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GreenHorizons
United States23293 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:52 Excludos wrote: I really doubt congress is going to let him tho.. Even the GoP can't be that dumb.. Wait, shit. Yeah you're totally going to war. Have fun! Was that a jab at the GOP, congress not approving a war in more than a decade (but the last one being bipartisan, that this colostomy bag cheerleaded as noted below) or both? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
So BBC is normally pretty tame in its portrayals, but even they couldn't make it sound like Bolton was anything other than an imperialistic, war-seeking [insert the worst word you know here]. BBC - John Bolton: Bush-era war hawk makes comeback Some choice quotes: Mr Bolton's new role will prove controversial since he remains an unapologetic cheerleader of the 2003 Iraq war At Yale University, where he studied law, he recalled in his memoir feeling like a "space alien" among the campus anti-Vietnam war activists. He also helped build the case that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to be wrong. This was, after all, the man who had once said there was "no such thing" as the UN and called the US the world's "only real power". And in a recent op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, he set out the case for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea. I mean that's like a third of the article right there, but there was only one piece of mitigating praise about the "Proliferation Security Initiative". | ||
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:55 GreenHorizons wrote: Was that a jab at the GOP, congress not approving a war in more than a decade or both? Both. Apparently you don't need congress approval for a war any more, and not that it matters because they're too busy with their own thumbs up their asses to even attempt stopping it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:32 PhoenixVoid wrote: Looks like McMaster's been replaced by John Bolton. Just found this tweet from Trump as well. Bolton's been a former UN ambassador, and has membership in a laundry list of conservative organizations like, "the Institute of East-West Dynamics, the National Rifle Association, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, Project for the New American Century, Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA), Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf, the Council for National Policy, and the Gatestone Institute." Reputed to be quite a hawk on foreign affairs. Holy shit we are fucked. John Bolton is everything that was wrong with the Bush administration. Prepare for even more xenophobia and aggressive military actions without justification. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15711 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23293 Posts
Also again the last war he promoted (and congress approved) was one that had bipartisan support. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15711 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:01 Excludos wrote: Why do people think Iran over North Korea? Trump seems to have had a beef with "little rocket man" for some time now. Zionism back on the menu boys | ||
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:59 GreenHorizons wrote: This is why you don't rehab Bush and pretend he wasn't part of a cabal of terrible human beings. Also again the last war he promoted (and congress approved) was one that had bipartisan support. Bipartisan support based on lies mind you. But yes, Democrats aren't above a good war if they think they have a solid reason. I seriously doubt Trump is going to be able to provide one in the current climate tho | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:58 On_Slaught wrote: Anyone disagree that the chances of Trump revoking the Iran deal just hit 100%? Pompeo, Bolton, and Trump are all against it. We're coming up on the next renewal date quickly. i'm gonna stick to 99% on the grounds that trump does all sorts of cray-cray stuff, and I dislike making 100% predictions. for the record, i'm not making a 99% prediction either, or any prediction at all; i'm simply disagreeing that the chance hit 100%. it does seem like a substantial probability; too bad they don't care about the safety or security of america or the world. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21774 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:01 Excludos wrote: Why do people think Iran over North Korea? Trump seems to have had a beef with "little rocket man" for some time now. Because you can attack Iran without hurting US allies. Attacking North Korea kills a couple of 100k in South Korea. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15711 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:02 Excludos wrote: Bipartisan support based on lies mind you. But yes, Democrats aren't above a good war if they think they have a solid reason. I seriously doubt Trump is going to be able to provide one in the current climate tho "Trump" and "middle east war" are the only two things needed to guarantee no more than 1 or 2 senate democrats get on board. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:02 Gorsameth wrote: Because you can attack Iran without hurting US allies. Attacking North Korea kills a couple of 100k in South Korea. There's about a zero percent chance Iran is going to go silent into that good night either. But you're right, it won't be a chemical mass genocide at least | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: A war with Nirth Korea us WWIII. A war with Iran is America alone and easily several hundred thousand Americans dead. I don't get why that would be WW3. NK has exactly zero allies. China and Russia haven't been supporting them for a long while now | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23293 Posts
I mean this is all dangerous for us, but good lord is the rest of the world in some trouble. Trump initially gave the military free reign over foreign affairs, and "Mad Dog" was just too damn sensible. Trump needed to put the CIA in charge of the government and will have absolutely no idea how to stop them. This isn't something the next president is going to be able to fix or will even want to (if they come from the major parties) Strap in boys it's about to be a bumpy ride. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:06 Excludos wrote: I don't get why that would be WW3. NK has exactly zero allies. China and Russia haven't been supporting them for a long while now China has a defense treaty with NK. China also has nukes. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
North Korea is 100% on the table. Bolton is the guy who planned out ways to win an atomic exchange with the USSR and then advocated for it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:06 Excludos wrote: I don't get why that would be WW3. NK has exactly zero allies. China and Russia haven't been supporting them for a long while now China has stated that if NK is attacked they are attacked. If NK attacks they are neutral. | ||
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