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JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
MLK Jr's "white moderate" quote and the letter in general gets brought up frequently (mostly by me now that p6 is gone) but I don't think we ever talked about what he was responding to, this seems as fitting a time as any (no I don't think I'm mlk jr btw). It doesn't matter how you lobby for liberation, even alleged allies will balk in the face of resistance.
"A 1963 letter from eight white clergymen — which inspired King's famous response, "Letter From a Birmingham Jail" — told black protesters to stand down because they were inciting "hatred and violence" in Birmingham, Alabama. The clergymen warned about the effects the protests in Birmingham..."
Just as we formerly pointed out that "hatred and violence have no sanction in our religious and political traditions," we also point out that such actions as incite to hatred and violence, however technically peaceful those actions may be, have not contributed to the resolution of our local problems. We do not believe that these days of new hope are days when extreme measures are justified in Birmingham…
We further strongly urge our own Negro community to withdraw support from these demonstrations, and to unite locally in working peacefully for a better Birmingham. When rights are consistently denied, a cause should be pressed in the courts and in negotiations among local leaders, and not in the streets. We appeal to both our white and Negro citizenry to observe the principles of law and order and common sense.
The more dependent on white club one's position in society is the more (likely) they see attacks on white club as attacks on individuals like themselves or "law and order". Even MLK Jr. was painted as inciting violence despite the disneyfied retelling of his trials and tribulations most people were taught. It's also how a party formed for self defense was portrayed (and still is sometimes) as violent terrorists (Black Panthers).
No one claims to advocate for the violence of the status quo, but they are quick to say calls for liberation from it are actually calls to violence against them.
Baldwin says it best imo:
There are days, ...when you wonder what your role is in this country and what your future is in it. How, precisely, are you going to reconcile yourself to your situation here and how you are going to communicate to the vast, heedless, unthinking, cruel white majority that you are here?
When the Israelis pick up guns, or the Poles or the Irish or any white man in the world says ‘Give me liberty or give me death,’ the entire white world applauds. When a black man says exactly the same thing, word for word, he is judged a criminal and treated like one and everything possible is done to make an example of this bad nigger so there won’t be any more like him.
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
There is a reason he hasn't.
The reason is that you're being insufferable. I'm getting second hand embarrassment from a political mile away.
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
I was answering questions and will continue to if they are asked. I mean GH could simply shut me down by writing. I don't actually think we should have a bloody revolution to kill the capitalist class, their armies and supporters. I also don't think we should remove Israel from the map, but rather work towards a peaceful solution.
There is a reason he hasn't. And quite frankly it is fine if that is what he believes and the mods decide to let that kind of talk go. They just should do it for everyone and GH should either stop with the ugly hate part of his talk or embrace it. No need for us all to pretend it is not happening.
I get what you're saying. I've gone at with him on multiple occasions and others as well. Never got a response because of reasons.
By answering the questions, we affirm our positions but also open ourselves up to be learned something and to see the different side. Putting you fingers in your ears and pretending someone isn't speaking to you because they don't agree with you is childish. If someone asks a question, they either don't understand, want you to explain before going further, or has a rebuttal to your statements. That GH can't do that but claims he has and needs KwarK to speak on his behalf doesn't settle the matter. What he said still stands and until he himself clarifies it, he will continue to get push back on his utopian, fictional revolution. Hell, he can't even be bothered to take the reigns of it and own it, as he's stated. He wants us to solve his problem for him without explaining his methods.
The problem for me is that every now and then you think about the world and shit like how we know for a fact that there is slave labour used in the coffee supply chain and that the cost to the consumer to fix it is negligible because the price of the beans is a negligible portion of the price of a cup of coffee and you can’t help wondering if GH is the only sane one here. We’ve all become so normalized to shit that we act like the people who haven’t are the crazy ones.
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
I was answering questions and will continue to if they are asked. I mean GH could simply shut me down by writing. I don't actually think we should have a bloody revolution to kill the capitalist class, their armies and supporters. I also don't think we should remove Israel from the map, but rather work towards a peaceful solution.
There is a reason he hasn't. And quite frankly it is fine if that is what he believes and the mods decide to let that kind of talk go. They just should do it for everyone and GH should either stop with the ugly hate part of his talk or embrace it. No need for us all to pretend it is not happening.
I get what you're saying. I've gone at with him on multiple occasions and others as well. Never got a response because of reasons.
By answering the questions, we affirm our positions but also open ourselves up to be learned something and to see the different side. Putting you fingers in your ears and pretending someone isn't speaking to you because they don't agree with you is childish. If someone asks a question, they either don't understand, want you to explain before going further, or has a rebuttal to your statements. That GH can't do that but claims he has and needs KwarK to speak on his behalf doesn't settle the matter. What he said still stands and until he himself clarifies it, he will continue to get push back on his utopian, fictional revolution. Hell, he can't even be bothered to take the reigns of it and own it, as he's stated. He wants us to solve his problem for him without explaining his methods.
I've stopped interacting directly with JimmiC for a lot of reasons. Disagreeing isn't one of them, as pretty much anyone here can tell you (it hasn't stopped me from interacting with them).
I don't need Kwark to speak for me, but he can treat poor posting with a gratifying disdain I'm not expecting to be afforded (even if it comes non-stop from JimmiC).
When you accuse me of advocating for "utopian fictional revolution" is that you disputing that there's a distinction between utopian socialism and scientific socialism or just refusing to accept I'm advocating the latter?
On July 22 2019 05:59 KwarK wrote: The problem for me is that every now and then you think about the world and shit like how we know for a fact that there is slave labour used in the coffee supply chain and that the cost to the consumer to fix it is negligible because the price of the beans is a negligible portion of the price of a cup of coffee and you can’t help wondering if GH is the only sane one here. We’ve all become so normalized to shit that we act like the people who haven’t are the crazy ones.
I have those thoughts as well. I'm just not screaming of overthrowing the entire world structure because it's the trendy topic at the moment. If I saw a way for it go down peacefully and could articulate a 5 point plan to begin it, then I would. But since I don't have an answer and the power I hold to effectively change anything is minuscule at the moment, I don't see the point of repeating myself that change needs to happen. I know it does. I don't know the best way to go about it, without causing millions/billions of death.
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
I was answering questions and will continue to if they are asked. I mean GH could simply shut me down by writing. I don't actually think we should have a bloody revolution to kill the capitalist class, their armies and supporters. I also don't think we should remove Israel from the map, but rather work towards a peaceful solution.
There is a reason he hasn't. And quite frankly it is fine if that is what he believes and the mods decide to let that kind of talk go. They just should do it for everyone and GH should either stop with the ugly hate part of his talk or embrace it. No need for us all to pretend it is not happening.
I get what you're saying. I've gone at with him on multiple occasions and others as well. Never got a response because of reasons.
By answering the questions, we affirm our positions but also open ourselves up to be learned something and to see the different side. Putting you fingers in your ears and pretending someone isn't speaking to you because they don't agree with you is childish. If someone asks a question, they either don't understand, want you to explain before going further, or has a rebuttal to your statements. That GH can't do that but claims he has and needs KwarK to speak on his behalf doesn't settle the matter. What he said still stands and until he himself clarifies it, he will continue to get push back on his utopian, fictional revolution. Hell, he can't even be bothered to take the reigns of it and own it, as he's stated. He wants us to solve his problem for him without explaining his methods.
I've stopped interacting directly with JimmiC for a lot of reasons. Disagreeing isn't one of them, as pretty much anyone here can tell you (it hasn't stopped me from interacting with them).
I don't need Kwark to speak for me, but he can treat poor posting with a gratifying disdain I'm not expecting to be afforded (even if it comes non-stop from JimmiC).
When you accuse me of advocating for "utopian fictional revolution" is that you disputing that there's a distinction between utopian socialism and scientific socialism or just refusing to accept I'm advocating the latter?
I honestly don't know what you're advocating any longer. You change or modify so quickly it is hard to follow. First it was communism. Then the nebulous term socialism. Then you flirted with democratic socialism and now it's scientific socialism. I'm lost.
On July 22 2019 05:59 KwarK wrote: The problem for me is that every now and then you think about the world and shit like how we know for a fact that there is slave labour used in the coffee supply chain and that the cost to the consumer to fix it is negligible because the price of the beans is a negligible portion of the price of a cup of coffee and you can’t help wondering if GH is the only sane one here. We’ve all become so normalized to shit that we act like the people who haven’t are the crazy ones.
Yup, as I've said (no disrespect) you, JimmiC, and z2c are having a very old discussion, to that point and yours:
MLK describing the phenomena you mention and how he sees fit to deal with it, he describes it as "proudly maladjusted" in this excerpt.
He takes this in opposition of the position advocated by z2c and JimmiC which is to be "well-adjusted" and demand others join them.
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
I was answering questions and will continue to if they are asked. I mean GH could simply shut me down by writing. I don't actually think we should have a bloody revolution to kill the capitalist class, their armies and supporters. I also don't think we should remove Israel from the map, but rather work towards a peaceful solution.
There is a reason he hasn't. And quite frankly it is fine if that is what he believes and the mods decide to let that kind of talk go. They just should do it for everyone and GH should either stop with the ugly hate part of his talk or embrace it. No need for us all to pretend it is not happening.
I get what you're saying. I've gone at with him on multiple occasions and others as well. Never got a response because of reasons.
By answering the questions, we affirm our positions but also open ourselves up to be learned something and to see the different side. Putting you fingers in your ears and pretending someone isn't speaking to you because they don't agree with you is childish. If someone asks a question, they either don't understand, want you to explain before going further, or has a rebuttal to your statements. That GH can't do that but claims he has and needs KwarK to speak on his behalf doesn't settle the matter. What he said still stands and until he himself clarifies it, he will continue to get push back on his utopian, fictional revolution. Hell, he can't even be bothered to take the reigns of it and own it, as he's stated. He wants us to solve his problem for him without explaining his methods.
I've stopped interacting directly with JimmiC for a lot of reasons. Disagreeing isn't one of them, as pretty much anyone here can tell you (it hasn't stopped me from interacting with them).
I don't need Kwark to speak for me, but he can treat poor posting with a gratifying disdain I'm not expecting to be afforded (even if it comes non-stop from JimmiC).
When you accuse me of advocating for "utopian fictional revolution" is that you disputing that there's a distinction between utopian socialism and scientific socialism or just refusing to accept I'm advocating the latter?
I honestly don't know what you're advocating any longer. You change or modify so quickly it is hard to follow. First it was communism. Then the nebulous term socialism. Then you flirted with democratic socialism and now it's scientific socialism. I'm lost.
In all honesty, you never did or you wouldn't be confused by why there's nothing disjointed or confusing about it (besides perhaps your conflation of) my political evolution, and the difficulties of using words that make sense to both posters like yourself and posters like Cosmic.
It's something I'm working on, but sometimes it's easier to just focus on the posts that demonstrate solid comprehension of the subject matter like Neb, Kwark, Cosmic, IgnE, Artisreal, Drone, and some others I'm sure I'm forgetting.
I've taken the feedback I've gotten and after exhaustively trying to communicate with JimmiC in particular (I have examples if you really want to see it), I (as well as others) have determined there's nothing to be gained from me responding to him (or if there is, it's not worth it).
On July 22 2019 05:59 KwarK wrote: The problem for me is that every now and then you think about the world and shit like how we know for a fact that there is slave labour used in the coffee supply chain and that the cost to the consumer to fix it is negligible because the price of the beans is a negligible portion of the price of a cup of coffee and you can’t help wondering if GH is the only sane one here. We’ve all become so normalized to shit that we act like the people who haven’t are the crazy ones.
Yup, as I've said (no disrespect) you, JimmiC, and z2c are having a very old discussion, to that point and yours:
MLK describing the phenomena you mention and how he sees fit to deal with it, he describes it as "proudly maladjusted" in this excerpt.
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
I was answering questions and will continue to if they are asked. I mean GH could simply shut me down by writing. I don't actually think we should have a bloody revolution to kill the capitalist class, their armies and supporters. I also don't think we should remove Israel from the map, but rather work towards a peaceful solution.
There is a reason he hasn't. And quite frankly it is fine if that is what he believes and the mods decide to let that kind of talk go. They just should do it for everyone and GH should either stop with the ugly hate part of his talk or embrace it. No need for us all to pretend it is not happening.
I get what you're saying. I've gone at with him on multiple occasions and others as well. Never got a response because of reasons.
By answering the questions, we affirm our positions but also open ourselves up to be learned something and to see the different side. Putting you fingers in your ears and pretending someone isn't speaking to you because they don't agree with you is childish. If someone asks a question, they either don't understand, want you to explain before going further, or has a rebuttal to your statements. That GH can't do that but claims he has and needs KwarK to speak on his behalf doesn't settle the matter. What he said still stands and until he himself clarifies it, he will continue to get push back on his utopian, fictional revolution. Hell, he can't even be bothered to take the reigns of it and own it, as he's stated. He wants us to solve his problem for him without explaining his methods.
I've stopped interacting directly with JimmiC for a lot of reasons. Disagreeing isn't one of them, as pretty much anyone here can tell you (it hasn't stopped me from interacting with them).
I don't need Kwark to speak for me, but he can treat poor posting with a gratifying disdain I'm not expecting to be afforded (even if it comes non-stop from JimmiC).
When you accuse me of advocating for "utopian fictional revolution" is that you disputing that there's a distinction between utopian socialism and scientific socialism or just refusing to accept I'm advocating the latter?
I honestly don't know what you're advocating any longer. You change or modify so quickly it is hard to follow. First it was communism. Then the nebulous term socialism. Then you flirted with democratic socialism and now it's scientific socialism. I'm lost.
In all honesty, you never did or you wouldn't be confused by why there's nothing disjointed or confusing about it (besides perhaps your conflation of) my political evolution, and the difficulties of using words that make sense to both posters like yourself and posters like Cosmic.
Now it's a political evolution and not a revolution. Okay. You haven't said anything that was in your own words. You've taken your ideas from many different sources but never articulated your own. That everyone can tell you where you got the quotes or where you're getting inspiration from and that nothing you've written has your signature on it, is all the evidence that I need that you don't have an original thought on the topic. You can't pull 19th-20th century politics into the 21st century.
Edit: To be crystal clear: My biggest issue is how unoriginal you are in your writing and the refusal to post anything of substance that pertains to your political (r)evolution.
On July 22 2019 05:59 KwarK wrote: The problem for me is that every now and then you think about the world and shit like how we know for a fact that there is slave labour used in the coffee supply chain and that the cost to the consumer to fix it is negligible because the price of the beans is a negligible portion of the price of a cup of coffee and you can’t help wondering if GH is the only sane one here. We’ve all become so normalized to shit that we act like the people who haven’t are the crazy ones.
Yup, as I've said (no disrespect) you, JimmiC, and z2c are having a very old discussion, to that point and yours:
MLK describing the phenomena you mention and how he sees fit to deal with it, he describes it as "proudly maladjusted" in this excerpt.
He takes this in opposition of the position advocated by z2c and JimmiC which is to be "well-adjusted" and demand others join them.
On July 22 2019 06:07 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 22 2019 06:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 22 2019 05:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 22 2019 05:27 JimmiC wrote:
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
I was answering questions and will continue to if they are asked. I mean GH could simply shut me down by writing. I don't actually think we should have a bloody revolution to kill the capitalist class, their armies and supporters. I also don't think we should remove Israel from the map, but rather work towards a peaceful solution.
There is a reason he hasn't. And quite frankly it is fine if that is what he believes and the mods decide to let that kind of talk go. They just should do it for everyone and GH should either stop with the ugly hate part of his talk or embrace it. No need for us all to pretend it is not happening.
I get what you're saying. I've gone at with him on multiple occasions and others as well. Never got a response because of reasons.
By answering the questions, we affirm our positions but also open ourselves up to be learned something and to see the different side. Putting you fingers in your ears and pretending someone isn't speaking to you because they don't agree with you is childish. If someone asks a question, they either don't understand, want you to explain before going further, or has a rebuttal to your statements. That GH can't do that but claims he has and needs KwarK to speak on his behalf doesn't settle the matter. What he said still stands and until he himself clarifies it, he will continue to get push back on his utopian, fictional revolution. Hell, he can't even be bothered to take the reigns of it and own it, as he's stated. He wants us to solve his problem for him without explaining his methods.
I've stopped interacting directly with JimmiC for a lot of reasons. Disagreeing isn't one of them, as pretty much anyone here can tell you (it hasn't stopped me from interacting with them).
I don't need Kwark to speak for me, but he can treat poor posting with a gratifying disdain I'm not expecting to be afforded (even if it comes non-stop from JimmiC).
When you accuse me of advocating for "utopian fictional revolution" is that you disputing that there's a distinction between utopian socialism and scientific socialism or just refusing to accept I'm advocating the latter?
I honestly don't know what you're advocating any longer. You change or modify so quickly it is hard to follow. First it was communism. Then the nebulous term socialism. Then you flirted with democratic socialism and now it's scientific socialism. I'm lost.
In all honesty, you never did or you wouldn't be confused by why there's nothing disjointed or confusing about it (besides perhaps your conflation of) my political evolution, and the difficulties of using words that make sense to both posters like yourself and posters like Cosmic.
Now it's a political evolution and not a revolution. Okay. You haven't said anything that was in your own words. You've taken your ideas from many different sources but never articulated your own. That everyone can tell you where you got the quotes or where you're getting inspiration from and that nothing you've written has your signature on it, is all the evidence that I need that you don't have an original thought on the topic. You can't pull 19th-20th century politics into the 21st century.
I know you guys are seeing this and you know what I'd like to say about it but I'm doing my best. I know Neb and Kwark and a few others have tried, but perhaps it's time to be less subtle about it?
On July 22 2019 05:59 KwarK wrote: The problem for me is that every now and then you think about the world and shit like how we know for a fact that there is slave labour used in the coffee supply chain and that the cost to the consumer to fix it is negligible because the price of the beans is a negligible portion of the price of a cup of coffee and you can’t help wondering if GH is the only sane one here. We’ve all become so normalized to shit that we act like the people who haven’t are the crazy ones.
Yup, as I've said (no disrespect) you, JimmiC, and z2c are having a very old discussion, to that point and yours:
MLK describing the phenomena you mention and how he sees fit to deal with it, he describes it as "proudly maladjusted" in this excerpt.
He takes this in opposition of the position advocated by z2c and JimmiC which is to be "well-adjusted" and demand others join them.
On July 22 2019 06:07 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 22 2019 06:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 22 2019 05:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 22 2019 05:27 JimmiC wrote:
On July 22 2019 04:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: JC I would let it go. You won't get an acceptable response from GH. KwarK has spoken for him and that should all but settle it. People know where GH, you, KwarK, and others stand. You're wasting valuable APM on this. For the sake of the thread, can we move on? If there needs to be, KwarK, can you allow the creation of a Political Philosophy thread where the majority of this can be held and this thread can be about policies and other issues in the US?
I was answering questions and will continue to if they are asked. I mean GH could simply shut me down by writing. I don't actually think we should have a bloody revolution to kill the capitalist class, their armies and supporters. I also don't think we should remove Israel from the map, but rather work towards a peaceful solution.
There is a reason he hasn't. And quite frankly it is fine if that is what he believes and the mods decide to let that kind of talk go. They just should do it for everyone and GH should either stop with the ugly hate part of his talk or embrace it. No need for us all to pretend it is not happening.
I get what you're saying. I've gone at with him on multiple occasions and others as well. Never got a response because of reasons.
By answering the questions, we affirm our positions but also open ourselves up to be learned something and to see the different side. Putting you fingers in your ears and pretending someone isn't speaking to you because they don't agree with you is childish. If someone asks a question, they either don't understand, want you to explain before going further, or has a rebuttal to your statements. That GH can't do that but claims he has and needs KwarK to speak on his behalf doesn't settle the matter. What he said still stands and until he himself clarifies it, he will continue to get push back on his utopian, fictional revolution. Hell, he can't even be bothered to take the reigns of it and own it, as he's stated. He wants us to solve his problem for him without explaining his methods.
I've stopped interacting directly with JimmiC for a lot of reasons. Disagreeing isn't one of them, as pretty much anyone here can tell you (it hasn't stopped me from interacting with them).
I don't need Kwark to speak for me, but he can treat poor posting with a gratifying disdain I'm not expecting to be afforded (even if it comes non-stop from JimmiC).
When you accuse me of advocating for "utopian fictional revolution" is that you disputing that there's a distinction between utopian socialism and scientific socialism or just refusing to accept I'm advocating the latter?
I honestly don't know what you're advocating any longer. You change or modify so quickly it is hard to follow. First it was communism. Then the nebulous term socialism. Then you flirted with democratic socialism and now it's scientific socialism. I'm lost.
In all honesty, you never did or you wouldn't be confused by why there's nothing disjointed or confusing about it (besides perhaps your conflation of) my political evolution, and the difficulties of using words that make sense to both posters like yourself and posters like Cosmic.
Now it's a political evolution and not a revolution. Okay. You haven't said anything that was in your own words. You've taken your ideas from many different sources but never articulated your own. That everyone can tell you where you got the quotes or where you're getting inspiration from and that nothing you've written has your signature on it, is all the evidence that I need that you don't have an original thought on the topic. You can't pull 19th-20th century politics into the 21st century.
I know you guys are seeing this and you know what I'd like to say about it but I'm doing my best. I know Neb and Kwark and a few others have tried, but perhaps it's time to be less subtle about it?
I give you permission to speak your mind honestly in regards to what I've typed. I'm open to being corrected if I'm wrong here.
Is this the trial of GreenHorizons? What is the point of this?
Maybe stop asking GH to do what libraries of books have been written to do, and maybe GH limit yourself to particular analyses rather than some vague call to revolution for people who’ve never read a socialist thinker in their life.
EPT
