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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15711 Posts
On March 23 2018 04:59 On_Slaught wrote: If Trump is interviewed by Mueller under oath, then we will approach a 100% chance he perjures himself. Losing Dowd seems to drastically increase the odds of him having the meeting. On the other hand, also increases the chance he straight up fires Mueller | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21774 Posts
On March 23 2018 05:02 Mohdoo wrote: On the other hand, also increases the chance he straight up fires Mueller Which makes for an easy obstruction of justice, mostly the same result. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 23 2018 05:04 Gorsameth wrote: Which makes for an easy obstruction of justice, mostly the same result. But it has to be after the bloodbath in November, 2018 that would be the result of the firing. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On March 23 2018 05:08 Plansix wrote: But it has to be after the bloodbath in November, 2018 that would be the result of the firing. November seems very far away right now. It's very clear that congressional Republicans will not stand up to Trump even if he tries to just fire mueller himself with the only justification being "I'm the president and I can do whatever I want." Such an action would obviously have to go to SCOTUS to be settled, but that can take a while. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7902 Posts
On March 23 2018 03:42 xDaunt wrote: My best guess as to why the relationship failed is that Dowd and Trump have substantially different strategic visions for how to deal with the Mueller probe. Strategic vision is something that is very clearly up to the client to dictate. Dowd was unwilling (and potentially unable) to assist Trump in pursuing his strategic goals, so there really wasn't much point for him to stay on as legal counsel. This isn't really a "Trump wants a yes man" issue, regardless of whether Trump is right. I think it’s a bit daring to put « Trump » and « strategic vision » in the same sentence. We will never know what happened between the two but everything we learnt about Trump the last years points to a scenario where Dowd has a strategic vision, Trump the understanding and reaction of a slightly retarded 8 years old, Dowd is not soulless enough not to tell Trump what he thinks or at least tries to do his job, and Trump gets tired and irritated and moves to his new toy. You can’t assume that Trump interact with his lawyer like your clients interact with you. Very few people have both such personality disorders while being as staggeringly stupid. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 23 2018 05:16 TheLordofAwesome wrote: November seems very far away right now. It's very clear that congressional Republicans will not stand up to Trump even if he tries to just fire mueller himself with the only justification being "I'm the president and I can do whatever I want." Such an action would obviously have to go to SCOTUS to be settled, but that can take a while. I don’t know how the Republicans could run against “You allowed the president to end a criminal investigation into his own people’s misconduct. You did nothing and it is your job to keep the president in check.” They are already facing a hard headwind as it is. This would be like if Clinton had somehow fired Ken Star. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13984 Posts
Once an issue can be quantified as percentage points the memory of those changes doesn't go away as easyily as it would have a year ago. If trump fires muller then ted cruz is in a fight for his life and the board gets shifted way left as the narrative of a republican collapse starts getting traction. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13984 Posts
On March 23 2018 05:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Hence the need for the GOP to get ahead of the Mueller firing before the midterms get any closer. But to do this would rely on trump understanding how a calendar works. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The way Trump has been acting recently he wants Mueller gone yesterday. he has the perfect weapon a Congress and Senate that wants him around because he will sign anything put in front of him. It's funny how the GoP doesn't understand that they will lose the next few elections so drastically it's not impossible they'll never recover from it. All they've done by electing Trump and then refusing to govern him is make every democrat and independent rally against them. It also isn't really smart to piss off an entire younger generation. They are your next voters after all once the older generation dies off | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32741 Posts
Just found this tweet from Trump as well. Bolton's been a former UN ambassador, and has membership in a laundry list of conservative organizations like, "the Institute of East-West Dynamics, the National Rifle Association, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, Project for the New American Century, Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA), Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf, the Council for National Policy, and the Gatestone Institute." Reputed to be quite a hawk on foreign affairs. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:32 PhoenixVoid wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43509695?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central Looks like McMaster's been replaced by John Bolton. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/976948306927607810 Just found this tweet from Trump as well. Bolton's been a former UN ambassador, and membership in a laundry list of conservative organizations like, "the Institute of East-West Dynamics, the National Rifle Association, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, Project for the New American Century, Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA), Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf, the Council for National Policy, and the Gatestone Institute," Did he just fire another one?! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I love it. Bolton's a lot closer to my views in that role than McMaster, but he's been out of the game a bit. We'll see. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:43 On_Slaught wrote: We're going to war. Not sure where yet (likely Iran given Boltons rhetoric), but it's happening. It checks so many boxes for Trump. His base loves it, he wants to be a war leader, and he might think it would distract from Mueller. I really doubt congress is going to let him tho.. Even the GoP can't be that dumb.. Wait, shit. Yeah you're totally going to war. Have fun! | ||
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