, or to leverage their positions to bargain for a VP/ Cabinet spot imo. Thoughts?
This race is unusual, the frontrunner is an outsider who people think has a ceiling, and there are still good odds of a brokered convention. Almost anything can happen. It doesn't surprise me that people are hanging around to see if the cards fall their way.
In particular, Warren might think she can position herself as a compromise candidate if the convention is heavily contested. I don't think it's likely to work but it's worth a shot, and she can angle to get VP from both Bernie and Biden as well.
Klob etc are a lot more questionable, but if things are this weird and you still have money I guess why not.
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On March 02 2020 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 04:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 02 2020 03:27 pmh wrote:On March 02 2020 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 01 2020 21:42 pmh wrote:On March 01 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 01 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
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Is there some group effort by the "capitalist elite" to team up and stop Bernie, no. ... I know you don't accept class analysis as a viable framing, but your opinion on this will only increasingly conflict with what people see/experience daily, despite the discomfort it causes. I'll leave it at that. Steyer is out after finishing 3rd in SC. Sanders is the big fear and everything reasonable will be tried to stop him. There doesnt even need to be a conspiracy to try keep him from becoming the democratic candidate,its natural behaviour. Trump placing pence as head of the corona virus battle. A smart move,trump sees what lies ahead and he wants as little responsibility as possible so pence is the ultimate lightning rod. I dont recall this happening before in history,a president placing the vice president in charge of an important situation. (if anyone knows an example? ) No one is going to blame Pence instead of Trump. Trump will absolutely take the full blame is there is blame to be had. I am not sure trump will take the blame for it and i am not sure he should either. If you look at it then it isnt trumps fault,like what could he reasonably have done better? I can not think of anything really. He actually was in favor of stronger containment (when it came to flying back people from infected areas) but eventually did follow the advice of health officials. Also i think the democrats would maybe do best to leave it out the political discussion completely for now. Its a natural disaster which effects the whole country and for which noone can be blamed. Events like this tend to unite countries behind their leader,solidarity in difficult times and such. Putting a lot of emphasisis on the handling of the corona crisis might backfire severely. its sort of anti patriotic,critisizing the leader during a national "crisis" for which he can not really be blamed at all. The only "benefit" i can see for the democrats is that an event like this makes people more aware of the healthcare situation in the usa which could be a boost to someone with a very progressive reform plan for healthcare (like sanders). Not cut the pandemic preparation team two years ago. Take scientists seriously instead of being one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. Not put an anti-science Christian fundamentalist as the head of his response. Not constantly lie to the public about what is going on. This could easily turn into Trump's Katrina. Just because it's a natural disaster doesn't mean a politician doesn't warrant complaints. Bush was roasted for his horrible response to Katrina and deservedly so. This could go the same way for Trump. I mean his strong borders stance is a positive.It's incredibly hard to stop a global pandemic virus, which survives on surfaces for two weeks but if you're going to attempt it you need to have strong borders for starters.If there's an outbreak in Mexico the wall would slow the spread. Good luck Europe!
It's already here and people go for a decent stretch of time before showing symptoms. The hypothetical wall was never going to stop it.
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On March 02 2020 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
With third place gone, this really is a two-person race, unless Bloomberg performs well on Tuesday.
Any ideas as to why the other irrelevant candidates haven't dropped out yet? Klobuchar and Warren and Gabbard have zero chance... The only reasons why they might stick around is for additional political exposure, to stop Bernie by trying to force a brokered convention, or to leverage their positions to bargain for a VP/ Cabinet spot imo. Thoughts?
While there is certainly a party-level desire to choose anyone but Bernie, I suspect that all of the individual candidates are in it for themselves and only stay in the race or leave based on what they might be able to get for it. Bloomer almost certainly is going for being president, Warren and Klobuchar seem to be as well but might be leveraging an opportunity for a VP/Cabinet post. Gabbard seems to be getting TV exposure for her continuing campaign, so I suspect that's the reason she's still in it.
I'll be somewhat surprised if after Super Tuesday we're left with more than just Biden, Sanders, and maybe Bloomer. Money is finite and the race tends to be a snowball after the key players have been determined.
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Northern Ireland26739 Posts
On March 02 2020 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 04:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 02 2020 03:27 pmh wrote:On March 02 2020 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 01 2020 21:42 pmh wrote:On March 01 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 01 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
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Is there some group effort by the "capitalist elite" to team up and stop Bernie, no. ... I know you don't accept class analysis as a viable framing, but your opinion on this will only increasingly conflict with what people see/experience daily, despite the discomfort it causes. I'll leave it at that. Steyer is out after finishing 3rd in SC. Sanders is the big fear and everything reasonable will be tried to stop him. There doesnt even need to be a conspiracy to try keep him from becoming the democratic candidate,its natural behaviour. Trump placing pence as head of the corona virus battle. A smart move,trump sees what lies ahead and he wants as little responsibility as possible so pence is the ultimate lightning rod. I dont recall this happening before in history,a president placing the vice president in charge of an important situation. (if anyone knows an example? ) No one is going to blame Pence instead of Trump. Trump will absolutely take the full blame is there is blame to be had. I am not sure trump will take the blame for it and i am not sure he should either. If you look at it then it isnt trumps fault,like what could he reasonably have done better? I can not think of anything really. He actually was in favor of stronger containment (when it came to flying back people from infected areas) but eventually did follow the advice of health officials. Also i think the democrats would maybe do best to leave it out the political discussion completely for now. Its a natural disaster which effects the whole country and for which noone can be blamed. Events like this tend to unite countries behind their leader,solidarity in difficult times and such. Putting a lot of emphasisis on the handling of the corona crisis might backfire severely. its sort of anti patriotic,critisizing the leader during a national "crisis" for which he can not really be blamed at all. The only "benefit" i can see for the democrats is that an event like this makes people more aware of the healthcare situation in the usa which could be a boost to someone with a very progressive reform plan for healthcare (like sanders). Not cut the pandemic preparation team two years ago. Take scientists seriously instead of being one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. Not put an anti-science Christian fundamentalist as the head of his response. Not constantly lie to the public about what is going on. This could easily turn into Trump's Katrina. Just because it's a natural disaster doesn't mean a politician doesn't warrant complaints. Bush was roasted for his horrible response to Katrina and deservedly so. This could go the same way for Trump. I mean his strong borders stance is a positive.It's incredibly hard to stop a global pandemic virus, which survives on surfaces for two weeks but if you're going to attempt it you need to have strong borders for starters.If there's an outbreak in Mexico the wall would slow the spread. Good luck Europe! FWIW even if the USA could miraculously avoid this virus the global economic impact that is developing would still have a devastating effect.Economy is in real trouble.
Oh noes not the economy!
Speaking of isn’t that Trump’s main well, Trump card? He goes on about it enough anyway.
Outside of actual tangible policies that make a measurable difference I don’t really understand why Presidents are lauded or castigated for ‘the economy’ anyway. It’s preposterous.
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Northern Ireland26739 Posts
On March 02 2020 10:52 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 02 2020 04:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 02 2020 03:27 pmh wrote:On March 02 2020 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 01 2020 21:42 pmh wrote:On March 01 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 01 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
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Is there some group effort by the "capitalist elite" to team up and stop Bernie, no. ... I know you don't accept class analysis as a viable framing, but your opinion on this will only increasingly conflict with what people see/experience daily, despite the discomfort it causes. I'll leave it at that. Steyer is out after finishing 3rd in SC. Sanders is the big fear and everything reasonable will be tried to stop him. There doesnt even need to be a conspiracy to try keep him from becoming the democratic candidate,its natural behaviour. Trump placing pence as head of the corona virus battle. A smart move,trump sees what lies ahead and he wants as little responsibility as possible so pence is the ultimate lightning rod. I dont recall this happening before in history,a president placing the vice president in charge of an important situation. (if anyone knows an example? ) No one is going to blame Pence instead of Trump. Trump will absolutely take the full blame is there is blame to be had. I am not sure trump will take the blame for it and i am not sure he should either. If you look at it then it isnt trumps fault,like what could he reasonably have done better? I can not think of anything really. He actually was in favor of stronger containment (when it came to flying back people from infected areas) but eventually did follow the advice of health officials. Also i think the democrats would maybe do best to leave it out the political discussion completely for now. Its a natural disaster which effects the whole country and for which noone can be blamed. Events like this tend to unite countries behind their leader,solidarity in difficult times and such. Putting a lot of emphasisis on the handling of the corona crisis might backfire severely. its sort of anti patriotic,critisizing the leader during a national "crisis" for which he can not really be blamed at all. The only "benefit" i can see for the democrats is that an event like this makes people more aware of the healthcare situation in the usa which could be a boost to someone with a very progressive reform plan for healthcare (like sanders). Not cut the pandemic preparation team two years ago. Take scientists seriously instead of being one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. Not put an anti-science Christian fundamentalist as the head of his response. Not constantly lie to the public about what is going on. This could easily turn into Trump's Katrina. Just because it's a natural disaster doesn't mean a politician doesn't warrant complaints. Bush was roasted for his horrible response to Katrina and deservedly so. This could go the same way for Trump. I mean his strong borders stance is a positive.It's incredibly hard to stop a global pandemic virus, which survives on surfaces for two weeks but if you're going to attempt it you need to have strong borders for starters.If there's an outbreak in Mexico the wall would slow the spread. Good luck Europe! It's already here and people go for a decent stretch of time before showing symptoms. The hypothetical wall was never going to stop it.
Doctor a few images, build a few segments, swear some folks to silence. Then just say you’ve built it.
The world’s first placebo wall, you’d save cash and stop people endlessly spouting nonsense about ‘if we had the wall’ to solve every problem from migration to illiteracy
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On March 02 2020 10:59 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 02 2020 04:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 02 2020 03:27 pmh wrote:On March 02 2020 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 01 2020 21:42 pmh wrote:On March 01 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 01 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
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Is there some group effort by the "capitalist elite" to team up and stop Bernie, no. ... I know you don't accept class analysis as a viable framing, but your opinion on this will only increasingly conflict with what people see/experience daily, despite the discomfort it causes. I'll leave it at that. Steyer is out after finishing 3rd in SC. Sanders is the big fear and everything reasonable will be tried to stop him. There doesnt even need to be a conspiracy to try keep him from becoming the democratic candidate,its natural behaviour. Trump placing pence as head of the corona virus battle. A smart move,trump sees what lies ahead and he wants as little responsibility as possible so pence is the ultimate lightning rod. I dont recall this happening before in history,a president placing the vice president in charge of an important situation. (if anyone knows an example? ) No one is going to blame Pence instead of Trump. Trump will absolutely take the full blame is there is blame to be had. I am not sure trump will take the blame for it and i am not sure he should either. If you look at it then it isnt trumps fault,like what could he reasonably have done better? I can not think of anything really. He actually was in favor of stronger containment (when it came to flying back people from infected areas) but eventually did follow the advice of health officials. Also i think the democrats would maybe do best to leave it out the political discussion completely for now. Its a natural disaster which effects the whole country and for which noone can be blamed. Events like this tend to unite countries behind their leader,solidarity in difficult times and such. Putting a lot of emphasisis on the handling of the corona crisis might backfire severely. its sort of anti patriotic,critisizing the leader during a national "crisis" for which he can not really be blamed at all. The only "benefit" i can see for the democrats is that an event like this makes people more aware of the healthcare situation in the usa which could be a boost to someone with a very progressive reform plan for healthcare (like sanders). Not cut the pandemic preparation team two years ago. Take scientists seriously instead of being one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. Not put an anti-science Christian fundamentalist as the head of his response. Not constantly lie to the public about what is going on. This could easily turn into Trump's Katrina. Just because it's a natural disaster doesn't mean a politician doesn't warrant complaints. Bush was roasted for his horrible response to Katrina and deservedly so. This could go the same way for Trump. I mean his strong borders stance is a positive.It's incredibly hard to stop a global pandemic virus, which survives on surfaces for two weeks but if you're going to attempt it you need to have strong borders for starters.If there's an outbreak in Mexico the wall would slow the spread. Good luck Europe! FWIW even if the USA could miraculously avoid this virus the global economic impact that is developing would still have a devastating effect.Economy is in real trouble. Oh noes not the economy! Speaking of isn’t that Trump’s main well, Trump card? He goes on about it enough anyway. Outside of actual tangible policies that make a measurable difference I don’t really understand why Presidents are lauded or castigated for ‘the economy’ anyway. It’s preposterous.
I mean Trump has a number of tangible economic policies. Whether it's his protectionism, trade negotiations/deals, tax cuts, and economic deregulation. Then there are less tangible things like his appointments at the federal reserve and him trying to bully the chairman into cutting rates lol. Whether or not you agree with these policies and their consequences, the fact remains that he does have some signature policies.
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On March 02 2020 10:55 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
With third place gone, this really is a two-person race, unless Bloomberg performs well on Tuesday.
Any ideas as to why the other irrelevant candidates haven't dropped out yet? Klobuchar and Warren and Gabbard have zero chance... The only reasons why they might stick around is for additional political exposure, to stop Bernie by trying to force a brokered convention, or to leverage their positions to bargain for a VP/ Cabinet spot imo. Thoughts? While there is certainly a party-level desire to choose anyone but Bernie, I suspect that all of the individual candidates are in it for themselves and only stay in the race or leave based on what they might be able to get for it. Bloomer almost certainly is going for being president, Warren and Klobuchar seem to be as well but might be leveraging an opportunity for a VP/Cabinet post. Gabbard seems to be getting TV exposure for her continuing campaign, so I suspect that's the reason she's still in it. I'll be somewhat surprised if after Super Tuesday we're left with more than just Biden, Sanders, and maybe Bloomer. Money is finite and the race tends to be a snowball after the key players have been determined.
Warren def could get a cabinet position in a Sanders presidency. Her own beliefs and policy line up pretty close to sanders, so having someone actually passionate about the subject pushing it is desirable and sanders has always been a pragmatist. He's talked about shooting for the moon a ton but he's doesn't turn down incremental changes and not always burning bridges to take symbolic stands.
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On March 02 2020 12:46 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 10:55 LegalLord wrote:On March 02 2020 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
With third place gone, this really is a two-person race, unless Bloomberg performs well on Tuesday.
Any ideas as to why the other irrelevant candidates haven't dropped out yet? Klobuchar and Warren and Gabbard have zero chance... The only reasons why they might stick around is for additional political exposure, to stop Bernie by trying to force a brokered convention, or to leverage their positions to bargain for a VP/ Cabinet spot imo. Thoughts? While there is certainly a party-level desire to choose anyone but Bernie, I suspect that all of the individual candidates are in it for themselves and only stay in the race or leave based on what they might be able to get for it. Bloomer almost certainly is going for being president, Warren and Klobuchar seem to be as well but might be leveraging an opportunity for a VP/Cabinet post. Gabbard seems to be getting TV exposure for her continuing campaign, so I suspect that's the reason she's still in it. I'll be somewhat surprised if after Super Tuesday we're left with more than just Biden, Sanders, and maybe Bloomer. Money is finite and the race tends to be a snowball after the key players have been determined. Warren def could get a cabinet position in a Sanders presidency. Her own beliefs and policy line up pretty close to sanders, so having someone actually passionate about the subject pushing it is desirable and sanders has always been a pragmatist. He's talked about shooting for the moon a ton but he's doesn't turn down incremental changes and not always burning bridges to take symbolic stands.
Feels like she's angling more for Biden's VP/admin slot than Bernie's to me. If she wanted to be in Bernie's, endorsing him tomorrow would lock that up imo.
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Klobuchar had to cancel an event in her home state as a result of protests about her history as a prosecutor.
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On March 02 2020 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 04:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 02 2020 03:27 pmh wrote:On March 02 2020 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 01 2020 21:42 pmh wrote:On March 01 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 01 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
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Is there some group effort by the "capitalist elite" to team up and stop Bernie, no. ... I know you don't accept class analysis as a viable framing, but your opinion on this will only increasingly conflict with what people see/experience daily, despite the discomfort it causes. I'll leave it at that. Steyer is out after finishing 3rd in SC. Sanders is the big fear and everything reasonable will be tried to stop him. There doesnt even need to be a conspiracy to try keep him from becoming the democratic candidate,its natural behaviour. Trump placing pence as head of the corona virus battle. A smart move,trump sees what lies ahead and he wants as little responsibility as possible so pence is the ultimate lightning rod. I dont recall this happening before in history,a president placing the vice president in charge of an important situation. (if anyone knows an example? ) No one is going to blame Pence instead of Trump. Trump will absolutely take the full blame is there is blame to be had. I am not sure trump will take the blame for it and i am not sure he should either. If you look at it then it isnt trumps fault,like what could he reasonably have done better? I can not think of anything really. He actually was in favor of stronger containment (when it came to flying back people from infected areas) but eventually did follow the advice of health officials. Also i think the democrats would maybe do best to leave it out the political discussion completely for now. Its a natural disaster which effects the whole country and for which noone can be blamed. Events like this tend to unite countries behind their leader,solidarity in difficult times and such. Putting a lot of emphasisis on the handling of the corona crisis might backfire severely. its sort of anti patriotic,critisizing the leader during a national "crisis" for which he can not really be blamed at all. The only "benefit" i can see for the democrats is that an event like this makes people more aware of the healthcare situation in the usa which could be a boost to someone with a very progressive reform plan for healthcare (like sanders). Not cut the pandemic preparation team two years ago. Take scientists seriously instead of being one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. Not put an anti-science Christian fundamentalist as the head of his response. Not constantly lie to the public about what is going on. This could easily turn into Trump's Katrina. Just because it's a natural disaster doesn't mean a politician doesn't warrant complaints. Bush was roasted for his horrible response to Katrina and deservedly so. This could go the same way for Trump. I mean his strong borders stance is a positive.It's incredibly hard to stop a global pandemic virus, which survives on surfaces for two weeks but if you're going to attempt it you need to have strong borders for starters.If there's an outbreak in Mexico the wall would slow the spread. Good luck Europe! FWIW even if the USA could miraculously avoid this virus the global economic impact that is developing would still have a devastating effect.Economy is in real trouble.
The best thing about walls is that they are well known for stopping viruses. Viruses don't know how to fly you see so they can't get over the wall.
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 02 2020 13:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 12:46 semantics wrote:On March 02 2020 10:55 LegalLord wrote:On March 02 2020 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
With third place gone, this really is a two-person race, unless Bloomberg performs well on Tuesday.
Any ideas as to why the other irrelevant candidates haven't dropped out yet? Klobuchar and Warren and Gabbard have zero chance... The only reasons why they might stick around is for additional political exposure, to stop Bernie by trying to force a brokered convention, or to leverage their positions to bargain for a VP/ Cabinet spot imo. Thoughts? While there is certainly a party-level desire to choose anyone but Bernie, I suspect that all of the individual candidates are in it for themselves and only stay in the race or leave based on what they might be able to get for it. Bloomer almost certainly is going for being president, Warren and Klobuchar seem to be as well but might be leveraging an opportunity for a VP/Cabinet post. Gabbard seems to be getting TV exposure for her continuing campaign, so I suspect that's the reason she's still in it. I'll be somewhat surprised if after Super Tuesday we're left with more than just Biden, Sanders, and maybe Bloomer. Money is finite and the race tends to be a snowball after the key players have been determined. Warren def could get a cabinet position in a Sanders presidency. Her own beliefs and policy line up pretty close to sanders, so having someone actually passionate about the subject pushing it is desirable and sanders has always been a pragmatist. He's talked about shooting for the moon a ton but he's doesn't turn down incremental changes and not always burning bridges to take symbolic stands. Feels like she's angling more for Biden's VP/admin slot than Bernie's to me. If she wanted to be in Bernie's, endorsing him tomorrow would lock that up imo.
I can't imagine a Warren-Bernie ticket personally, I don't see what Warren brings to the table on election night, Massachusetts isn't a swing state, they are both progressive based on the north-east, they are both white and have a relatively similar electorate, including in both case a weakness among african-american and older voters. If it was a two or three person race and Warren was polling at 30-40% it's another story, but right now I just don't see the logic behind it.
I could maybe see Julián Castro has a VP? Florida was a really bad state for Sanders last time around and the democrats easiest pathway goes through Florida, maybe a latino as vp could help? (+ there's always the everlasting democrat dream of flipping Texas) I have to say it's not an especially informed opinion tho.
Edit: Oups, if you meant just a spot in the administration, then yeah she could maybe make a deal with Bernie
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On March 02 2020 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2020 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 02 2020 04:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 02 2020 03:27 pmh wrote:On March 02 2020 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 01 2020 21:42 pmh wrote:On March 01 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 01 2020 11:41 JimmiC wrote:
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Is there some group effort by the "capitalist elite" to team up and stop Bernie, no. ... I know you don't accept class analysis as a viable framing, but your opinion on this will only increasingly conflict with what people see/experience daily, despite the discomfort it causes. I'll leave it at that. Steyer is out after finishing 3rd in SC. Sanders is the big fear and everything reasonable will be tried to stop him. There doesnt even need to be a conspiracy to try keep him from becoming the democratic candidate,its natural behaviour. Trump placing pence as head of the corona virus battle. A smart move,trump sees what lies ahead and he wants as little responsibility as possible so pence is the ultimate lightning rod. I dont recall this happening before in history,a president placing the vice president in charge of an important situation. (if anyone knows an example? ) No one is going to blame Pence instead of Trump. Trump will absolutely take the full blame is there is blame to be had. I am not sure trump will take the blame for it and i am not sure he should either. If you look at it then it isnt trumps fault,like what could he reasonably have done better? I can not think of anything really. He actually was in favor of stronger containment (when it came to flying back people from infected areas) but eventually did follow the advice of health officials. Also i think the democrats would maybe do best to leave it out the political discussion completely for now. Its a natural disaster which effects the whole country and for which noone can be blamed. Events like this tend to unite countries behind their leader,solidarity in difficult times and such. Putting a lot of emphasisis on the handling of the corona crisis might backfire severely. its sort of anti patriotic,critisizing the leader during a national "crisis" for which he can not really be blamed at all. The only "benefit" i can see for the democrats is that an event like this makes people more aware of the healthcare situation in the usa which could be a boost to someone with a very progressive reform plan for healthcare (like sanders). Not cut the pandemic preparation team two years ago. Take scientists seriously instead of being one of the most corrupt administrations this country has ever seen. Not put an anti-science Christian fundamentalist as the head of his response. Not constantly lie to the public about what is going on. This could easily turn into Trump's Katrina. Just because it's a natural disaster doesn't mean a politician doesn't warrant complaints. Bush was roasted for his horrible response to Katrina and deservedly so. This could go the same way for Trump. I mean his strong borders stance is a positive.It's incredibly hard to stop a global pandemic virus, which survives on surfaces for two weeks but if you're going to attempt it you need to have strong borders for starters.If there's an outbreak in Mexico the wall would slow the spread. Good luck Europe! FWIW even if the USA could miraculously avoid this virus the global economic impact that is developing would still have a devastating effect.Economy is in real trouble. The best thing about walls is that they are well known for stopping viruses. Viruses don't know how to fly you see so they can't get over the wall.
It is a well known fact that diseases are only spread by illegal immigrants. You see, they are very dirty and unclean. /s
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Klobuchar is out and will endorse Biden.
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