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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On August 02 2019 05:40 IgnE wrote: USA is the major source of excess demand in the world. we buy the world’s shit, lifting them out of poverty. but for median economic illiteracy the world economy would go through a serious depression and possible collapse Can't tell if serious. Such is US pol thread. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On August 02 2019 05:44 IyMoon wrote: This is a new take on American exceptionalism you say that as if it were not true | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22724 Posts
On August 02 2019 05:48 Simberto wrote: Oh, i totally agree that this is not a problem that we should "solve" by claiming that people who get into debt are stupid, but rather by figuring out why that happens, and how to change this situation on a macro level. I just didn't want to compound this problem with the mostly unrelated problem of "We are consuming too much and don't care about the climate effects of the stuff we consume enough, and thus heading towards a climate catastrophe". While both are true, and both are problems, I still don't think that it is a good idea to simply throw all problems together into a pile to create one gigantic megaproblem, and then try to solve this. I would say that the debt problem is a lot simpler to solve (not simple, just simpler than climate change), since it appears to be a problem that does not exist to this level in other countries which are not the US. So to fix this short-term problem, one could try to look at countries which have less of this problem, and try to figure out why that is the case to maybe improve the macro systems in place to make it less likely that individuals run into that debt trap. . My point is that failing to connect the two leaves them both unresolved while giving a false sense of resolving/alleviating at least the former, without seeing it's coming at the expense of addressing the latter. It's like looking at an empty paper glass and worrying about filling it up without addressing the small tear from which the water leaked. We don't want to address the tear, or that the glass is made of paper, simply want to focus on the fact that it's not full enough. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4315 Posts
On August 02 2019 05:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Can't tell if serious. Such is US pol thread. It’s all fake demand because it is debt driven and unsustainable. US federal deficit now 1.3 trillion a year or something crazy.So they can’t really raise rates anymore due to the interest payable on the debt being too high.They just lowered them again yesterday right? | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On August 02 2019 01:35 Doodsmack wrote: This would appear to be a pretty substantive bit of reporting from John solomon (whose column is for some reason labeled "opinion"). It would appear that criminal liability is on the table for those who are the subject of the Justice Department's reviews of the Russia investigation. The fact that I went back to catch up on the thread, only to find that not a single person took note of this, is scary. None of the economic stuff you spent the last several pages yammering about means a fucking thing if we end up a dictatorship. Jesus. Come on guys. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22724 Posts
On August 02 2019 10:57 Ayaz2810 wrote: The fact that I went back to catch up on the thread, only to find that not a single person took note of this, is scary. None of the economic stuff you spent the last several pages yammering about means a fucking thing if we end up a dictatorship. Jesus. Come on guys. To be fair I've been ringing that bell (though I'd say we're already an oligarchy and that's bad enough) and my ideas to address both are the same. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
On August 02 2019 10:57 Ayaz2810 wrote: The fact that I went back to catch up on the thread, only to find that not a single person took note of this, is scary. None of the economic stuff you spent the last several pages yammering about means a fucking thing if we end up a dictatorship. Jesus. Come on guys. There was a guy who said he thinks kids are being trafficked and enslaved out of the seperation camps and no one called him on it either. We're not heading tword a dictatorship and nothing serious is happening to suggest it is. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22724 Posts
On August 02 2019 12:14 Sermokala wrote: There was a guy who said he thinks kids are being trafficked and enslaved out of the seperation camps and no one called him on it either. We're not heading tword a dictatorship and nothing serious is happening to suggest it is. I mean they are (allegedly) being trafficked by military people stationed nearby, I don't think whether they came from the camps or just before they got to/avoided the camps is the dealbreaker. Additionally we know they are (allegedly) being abused while in custody and there is no accountability for it. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10109 Posts
On August 02 2019 07:54 JimmiC wrote: Ive read on this thread that China is leading environmentaly because of their much self publicized solar fields. Or that universal healthcare would be far more expensive for the US government. If you dont believe them, that does not mean they dont exist. Also there is so much on that site check out what ever interests you! That wasn't the point back then. You really have a weird understanding of what is going on when things are said in this thread. People where saying that China will be in a much better position than the US in the market for renewable energies, not that they were treating better the enviroment. And the one about healthcare, sure they can exist, not in this thread tho, since that had been a recurrent talking point about how the US overspends in healthcare compared to countries with a more socialized system. | ||
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Yurie
11687 Posts
On August 02 2019 16:26 Godwrath wrote: That wasn't the point back then. You really have a weird understanding of what is going on when things are said in this thread. People where saying that China will be in a much better position than the US in the market for renewable energies, not that they were treating better the enviroment. And the one about healthcare, sure they can exist, not in this thread tho, since that had been a recurrent talking point about how the US overspends in healthcare compared to countries with a more socialized system. I honestly think if we keep going at current trends for 20 more years China will treat the environment (inside China) better than the US treats their own. China is mostly pushing the right programs to fix things. The US is the bastion of climate deniers, thus slowing down change. Both are trending mostly in the right direction based on their conditions. India is much more worrisome to me. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7122 Posts
Ive heard it all get late emptied into the same garbage trucks though, so it may not be having much of an effect til it's more fully enforced. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9234 Posts
On August 02 2019 19:13 Zambrah wrote: While we're on China and it's environmental impact, they recently mandated sorting your trash here in Shanghai, there are literally a bunch of ayis (old women) at trash receptacles that help to sort all of the trash into one of several containers for stuff like food trash, recyclables, etc. Ive heard it all get late emptied into the same garbage trucks though, so it may not be having much of an effect til it's more fully enforced. Manual sorting is prevalent in many places. The same truck might have different compartments though. Vertically as well as horizontally. Thus you could collect e.g. paper and plastics (left-right division) or green, white and brown glass (top loader with 3 compartments) using the same truck. | ||
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Yurie
11687 Posts
On August 02 2019 19:17 Artisreal wrote: Manual sorting is prevalent in many places. The same truck might have different compartments though. Vertically as well as horizontally. Thus you could collect e.g. paper and plastics (left-right division) or green, white and brown glass (top loader with 3 compartments) using the same truck. Sounds very logical, a truck is VERY expensive when you include everything. So not having to have a lot of them by making fewer trips to one spot sounds logical. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Yurie
11687 Posts
On August 02 2019 22:46 JimmiC wrote: The above shows that in fact I don’t have a weird interpretation of what is said on this thread. Sure China could, but as of now they don’t, they have actual dead areas where they just burn the plastic, they don’t even have proper landfills. It is reasonable to say that because of their dictatorship and command economy they could do something and perhaps catch up to the west someday. It is wrong to say they will. So far all the projections based on actual data say the opposite. Some of you have really weird interpretations on how bad the US is at certain things in comparison to other countries. Yes the US is bad compared to how it should and could be because of its wealth. But it has a decent waste management system which when it comes to managing plastics and a bunch of other materials puts it heads and tails above many developers if nations. And China right now is the worst. Burning with energy recovery >>> Landfill for plastics. Not sure about without energy recovery since I havn't done an LCA comparing those two cases. Landfill tends to be the worst method in any case I have looked at though. | ||
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