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On August 15 2019 10:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 09:19 Sent. wrote:
Not forever. I don't know how it's called in English or German but you stop being an ex-convict after some specific period of time in European laws. The state is supposed to "forget" you were one and erase that data from most of its registries.
I also didnt say say that I would never hire an ex con. I would consider hiring one if the state offered me some kind of a reward.
I'm aware it sounds harsh but it's not my problem how they are supposed to pay rent and feed themselves. That's on them and the state. I paid my taxes and I'm okay with the state using that money to encourage employers to hire ex cons. I just mean that I personally don't feel an obligation to ignore someone being ex convicnt when choosing who I am going to hire. There have been some ignorant shit posted on these boards, but this is close to being at the top. Being a felon is something that can be brought on by low level crimes, and the judge/state deciding to give you a felony instead of a misdemeanor. You not hiring them because they were a felon and not knowing why or the circumstances, just perpetuates the cycle. Most of the felons you'll meet were doing one thing, trying to feed themselves/family. And to be honest, some are probably more intelligent and more equipped to do your job, than you are. The system is unforgiving, especially to POC, and one strike is enough to derail a potential entrepreneur or inventor. Hiring them to move boxes is as low level as it gets. Minimum wage, benefits, and they don't have to resort to crime. You're acting like if someone robbed a food truck to feed their child is going to be a threat to your bottom line. Not even taking into account the biggest criminals are white collar and never get caught or can bribe/buy their way out. Gilded cages and all that. Edit: To fleet, if they demonstrate they can perform whatever job to a satisfactory point, and you even place them on a "probationary period" that is longer than usual, and nothing bad happens, then they are worth the time and effort. You don't know what people are capable of if given an honest chance. A lot of people didn't get those when they got the felony. It's hard to live an honest and law-abiding life when all the chips are stacked against you. People find the easiest way to survive and sometimes it isn't the best choice. FWIW, I'd hire a, ex-con in a heartbeat after a trial period. These people don't want to go back into the system so you can bet they will do their damndest to get and keep that job. Edit 2: For comparison, look up the story of one black kid getting arrested for selling water and another story about a kid getting years in prison for stealing shoes.
I think that's awesome, and I also think that there should be some support from the system that made them a con in the first place for -you- or other people willing to take that chance (and it is taking a chance). HOW to implement that is a dangerous thing, because if you make hiring ex-cons profitable then people will abuse the system, either by using it to make themselves money, or using it as leverage against their hired ex-cons "Work overtime or I'll tell the jail you fucked up and they won't pay you" etc.
I still think setting up a system that encourages employers to hire ex-cons is worth that risk, though. It sounds like ex-cons are placed at a massive disadvantage in life for what might have been a minor mistake.
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On August 15 2019 10:29 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 10:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 15 2019 09:19 Sent. wrote:
Not forever. I don't know how it's called in English or German but you stop being an ex-convict after some specific period of time in European laws. The state is supposed to "forget" you were one and erase that data from most of its registries.
I also didnt say say that I would never hire an ex con. I would consider hiring one if the state offered me some kind of a reward.
I'm aware it sounds harsh but it's not my problem how they are supposed to pay rent and feed themselves. That's on them and the state. I paid my taxes and I'm okay with the state using that money to encourage employers to hire ex cons. I just mean that I personally don't feel an obligation to ignore someone being ex convicnt when choosing who I am going to hire. There have been some ignorant shit posted on these boards, but this is close to being at the top. Being a felon is something that can be brought on by low level crimes, and the judge/state deciding to give you a felony instead of a misdemeanor. You not hiring them because they were a felon and not knowing why or the circumstances, just perpetuates the cycle. Most of the felons you'll meet were doing one thing, trying to feed themselves/family. And to be honest, some are probably more intelligent and more equipped to do your job, than you are. The system is unforgiving, especially to POC, and one strike is enough to derail a potential entrepreneur or inventor. Hiring them to move boxes is as low level as it gets. Minimum wage, benefits, and they don't have to resort to crime. You're acting like if someone robbed a food truck to feed their child is going to be a threat to your bottom line. Not even taking into account the biggest criminals are white collar and never get caught or can bribe/buy their way out. Gilded cages and all that. Edit: To fleet, if they demonstrate they can perform whatever job to a satisfactory point, and you even place them on a "probationary period" that is longer than usual, and nothing bad happens, then they are worth the time and effort. You don't know what people are capable of if given an honest chance. A lot of people didn't get those when they got the felony. It's hard to live an honest and law-abiding life when all the chips are stacked against you. People find the easiest way to survive and sometimes it isn't the best choice. FWIW, I'd hire a, ex-con in a heartbeat after a trial period. These people don't want to go back into the system so you can bet they will do their damndest to get and keep that job. Edit 2: For comparison, look up the story of one black kid getting arrested for selling water and another story about a kid getting years in prison for stealing shoes. I think that's awesome, and I also think that there should be some support from the system that made them a con in the first place for -you- or other people willing to take that chance (and it is taking a chance). HOW to implement that is a dangerous thing, because if you make hiring ex-cons profitable then people will abuse the system, either by using it to make themselves money, or using it as leverage against their hired ex-cons "Work overtime or I'll tell the jail you fucked up and they won't pay you" etc. I still think setting up a system that encourages employers to hire ex-cons is worth that risk, though. It sounds like ex-cons are placed at a massive disadvantage in life for what might have been a minor mistake.
I know felons with like 10 year probation periods. And if they mess up, back to the system. What do you think the chances are they end up back there if they can't find honest employment because of that felony? I can speak from firsthand experience, that these people will do whatever it takes to make it to work and to keep that job. From walking 5 hours to work, to working 2 full time jobs. A lot of them go through temp agencies and don't get hired on as regulars because of the felony and then they are back to being unemployed.
Depending on the state, you need continuous employment or it's a violation of parole. It's a fucked up system but I think people need to take that chance. It's probably a tax write off or something in the States.
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Just wish there was a sign/bumper sticker people could get that would tell people they wouldn't hire an ex-con so the ex-cons know who to non-violently rob first if/when they can't find work (not that the work they find won't be alienating af).
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On August 15 2019 10:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 09:19 Sent. wrote:
Not forever. I don't know how it's called in English or German but you stop being an ex-convict after some specific period of time in European laws. The state is supposed to "forget" you were one and erase that data from most of its registries.
I also didnt say say that I would never hire an ex con. I would consider hiring one if the state offered me some kind of a reward.
I'm aware it sounds harsh but it's not my problem how they are supposed to pay rent and feed themselves. That's on them and the state. I paid my taxes and I'm okay with the state using that money to encourage employers to hire ex cons. I just mean that I personally don't feel an obligation to ignore someone being ex convicnt when choosing who I am going to hire. There have been some ignorant shit posted on these boards, but this is close to being at the top. Being a felon is something that can be brought on by low level crimes, and the judge/state deciding to give you a felony instead of a misdemeanor. You not hiring them because they were a felon and not knowing why or the circumstances, just perpetuates the cycle. Most of the felons you'll meet were doing one thing, trying to feed themselves/family. And to be honest, some are probably more intelligent and more equipped to do your job, than you are. The system is unforgiving, especially to POC, and one strike is enough to derail a potential entrepreneur or inventor. Hiring them to move boxes is as low level as it gets. Minimum wage, benefits, and they don't have to resort to crime. You're acting like if someone robbed a food truck to feed their child is going to be a threat to your bottom line. Not even taking into account the biggest criminals are white collar and never get caught or can bribe/buy their way out. Gilded cages and all that. Edit: To fleet, if they demonstrate they can perform whatever job to a satisfactory point, and you even place them on a "probationary period" that is longer than usual, and nothing bad happens, then they are worth the time and effort. You don't know what people are capable of if given an honest chance. A lot of people didn't get those when they got the felony. It's hard to live an honest and law-abiding life when all the chips are stacked against you. People find the easiest way to survive and sometimes it isn't the best choice. FWIW, I'd hire a, ex-con in a heartbeat after a trial period. These people don't want to go back into the system so you can bet they will do their damndest to get and keep that job. Edit 2: For comparison, look up the story of one black kid getting arrested for selling water and another story about a kid getting years in prison for stealing shoes.
That's my thought as well. Shit, if they interview well that's the point of the interview. I've hired a bunch of kids as their first job which becomes very hit and miss and often hard to retain long term, although i prefer kids that workout or do sports they tend to be able to keep a high pace. I'll take a former store manager who got caught with felony amounts of pot in the car over a kid who's never worked a day in their life. If they don't work out i'll let them go before their 90.
It was my job to evaluate and coach-up people to run the process. If someone isn't going to work out it's on me to get rid of them.
Personally I've always hated those run interviews then tell people they'll "call them later" instead of just telling them they wont be hired. In my experience any entry level job if they don't offer you at the end of the interview you're not getting hired. I've actually been told to do it like that by HR before and I shot them down. If you came in for an interview the offer is there because pay and benefits are set fairly in stone and there is no negotiation so there is no back and forth. I've always preferred to tell them i'm not going to hire them and then give them 5 mins to ask questions on how to interview better so they can move on.
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On August 15 2019 10:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
US statement on the Hong Kong protests
I guess the interpretation of this message depends a lot on what you imagine Trump means with 'quickly and humanely solve'
Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians.
It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government.
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On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government.
The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence.
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On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence.
As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US?
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On August 15 2019 14:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence. As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US?
Doesn't matter. We should prevent harm from coming to Hong Kong by applying political pressure. It being hypocritical of our government means nothing if it helps Hong Kong.
What in the world is your obsession with whataboutism? You've had plenty of complaints about it and you seem to simply not care.
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On August 15 2019 14:58 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 14:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence. As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US? Doesn't matter. We should prevent harm from coming to Hong Kong by applying political pressure. It being hypocritical of our government means nothing if it helps Hong Kong. What in the world is your obsession with whataboutism? You've had plenty of complaints about it and you seem to simply not care.
Pointing out legitimate hypocrisy isn't whataboutism. Remove the plank, glass houses and all that.
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On August 15 2019 14:58 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 14:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence. As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US? Doesn't matter. We should prevent harm from coming to Hong Kong by applying political pressure. It being hypocritical of our government means nothing if it helps Hong Kong. What in the world is your obsession with whataboutism? You've had plenty of complaints about it and you seem to simply not care.
The issue is that anything that doesn't involve 'America bad' doesn't fit into GH's worldview. He didn't seem that bothered by the roughly 1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China, saying something about American police being worse.
This is just how GH works. There's no point trying to make any point about world politics that can't be simplified to 'America Bad' because he literally just doesn't get it.
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On August 15 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 14:58 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 14:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence. As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US? Doesn't matter. We should prevent harm from coming to Hong Kong by applying political pressure. It being hypocritical of our government means nothing if it helps Hong Kong. What in the world is your obsession with whataboutism? You've had plenty of complaints about it and you seem to simply not care. The issue is that anything that doesn't involve 'America bad' doesn't fit into GH's worldview. He didn't seem that bothered by the roughly 1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China, saying something about American police being worse. This is just how GH works. There's no point trying to make any point about world politics that can't be simplified to 'America Bad' because he literally just doesn't get it.
lmao. It's funny you would cosign a post misusing the word whataboutism and finish with the argument I don't "get it".
It's very simple what happened. People are fretting about Xi and tanks while comparable protests in the US are regularly met with much harsher state violence. One that comes to mind would be the pipeline protests where people where sprayed with fire hoses in sub freezing temperatures.
The people being hosed largely being composed of (descendants of) survivors of the US's "boarding schools" that make even the worst rumors of the camps in China sound like bougie summer camps.
1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China
That simply isn't actually happening either.
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Due to Chinas history in dealing with Protests people are rightfully more worried about this than people getting firehosed/pepper sprayed/hit in the US (or France/Germany/Wherever).
Not that these shouldn't be discussed and stopped but history clearly matters here.
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On August 15 2019 15:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 15 2019 14:58 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 14:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence. As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US? Doesn't matter. We should prevent harm from coming to Hong Kong by applying political pressure. It being hypocritical of our government means nothing if it helps Hong Kong. What in the world is your obsession with whataboutism? You've had plenty of complaints about it and you seem to simply not care. The issue is that anything that doesn't involve 'America bad' doesn't fit into GH's worldview. He didn't seem that bothered by the roughly 1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China, saying something about American police being worse. This is just how GH works. There's no point trying to make any point about world politics that can't be simplified to 'America Bad' because he literally just doesn't get it. lmao. It's funny you would cosign a post misusing the word whataboutism and finish with the argument I don't "get it". It's very simple what happened. People are fretting about Xi and tanks while comparable protests in the US are regularly met with much harsher state violence. One that comes to mind would be the pipeline protests where people where sprayed with fire hoses in sub freezing temperatures. The people being hosed largely being composed of (descendants of) survivors of the US's "boarding schools" that make even the worst rumors of the camps in China sound like bougie summer camps. Show nested quote +1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China That simply isn't actually happening either.
I'm not cosigning anything (lol).
Its just an observation. If I wanted to talk about anything that isn't America being bad, I shouldn't talk to you about it.
I guess China didn't send in their gangs to kick the shit out of protestors a couple of weeks ago either, it was all just imagined like the Uyghurs, right?
Nah there's no point in this, because you flat out deny anything that anyone does that's worse than America, because it doesn't fit into your neat little worldview.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/uighur-man-held-after-leaking-letters-from-xinjiang-camp-inmates-says-family
Don't worry guys, all of this is just made up ^^
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On August 15 2019 15:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 14:58 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 14:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence. As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US? Doesn't matter. We should prevent harm from coming to Hong Kong by applying political pressure. It being hypocritical of our government means nothing if it helps Hong Kong. What in the world is your obsession with whataboutism? You've had plenty of complaints about it and you seem to simply not care. Pointing out legitimate hypocrisy isn't whataboutism. Remove the plank, glass houses and all that.
Last time the chinese army was sent to shut down a democratic protest they massacred everybody.
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On August 15 2019 15:42 Velr wrote:
Due to Chinas history in dealing with Protests people are rightfully more worried about this than people getting firehosed/pepper sprayed/hit in the US (or France/Germany/Wherever).
Not that these shouldn't be discussed and stopped but history clearly matters here.
In (3700-)~5000 years there's been a lot of different ways they've handled them but the US has a pretty atrocious history as well.
On August 15 2019 15:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 15:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2019 15:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 15 2019 14:58 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 14:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2019 14:21 Mohdoo wrote:On August 15 2019 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Not really the time to criticise Trump when Xi has tanks and troops in Schenzen that he could use against civilians. It’s good that Trump is trying to stop any engagement there but the ball is fully in the court of the Chinese Communist Government. The fact that the tanks are there is a reason to criticize Xi. We are not subordinate to Xi. Xi should be criticized and stopped from violence. As far as I've heard (I haven't followed it that closely) the police have been far less violent than they typically would be in the US? Doesn't matter. We should prevent harm from coming to Hong Kong by applying political pressure. It being hypocritical of our government means nothing if it helps Hong Kong. What in the world is your obsession with whataboutism? You've had plenty of complaints about it and you seem to simply not care. The issue is that anything that doesn't involve 'America bad' doesn't fit into GH's worldview. He didn't seem that bothered by the roughly 1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China, saying something about American police being worse. This is just how GH works. There's no point trying to make any point about world politics that can't be simplified to 'America Bad' because he literally just doesn't get it. lmao. It's funny you would cosign a post misusing the word whataboutism and finish with the argument I don't "get it". It's very simple what happened. People are fretting about Xi and tanks while comparable protests in the US are regularly met with much harsher state violence. One that comes to mind would be the pipeline protests where people where sprayed with fire hoses in sub freezing temperatures. The people being hosed largely being composed of (descendants of) survivors of the US's "boarding schools" that make even the worst rumors of the camps in China sound like bougie summer camps. 1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China That simply isn't actually happening either. I'm not cosigning anything (lol). Its just an observation. If I wanted to talk about anything that isn't America being bad, I shouldn't talk to you about it. I guess China didn't send in their gangs to kick the shit out of protestors a couple of weeks ago either, it was all just imagined like the Uyghurs, right? Nah there's no point in this, because you flat out deny anything that anyone does that's worse than America, because it doesn't fit into your neat little worldview. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/uighur-man-held-after-leaking-letters-from-xinjiang-camp-inmates-says-familyDon't worry guys, all of this is just made up ^^
Your argument that I deny everything worse than the US doesn't hold up to even a moment of scrutiny and is a baseless charge. Israel treats Palestinians much worse than even the worst rumors about China's treatment of Uighur's for example.
You guys are the ones seemingly incapable of engaging with the arguments presented because they don't fit your worldview best I can tell.
I didn't say "it's all made up" I said that
1 million muslims being 're-educated' into renouncing their religion in China
isn't happening and it's not and nothing in that article demonstrates otherwise. By China's account it's basically what people were just talking about US prisons improving to the level of.
You guys also know we STILL have Muslims from other countries locked away in inhumane extrajudicial black holes too right? Active and expanding concentration camps on the border and further inland as well.
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Tiananmen Square happened in 1989.. Don't make this about "5000 years/history of mankind", plenty of people remember this, they remember the news broadcasts that aired at the time ffs.
Search me one thing the US has done to his own citizens in the last 100 years that was as bad. We are talking about sending the army after a mass protest with orders to shoot, not just the use of excessive force by the police.
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On August 15 2019 16:05 Velr wrote:
Tiananmen Square happened in 1989.. Don't make this about "5000 years/history of mankind", plenty of people remember this, they remember the news broadcasts that aired at the time ffs.
Search me one thing the US has done to his own citizens in the last 100 years that was as bad. We are talking about sending the army after a mass protest with orders to shoot, not just the use of excessive force by the police.
There was the massacre at of Black Wallstreet. The boarding schools I mentioned. I recently mentioned the it was the 54th anniversary of the Watts Rebellion. There was the reaction to the civil rights movement, and the drug war (mass incarceration and modern day slave labor) to name a few.
I presume the "it's own citizens" is intentionally excluding the growing concentration camps (which sometimes hold citizens for years) we have?
EDIT: For those who don't want to do the math, yes he was kidnapped by the Obama administration, not Trumps. Also that's not meant to be a comprehensive list, just some that I had off the top of my head and Wounded Knee was just out of the allotted time frame.
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This is what's happening right now in China:
There is absolutely no way the US is doing anything this bad on this scale. No way.
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/chinas-sickening-acts-on-female-prisoners-at-reeducation-camps/news-story/34d531c19a5bb060881a76ac8b478609
China is forcibly sterilising women held in its vast network of “re-education” camps which house political and religious prisoners, survivors have claimed.
One woman, who was held for more than a year, has told French television that she was repeatedly injected with a substance by doctors in a prison in the far-west region of Xinjiang.
“We had to stick our arms out through a small opening in the door,” Gulbahar Jalilova, a 54-year-old former detainee, told France 24.
“We soon realised that after our injections that we didn’t get our periods any more.”
She and up to 50 other women were crammed into a tiny cell “like we were just (a) piece of meat”, she said.
Speaking to an Amnesty International conference recently, another woman, Mehrigul Tursun, 30, told a similar story of being unknowingly sterilised.
She felt “tired for about a week, lost my memories and felt depressed” after being administered a cocktail of drugs while imprisoned in 2017, she said.
After several months she was released, having been diagnosed as mentally ill, and now lived in the United States. Doctors there later told her that she had been sterilised.
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On August 15 2019 16:16 Jockmcplop wrote:This is what's happening right now in China: There is absolutely no way the US is doing anything this bad on this scale. No way. https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/chinas-sickening-acts-on-female-prisoners-at-reeducation-camps/news-story/34d531c19a5bb060881a76ac8b478609Show nested quote +China is forcibly sterilising women held in its vast network of “re-education” camps which house political and religious prisoners, survivors have claimed.
One woman, who was held for more than a year, has told French television that she was repeatedly injected with a substance by doctors in a prison in the far-west region of Xinjiang.
“We had to stick our arms out through a small opening in the door,” Gulbahar Jalilova, a 54-year-old former detainee, told France 24.
“We soon realised that after our injections that we didn’t get our periods any more.”
She and up to 50 other women were crammed into a tiny cell “like we were just (a) piece of meat”, she said.
Speaking to an Amnesty International conference recently, another woman, Mehrigul Tursun, 30, told a similar story of being unknowingly sterilised.
She felt “tired for about a week, lost my memories and felt depressed” after being administered a cocktail of drugs while imprisoned in 2017, she said.
After several months she was released, having been diagnosed as mentally ill, and now lived in the United States. Doctors there later told her that she had been sterilised.
I think it's more fair to compare China to the US when it was industrializing and had comparable per capita wealth rather than post industrialization.
But it's possible they are honestly reporting their experience, it's also possible they are earning various defection/propaganda incentives (for example in Korea).
We really don't know, despite the hollering about it definitely being totally real. What we have is conflicting reports from various sources of sketchy credibility and questionable motives.
Regardless they are still Muslims, there are thousands of Mosques in China (like 10x more than the US or something like that), and has it not crossed anyone's mind why they would target these specific Muslims and not Muslims in general?
Oh and I forgot: Female inmates sterilized in California prisons without approval
Which also mentioned this:
Between 1909 and 1964, about 20,000 women and men in California were stripped of the ability to reproduce – making the state the nation’s most prolific sterilizer. Historians say Nazi Germany sought the advice of the state’s eugenics leaders in the 1930s.
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