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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11798 Posts
August 02 2019 18:52 GMT
#34641
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.


So, why do you only have this system for people who were in the military, and not for everyone?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
August 02 2019 18:52 GMT
#34642
On August 03 2019 03:18 brian wrote:
it being trump is the fluke. the trend exists regardless, imo. but he has certainly tainted it. a real self-own in hindsight.

there was the opportunity that republicans would elect an anti establishment hero that would affect positive change, instead its a daily national embarrassment. one step forward, two steps back.

of course some will still disagree with my characterization too, so there is that to contend with. but i do think you’re right, in the sense that the net affect of him ever using twitter is always to the republicans detriment. every day more GOP politicians turn to the dark side to distance themselves from the president. slowly but steadily the number of reps publicly rebuking him rises.

this does make me think, perhaps there’s an actual strategy for the DNC to pick up here. if non-candidates like Cummings antagonize him enough, he will absolutely self destruct.

the presidential candidate messaging has, and should be, to not talk trump. because you don’t play in the mud with pigs. but if other dems can get him covered in mud i’m wondering if that’s a winning play. earlier this year i would’ve said no. recently though, i’m definitely of the opposite opinion.

This is part of why I think Warren is in a potentially good position to do just that; she has managed to tamp down all the dumb idpol stuff she put out prior and she could relatively easily goad Trump into saying all sorts of increasingly awful shit on the reg.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-02 18:55:55
August 02 2019 18:53 GMT
#34643
On August 03 2019 03:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Feel like this kind of thing is the reason trumps poll numbers are way out of sync with the fact that the economy is doing well. There comes a point when even his swing voters cant take him seriously as a person. I'm thinking trumps 2016 win was more of a fluke than a sign of some deep trend.



i think people underestimate the extent to which Trump’s base, being old, out of touch, generally stodgy, cranky, and resentful, loves being able to retweet and post on their facebook some stupid comeback or diss that seems relatively vigorous and blunt. just imagine what reddit and 4chan would look like if they were inhabited only by unsophisticated, surburban and rural 50+ yos
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-02 20:01:41
August 02 2019 19:59 GMT
#34644
On August 03 2019 03:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Feel like this kind of thing is the reason trumps poll numbers are way out of sync with the fact that the economy is doing well. There comes a point when even his swing voters cant take him seriously as a person. I'm thinking trumps 2016 win was more of a fluke than a sign of some deep trend.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1157259424794324992

The man whose purpose is allegedly "to unite Americans and undo Obama's divisions" is now openly attacking people and women of color, and you know, not explicitly calling for harm to his political opponents, but showing absolutely no remorse or solidarity to them when harm befalls them. "They had it coming" for disagreeing with him. One more step on the slippery slope.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 02 2019 20:05 GMT
#34645
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
August 02 2019 20:30 GMT
#34646
On August 03 2019 03:52 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.


So, why do you only have this system for people who were in the military, and not for everyone?

You have to ask politicians. I think it should be for everyone and I think people are trying to get it to be the model for other health facilities. But as has been stated, money in keeping people sick and unhealthy causes red tape. If the VA perfects their system, then it'll roll to other sectors as well.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 02 2019 20:32 GMT
#34647
On August 03 2019 03:52 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.


So, why do you only have this system for people who were in the military, and not for everyone?


It helps people alleviate the guilt of knowing they are conning young people into throwing away their lives.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-02 21:04:43
August 02 2019 20:47 GMT
#34648
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.

If only the 3% that goes through the VA system could be applied to the rest of the country, just like other rich countries do.
Except the pills. Why do you have to pay for pills?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
August 02 2019 20:48 GMT
#34649
On August 03 2019 03:52 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.


So, why do you only have this system for people who were in the military, and not for everyone?

Because the main reason why people sign up for the millitary in 2019 is for free school when they're done. I'm sure the VA is a close second.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
August 02 2019 21:16 GMT
#34650
On August 03 2019 05:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.

If only the 3% that goes through the VA system could be applied to the rest of the country, just like other rich countries do.
Except the pills. Why do you have to pay for pills?

Because nothing is free. It's like $13USD for a month supply.of painkillers. $33USD for the good stuff.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 03 2019 01:21 GMT
#34651
On August 03 2019 05:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 03:52 Simberto wrote:
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.


So, why do you only have this system for people who were in the military, and not for everyone?


It helps people alleviate the guilt of knowing they are conning young people into throwing away their lives.


The military is hardly throwing away one's life.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
August 03 2019 02:10 GMT
#34652
On August 03 2019 05:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 03:52 Simberto wrote:
On August 03 2019 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I go through the VA medical system. Some are top notch (San Diego) some are adequate (Kansas City) and some...no opinion (Hines).

Prescriptions are dirt cheap. Wait times are nonexistent for the most part. And everything is free for me. From chemotherapy to acl surgery. All I paid were for pills.


So, why do you only have this system for people who were in the military, and not for everyone?


It helps people alleviate the guilt of knowing they are conning young people into throwing away their lives.

I was 21 when I went in. I knew full well what I was getting into. And so do a lot of the people who joined. I'm not taking umbridge with your choice of words, just so you know. While the military doesn't work out for a lot of people, I'd say 80% get a lot of structure, meaning, and valuable life skills out of it at some point. Like anything, it is what you make of it.
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
August 03 2019 03:50 GMT
#34653
We have to pay for lots of pills in Canada. In the past I've had to pay for some painkiller's but the antibiotics I also was prescribed were free or heavily discounted by the healthcare system, not sure on actual numbers but I assumed that's how it was in other universal health care countries. Ill say that, i'm glad I could afford the pain killers because it would have been a miserable week(tooth infection) without them.
"We didnt listen"
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8056 Posts
August 03 2019 07:01 GMT
#34654

Outside of the totalitarian regime, the orwellian model of society, the labor camps, the purges and the malnutrition of millions, Donny is spot on one more time.

User was warned for this post
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 03 2019 13:13 GMT
#34655
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
August 03 2019 18:22 GMT
#34656
On August 03 2019 16:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1157306452228366336
Outside of the totalitarian regime, the orwellian model of society, the labor camps, the purges and the malnutrition of millions, Donny is spot on one more time.

User was warned for this post


I do believe Kim isn't an idiot. He knows that while he will still be in power, Donald will not, be it in 2 or 6 years. He won't risk his power for a short term benefit, he's playing the long game. Not really caring about the country itself, only his regime survival. There is 0 incentive to have the country be a modern one, as with communication and education comes more contest of his rule.
He is not going to commit for anything like denuclearisation and get gutted in X years. He already got the benefit of the Trump presidency, since he has been recognised by Trump as the rightful leader of NK, and the horrible stuff he does is hidden behind the curtain.

What a fool.
NoiR
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
August 04 2019 02:16 GMT
#34657
On August 03 2019 16:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1157306452228366336
Outside of the totalitarian regime, the orwellian model of society, the labor camps, the purges and the malnutrition of millions, Donny is spot on one more time.

User was warned for this post


I wouldn't blame Kim too much. Imagine your daddy is the ruler of a totalitarian regime and he dies leaving you to take over. If you suddenly give people freedom, they will rise up and kill you. You have no choice but to continue oppressing them for your own survival.

Trump is more like Chinese politicians than Western ones. He only cares about the relationship between countries and the benefits/detriments you get from them. He doesn't try to force other countries to adopt his favorite political/social system unlike western cultural supremacists.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 04 2019 02:22 GMT
#34658
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
August 04 2019 02:28 GMT
#34659
On August 04 2019 11:22 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 11:16 Pangpootata wrote:
On August 03 2019 16:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1157306452228366336
Outside of the totalitarian regime, the orwellian model of society, the labor camps, the purges and the malnutrition of millions, Donny is spot on one more time.

User was warned for this post


I wouldn't blame Kim too much. Imagine your daddy is the ruler of a totalitarian regime and he dies leaving you to take over. If you suddenly give people freedom, they will rise up and kill you. You have no choice but to continue oppressing them for your own survival.

Trump is more like Chinese politicians than Western ones. He only cares about the relationship between countries and the benefits/detriments you get from them. He doesn't try to force other countries to adopt his favorite political/social system unlike western cultural supremacists.

Pretty sure the people would be pretty happy if he stopped oppressing them. Or he could just leave with a bunch of money. He is not there being an evil dictator and all around horrible human being because he has to be. He is because he wants to be.

Im hoping your post was sarcasm because otherwise it makes no sense.


If he stopped oppressing them, they would instantly rise up and kill him.

Absconding with some cash is not an option either. Have you even seen ex-dictators being granted amnesty? The existing global powers will find some way to track him down and charge him for crimes against humanity.

I don't agree with what Kim does to his citizens and I think it is bad, but I can empathize with his situation. I wouldn't blame a person for prioritizing his own survival over others.
Muliphein
Profile Joined July 2019
49 Posts
August 04 2019 02:30 GMT
#34660
Indeed, Kim has no choice. People seem to forget that all these dictators are trapped in the totalitarian system as well. Especially those born in that system. First, it must be very damaging to grow up as the son of a absolute dictator. There was no chance for example that the sons of Saddam Hussain were going to turn out normal. Same with Gaddafi's. Assad seemed relatively normal, and he was allowed more freedoms until his older brother died. Assad maybe the best example. It is not just yourself you have to protect, but also all those that are loyal to you. Honestly, I don't know how I would have managed in his place. We know much less about NK, but it must be worse.

Trump, on the other hand, while you could say he was born into a mob family, as his father got rich by money laundering through real estate, Trump had a real choice. He could have picked any type of life or type of presidency he wanted.

Switch around Assad and Trump and you have the most brutal and sadistic dictator in the middle East. And Assad will be a moderate, able to find common ground in DC, and retire happily from the public eye after serving 8 years as US president
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