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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21951 Posts
October 15 2019 22:35 GMT
#37181
Imagine if someone who said billionaires shouldn't exist got blitz-elected after an impeachment. While I agree with it in principle, it'd trigger the greatest flight of capital in a while, and is a bad idea if it isn't a coordinated global measure. They'd probably all run off to Russia. Sure, they're an oligarchy, but afaik not one that unloads their debt burden onto their citizens like our central banks.

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Russia’s debt ratio is one of the lowest in the world at 19.48% of its GDP. Russia is the ninth least indebted country in the world. Russia’s debt is currently at a total of over 14 billion руб ($216 billion USD). Most of Russia’s external debt is private.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 15 2019 23:12 GMT
#37182
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-16 01:49:06
October 16 2019 00:09 GMT
#37183
I'm not sure if there's a news story yet, but Schiff and Pelosi just had a press conference. Schiff said the Department of Defence was initially going to comply with the subpoenas sent to them, but were told by a higher authority (the White House) to not comply (there's not an article yet but I'm seeing mentions of executive privilege on the CNN blurb on the conference). Similar reasoning was given with at least one other department by the sounds of things. Schiff said this will be used as evidence for potential contempt of Congress charges. Schiff also said that normally what they are doing right now would be done by a special counsel, but the Justice Department has refused to do anything (he pointed to Barr's belief that the president is above the law). He also mentioned that the Republicans were actually going along with the investigation behind closed doors and were actively participating in the hearings usually via staff asking questions, though in some cases the representatives themselves would ask questions. Pelosi also said that they would not be holding a vote right now as they are not constitutionally required to do so, and that they are following the Constitution with regards to the handling of their inquiry.

edit: Holy shit. Remember that Turkish cleric guy that has permanent residency in the US that Michael Flynn tried to get kidnapped and sent to Turkey on behalf of Erdogan? Rudy tried to talk Trump into sending that dude to Turkey, but was talked out of it by other officials after initially being receptive to the idea and asking those around him why it would be a big deal to do so. I think Rudy might be in some big trouble you guys. This article doesn't paint a particularly flattering picture of Trump either. He apparently referred to Erdogan as "his friend".

Giuliani pressed Trump to eject Muslim cleric from U.S., a top priority of Turkish president, former officials say
Rudolph W. Giuliani privately urged President Trump in 2017 to extradite a Turkish cleric living in exile in the United States, a top priority of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according to multiple former administration officials familiar with the discussions.

Giuliani, a Trump ally who later became the president’s personal attorney, repeatedly argued to Trump that the U.S. government should eject Fethullah Gulen from the country, according to the former officials, who spoke on the condition on anonymity to describe private conversations.

Turkey has demanded that the United States turn over Gulen, a permanent U.S. resident who lives in Pennsylvania, to stand trial on charges of plotting a 2016 coup attempt against Erdogan. Gulen has denied involvement in the plot.

Giuliani is now under scrutiny for his efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate Trump’s political rivals. His earlier attempts to persuade the president to turn over the Turkish cleric represent another instance in which he appears to have been pushing a shadow foreign policy from his perch outside government.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15473 Posts
October 16 2019 02:27 GMT
#37184
"I wouldn't pack the courts"

Yeah and that's why Republicans always win, they are willing to fight harder for what they believe in
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-16 03:03:20
October 16 2019 02:59 GMT
#37185
You won't be surprised to learn Republicans have the exact same opinion, in reverse. But we'll leave that for another time.

This debate was ok for everyone, except maybe Steyer, who was barely there. It contained the usual insanity, but they actually went after each other and everyone had some good moments. I still don't see the strength people see in Warren, and I feel like overall she just kinda toiled through people going after her (something new). She is still the media's chosen one though, so if she relies on them instead of learning how to handle it she could get smacked next November.

Biden still can't get past like sentence three. And Bernie still exists.

Edit: Booker's ending was alright actually, but then again I'm a sucker for references to the Founders.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
October 16 2019 03:34 GMT
#37186
AOC endorsing Sanders is pretty big
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 16 2019 03:43 GMT
#37187
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
October 16 2019 04:21 GMT
#37188
On October 16 2019 12:43 JimmiC wrote:
AOC endorsing anybody but Sanders would have been big. This is pretty expected, might hurt warren a bit I cant imagine any AOC supporter alao supports Biden so mo move there. Heck it might help Biden for the Dems that find AOC scary.


There's a decent crowd of liberals who like AOC but not Sanders, future of the democratic party, the squad, and so on. The best political move for her isn't to endorse him, the fact that she does shows ideological commitment, especially right now when Sanders isn't doing very well in the polls. This is a good development, I wasn't taking it for granted.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10643 Posts
October 16 2019 06:23 GMT
#37189
I wasn't even aware that she hadn't allready done this "ages" ago. This was such a given, I doubt it has even the slightest effect.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-16 11:47:30
October 16 2019 11:44 GMT
#37190
On October 16 2019 01:33 Mohdoo wrote:
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On October 16 2019 01:06 Ben... wrote:
On October 15 2019 17:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 15 2019 13:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 10 2019 07:30 KwarK wrote:
On October 10 2019 07:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Whatever the case the EU should take Trumps threat to economically destroy Turkey seriously.
Turkey has 3 million refugees.
Any destabilisation of the Turkish economy will likely lead to a worse refugee flood into Europe than 2015.

The same threat in which Trump said he’d already destroyed Turkey economically?

Trump just doubled tariffs on Turkish Steel and aluminium imports.Additionally the Lira dropped 20 percent over the past 24 hours.

Erdogan himself claimed he would release the 3.6 million refugees if he did not get his safe zone(I posted the link a few days back - Guardian last month) He is now stating calling the offensive an invasion will also lead to him releasing the migrants.Seems like whatever they do it's just a matter of time before the next migrant crisis starts.

"Hey EU, wake up. I say it again: if you try to frame our operation there as an invasion, our task is simple: we will open the doors and send 3.6 million migrants to you," he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-send-millions-refugees-europe-eu-calls/

I love how countries are getting teared apart, a people's dream being crushed, we get reports of turkish soldiers decapitating kurds, the us has committed a betrayal of a crucial ally that will be remembered for decades, and the region is being further wrecked and destabilized, but the entire right wing analysis of this tragedy is seen through the terrifying prospect that some of those brown people might want to migrate to us.

The self-centredness of the right will never cease to shock me. Thousands of people's lives are in shambles, and a bunch of people are dying, and all the right cares about is refugees from a war they started maybe migrating to their areas. That region is going to be a mess for years now because of Trump's idiocy, and his base just ignores this. How do you argue with people this willfully ignorant?


"But if a lion is right to lack sympathy for a gazelle, why should I be shamed for lacking sympathy for the poor?" - things people actually believe

Is this a low key Mussolini quote? I know lions are a whole thing in some facist circles

Edit:appears not to be.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 16 2019 12:36 GMT
#37191
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8001 Posts
October 16 2019 13:07 GMT
#37192
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7710 Posts
October 16 2019 13:21 GMT
#37193
On October 16 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote:
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.

Sexual education is satan's work that teaches kindergarteners to masturbate and turns kids gay and trans, didn't you know?
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 16 2019 13:47 GMT
#37194
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11406 Posts
October 16 2019 13:48 GMT
#37195
On October 16 2019 22:21 PoulsenB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote:
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.

Sexual education is satan's work that teaches kindergarteners to masturbate and turns kids gay and trans, didn't you know?


Yeah, usually the whole thing is based on religion.

It might also have something to do with wanting to have lots of strong aryan children for the next generation to send to war against the evil muslims and jews.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-16 13:50:10
October 16 2019 13:49 GMT
#37196
On October 16 2019 22:21 PoulsenB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote:
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.

Sexual education is satan's work that teaches kindergarteners to masturbate and turns kids gay and trans, didn't you know?

Can't tell if that is satire or actual beliefs.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
October 16 2019 13:58 GMT
#37197
On October 16 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote:
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.


Most of the right isn't against sex education in general, but against sex-ed in the form desired by the left, which is in the right's view inapprioriate (e.g. teaching kids about masturbation too early) or not actually about sex-ed (e.g. transgender stuff).

There are also a lot of right wing politicians claiming teen pregnancy is more common in countries with that kind of sex education, e.g. the rate is supposed to be higher in the UK than Poland. I didn't verify if that's true.
You're now breathing manually
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7710 Posts
October 16 2019 14:00 GMT
#37198
On October 16 2019 22:49 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2019 22:21 PoulsenB wrote:
On October 16 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote:
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.

Sexual education is satan's work that teaches kindergarteners to masturbate and turns kids gay and trans, didn't you know?

Can't tell if that is satire or actual beliefs.

My post was written in jest, obviously, however there are people in Poland that genuinely follow this line on thinking. Anything connected to reproduction that is not rubber-stamped by the church should be banned: birth control, abortion, sexual education, LGBT rights, challenging traditional gender roles etc. The dark irony here is that the same people rarely care about children once they exit the womb, or about wellbeing of groups such as single moms, or parents taking care of disabled children.
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-16 14:09:58
October 16 2019 14:08 GMT
#37199
On October 16 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote:
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.


Their "preferred" birth control and STD prevention is abstinence until marriage. Sex ed of any kind goes against this.

Yes, it's nonsense, but it's not difficult to wrap around.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8001 Posts
October 16 2019 14:56 GMT
#37200
On October 16 2019 23:08 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote:
With the recent situation in Poland, and America's right wing politicians often working towards the same goal, I have to ask: What is the deal with not wanting kids to have sex-ed? I can not for a second believe the politicians are so naive as to think it won't result in teenage pregnancies and rampant STDs. Is this some weird attempt at controlling the population through epidemics that they themselves have caused? I just can't wrap my head around it.


Their "preferred" birth control and STD prevention is abstinence until marriage. Sex ed of any kind goes against this.

Yes, it's nonsense, but it's not difficult to wrap around.


It's difficult to wrap ones head around exactly because it's nonsense. I understand some of the uneducated masses might have this belief, but I don't believe for a second that a reasonable educated politician actually thinks it works this way, prompting me to believe in an ulterior motive.

Tho I guess that motive could just be catering to the masses..
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