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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: China has a defense treaty with NK. China also has nukes. China is never going to go to war with US. Both economies would plummet unrecoverable levels. The reason China doesn't want anyone to invade NK is because they don't want the hassle of several hundred thousands to millions of immigrants. That doesn't mean they intend for one second to follow through. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:09 Excludos wrote: China is never going to go to war with US. Both economies would plummet to the ground. The reason China doesn't want anyone to invade NK is because they don't want the hassle of several hundred thousands to millions of immigrants. That doesn't mean they intend for one second to follow through. I live on the west coast, I am 100% not willing to take that bet | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:01 Excludos wrote: Why do people think Iran over North Korea? Trump seems to have had a beef with "little rocket man" for some time now. NK is less about funding terrorists that attack Israelis. Their missiles are literally found in planned attacks or intercepted attacks. Israel is our ally. NK has more of the vibe of the country always starving, using the brinkmanship for goodies, and big brother China with the hand on and off the shoulder. Anyways, three cheers for Bolton and congratulations to Trump. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:10 IyMoon wrote: I live on the west coast, I am 100% not willing to take that bet There's also a difference between nuclear war and regular war btw. One doesn't necessarily include the other. That said, we're not talking about the bet you or me is willing to make, it's the bet Trump is stupid enough to make. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:09 Excludos wrote: China is never going to go to war with US. Both economies would plummet unrecoverable levels. The reason China doesn't want anyone to invade NK is because they don't want the hassle of several hundred thousands to millions of immigrants. That doesn't mean they intend for one second to follow through. This is exactly how wars start, FYI. This is 100% a Bolton style argument. China would support NK, just like they did in the 1950s when we had the bomb. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23918 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:11 Danglars wrote: NK is less about funding terrorists that attack Israelis. Their missiles are literally found in planned attacks or intercepted attacks. Israel is our ally. NK has more of the vibe of the country always starving, using the brinkmanship for goodies, and big brother China with the hand on and off the shoulder. Anyways, three cheers for Bolton and congratulations to Trump. What do you think of the idea of people who think a war is a good idea getting drafted before anyone else? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:11 Danglars wrote: NK is less about funding terrorists that attack Israelis. Their missiles are literally found in planned attacks or intercepted attacks. Israel is our ally. NK has more of the vibe of the country always starving, using the brinkmanship for goodies, and big brother China with the hand on and off the shoulder. Anyways, three cheers for Bolton and congratulations to Trump. Israel will not support a war with Iran, it is stupids ass thinking of anyone who believes this for a second. Israel actual defense is never fight a war unless it a physical threat to the state i.e. Six Day war scenario. Unless a knife is at their throat. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:09 Excludos wrote: China is never going to go to war with US. Both economies would plummet unrecoverable levels. The reason China doesn't want anyone to invade NK is because they don't want the hassle of several hundred thousands to millions of immigrants. That doesn't mean they intend for one second to follow through. The whole reason North Korea still exists in the first place is because China sent hundreds of thousands of troops to stop the US the last time they invaded the northern part of Korea so what makes you say this? And China is way stronger now than back in the 50's | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Israel will not support a war with Iran, it is stupids ass thinking of anyone who believes this for a second. Israel actual defense is never fight a war unless it a physical threat to the state i.e. Six Day war scenario. Unless a knife is at their throat. Also, wars have never really done well for stopping terrorism, quite the opposite. That said looking at history before deciding who to go to war to is boring so why bother. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Reality is stranger than fiction. Russia has been courting a relationship with Bolton too. | ||
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A3th3r
United States319 Posts
On March 23 2018 04:46 zlefin wrote: is there something about it in particular you'd like to discuss or hear thoughts on? It just seems like Trump is hung up on the trade deficit issue. I understand that the US has a huge trade deficit with other countries, especially China, but I guess I don't know why that is such a big deal. Who cares? It seems like he is trying to rattle these other countries that America trades with for no reason other than to shake things up a bit and make sure that the US is getting a good deal in terms of trading power. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:11 Danglars wrote: NK is less about funding terrorists that attack Israelis. Their missiles are literally found in planned attacks or intercepted attacks. Israel is our ally. NK has more of the vibe of the country always starving, using the brinkmanship for goodies, and big brother China with the hand on and off the shoulder. Anyways, three cheers for Bolton and congratulations to Trump. When hundreds of thousands, if not many more, die or suffer indirectly as a result of whatever the sam-hell it is this madman intends to do, please remember your cheers. And when you remember, please use the fullest extent of your imagination. Imagine a mother hearing their child was killed by an explosive in a fight they weren't involved in, and how they'd process that. How every single day they'd wake up and think to check on them, make breakfast, whatever it is, only to realise their child is gone. Now imagine that for a different mother every single night for the rest of your life, because it's not even a blip on the radar compared to the potential damage someone like Bolton might do. I must admit fault here, I literally cannot understand your value system. To cheer for Bolton seems antithetical to any notion of one I could imagine having. I mean this as a serious inquiry, what is it that makes you cheer for this? What do you imagine coming of it that you perceive as good, and why is that good? And how does it mitigate the obvious evil? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:24 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: When hundreds of thousands, if not many more, die or suffer indirectly as a result of whatever the sam-hell it is this madman intends to do, please remember your cheers. And when you remember, please use the fullest extent of your imagination. Imagine a mother hearing their child was killed by an explosive in a fight they weren't involved in, and how they'd process that. How every single day they'd wake up and think to check on them, make breakfast, whatever it is, only to realise their child is gone. Now imagine that for a different mother every single night for the rest of your life, because it's not even a blip on the radar compared to the potential damage someone like Bolton might do. I must admit fault here, I literally cannot understand your value system. To cheer for Bolton seems antithetical to any notion of one I could imagine having. I mean this as a serious inquiry, what is it that makes you cheer for this? What do you imagine coming of it that you perceive as good, and why is that good? And how does it mitigate the obvious evil? I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.. well, with his post history, you never know I guess | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:26 Excludos wrote: I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.. well, with his post history, you never know I guess Maybe, but given his last post I'm not inclined towards giving benefit of doubt: On March 23 2018 07:42 Danglars wrote: Haha this is great. John Bolton. And that wicked mustache. I love it. Bolton's a lot closer to my views in that role than McMaster, but he's been out of the game a bit. We'll see. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:21 A3th3r wrote: It just seems like Trump is hung up on the trade deficit issue. I understand that the US has a huge trade deficit with other countries, especially China, but I guess I don't know why that is such a big deal. Who cares? It seems like he is trying to rattle these other countries that America trades with for no reason other than to shake things up a bit and make sure that the US is getting a good deal in terms of trading power. it's not that big a deal; I can say what trump's rhetoric is on why he claims it's a problem; i'm not sure if he actually believes the nonsense of his rhetoric on it or not, so I can' tsay for certain why he acts so hung up on it. he's certainly foolish and uninformed enough to, but beyond that it's hard to say. I could go over my understanding of his rhetoric/claim it if that would help. at any rate he's doing it because it plays well to his base, not because there's an actual sound plan to it. and the US already gets good deals in terms of its trading power, trump just has no understanding of how international trade deals or even basic economics work (or he's conveniently ignoring it at any rate). and he's already taken/supported taking other actions that make the trade deficit substantially worse. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8254 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:34 CorsairHero wrote: T_d response : at least the warhawk is under trump and not Hillary And after all the Trump propaganda has been proven for the lies and fiction they were, you still belive Hillary was intending to go to war. Come on man. There is an actual real chance of Trump going to war in a bit, and you're still going: "buh Hillary" | ||
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