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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 29 2019 09:53 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Do you think the feds should be on the bill for paying people who live in and continue to live in areas that are prone to disasters such as wildfires, hurricanes, and flooding? Or should there be a limit to how many times people can claim aid? National flood insurance is the easy policy to shame here. Since Katrina, it's been underwater and it's never going to get out. Why we waste money building and insuring properties that flood year after year is a joke. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States42714 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23238 Posts
On May 29 2019 10:07 Danglars wrote: Joe Biden connects with working class voters. He's more moderate than most of the Democratic presidential contenders. He's got money and he's got a recognizable name. One problem with his candidacy is having to apologize for many past actions that are liabilities in today's Democratic party. The second problem, arguably bigger, is all the video that exists of him acting creepily around women, especially young girls. He apologized for the behavior and promised to change. Sadly, it looks like it's still a weak area for him. He's the last Democrat that should go behind a girl and put hands on her. ...christ he's bad at campaigning (although let's be honest he's courting some of the Roy Moore "no need to apologize for creeping on young girls" crowd too). Might as well pack it all in if we're relying on Biden winning on Trump being worse, didn't work in 16 and will probably fail again. Not to mention if it works we're stuck with 4-8 years of Biden and definitely won't make the necessary moves to even slightly mitigate the impending climate collapse. Bidens the nominee I'm seeing what Kwarks offering for someone to do the grunt work in his Amazon vault. I've got lots of survival skills, a radiation resistant thyroid and a lot of guns and ammo. I think we can come to terms. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Regardless, I don't think that he's going to be the eventual Democrat nominee, anyway. We need to get through a few debates to get a better feel for how the nomination is going to shake out. The current polling is largely irrelevant. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23238 Posts
On May 29 2019 13:29 xDaunt wrote: This is Biden's third shot at running for president, and that's without counting his decision not to run in 2016 and the possibility that said decision was heavily influenced by Obama or others urging him not to run. There's a reason why his previous campaigns failed. He just isn't a strong presidential candidate. He's a walking, talking gaffe that lies somewhere on the spectrum of being odd at best and creepy at worst. And this is before we dive into a lengthy history of policy contradictions, many of which constitute true heresy for the leftist Democrat base. Biden's greatest strength in the Democrat primary -- his name recognition from being Obama's VP -- will be his greatest weakness in a general election. He simply isn't the guy to beat Trump. Regardless, I don't think that he's going to be the eventual Democrat nominee, anyway. We need to get through a few debates to get a better feel for how the nomination is going to shake out. The current polling is largely irrelevant. More than the debates I think the fundraising deadlines that come after the first couple will be what pushes people out of the race. They have ~15 days from when they have to file to when they can withdraw from the race and keep embarrassing fundraising numbers out of the headlines damaging their future prospects. | ||
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Introvert
United States4768 Posts
1) Biden has been in "public service" almost his whole life, he is the swamp. 2) If the economy remains ok, running as a "return to normalcy" is less appealing 3) These areas that have been moving GOP for years... it's not obvious why Biden would win them back. Maybe he has some rural appeal, but there are long term trends at work here that it's not clear Biden could reverse Moreover Trump may be like Obama in that he has a base that turns out only for him and not for his party. The margins in most rural/outside areas for the GOP in 2018 were insane (hi Florida!), but the numbers weren't as high. 4) Sometimes when watching Biden I really do wonder about his age. He seems slow and distant sometimes, I just don't know if he can do the work. We all know Trump will be blitzing the states he needs for months beforehand with that strangely boundless energy of his. Biden's best chain of events is currently what is taking place: he is so far ahead that he can afford to piss off the left by not adopting some of their positions. That makes it harder to paint him as extreme or out of touch and reinforces his "good old days" campaign in a general election. The media, being as terrible as they are, will try to paper over the ridiculousness that is Biden, from the flat-out lies about his record to the way he treated people like Clarence Thomas (and Robert Bork? He may challenge that one). It will be on Trump to keep hammering away at him and to force Biden to slip up. That being said, to my eye it looks like Biden is doing everything right. The question is if it's god enough. Democrats also don't nominate old people and, as the saying goes, they like to fall in love with their candidate. Biden fails on both counts and right now seems to be propped up on the idea that he's most likely to beat Trump. If that belief goes away, or other things became more important, he's toast. Debates begin at the end of June (yes, already!) but no voting happens until next year... I'm most curious to see what happens in the suburbs, people like Ron deSantis actually did ok in suburban areas and much better than anticipated in urban ones (possibly his support for school choice helped him there). If Biden can escape the primary unscathed he could be very formidable, as even winning the suburbs and losing the rural areas by better margins than Hillary got could be it. I hope Trump can adjust strategy should that happen. I think Trump would rather run against Kamala Harris, and he can't treat the two of them the same way. On that note, I'll just say for the record that people like deSantis are probably the future of the party post-Trump (unless Trump gets blown out). They are quietly working away doing what they said they would do, and much of it is Trumpish/conservative in nature. They also aren't bombastic or overly offensive personally. The future of the party doesn't belong to Bill Weld or Larry Hogan, lol. edit: also please Trump don't attack him from the left... I mean he will, but I wish he wouldn't. This crime bill stuff is exactly what I'm talking about. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 29 2019 13:29 xDaunt wrote: This is Biden's third shot at running for president, and that's without counting his decision not to run in 2016 and the possibility that said decision was heavily influenced by Obama or others urging him not to run. There's a reason why his previous campaigns failed. He just isn't a strong presidential candidate. He's a walking, talking gaffe that lies somewhere on the spectrum of being odd at best and creepy at worst. And this is before we dive into a lengthy history of policy contradictions, many of which constitute true heresy for the leftist Democrat base. Biden's greatest strength in the Democrat primary -- his name recognition from being Obama's VP -- will be his greatest weakness in a general election. He simply isn't the guy to beat Trump. Regardless, I don't think that he's going to be the eventual Democrat nominee, anyway. We need to get through a few debates to get a better feel for how the nomination is going to shake out. The current polling is largely irrelevant. I think Democrats are just starting to realize what a liability are his gaffes. He likes touching sweet little girls. The current president brags about what women will let him do because he's rich. Maybe Trump wins that tiebreaker. Maybe he loses. I think his name recognition distinguishes him in the moderate wing of the Democratic party. He's courting moderate voters even as he's trying to make peace with the left wing. The wing is demanding ideological kow-towing and he's giving it in apologies for past positions and certain policies positions now. I think the left-wing can settle for a moderate who can beat Trump by turning purple states, and I think the moderate Dems can settle for someone left-wing enough to win a Democratic primary. It's a shame that the other candidates trying for midwest appeal are so flawed. (And he can still commit so many gaffes before the primary to still lose it) | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On May 29 2019 13:29 xDaunt wrote: This is Biden's third shot at running for president, and that's without counting his decision not to run in 2016 and the possibility that said decision was heavily influenced by Obama or others urging him not to run. There's a reason why his previous campaigns failed. He just isn't a strong presidential candidate. He's a walking, talking gaffe that lies somewhere on the spectrum of being odd at best and creepy at worst. And this is before we dive into a lengthy history of policy contradictions, many of which constitute true heresy for the leftist Democrat base. Biden's greatest strength in the Democrat primary -- his name recognition from being Obama's VP -- will be his greatest weakness in a general election. He simply isn't the guy to beat Trump. Regardless, I don't think that he's going to be the eventual Democrat nominee, anyway. We need to get through a few debates to get a better feel for how the nomination is going to shake out. The current polling is largely irrelevant. Then again, the GOP nominated Trump and people even got him elected, so apparently you can be the absolute worst, most inappropriate joke of a candidate and still win the whole thing. Not too worried about Biden. He is not my first choice but he would probably do just fine. I also contest the notion that beating Trump takes some special skill. Trump beat himself last time. The only reason he got there is that the democrats beat themselves more, despite having a zillion time stronger candidate. We will see I guess. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4333 Posts
Not that that stopped him in 16’, just saying. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On May 29 2019 15:00 Danglars wrote: I think Democrats are just starting to realize what a liability are his gaffes. He likes touching sweet little girls. The current president brags about what women will let him do because he's rich. Maybe Trump wins that tiebreaker. Maybe he loses. I think his name recognition distinguishes him in the moderate wing of the Democratic party. He's courting moderate voters even as he's trying to make peace with the left wing. The wing is demanding ideological kow-towing and he's giving it in apologies for past positions and certain policies positions now. I think the left-wing can settle for a moderate who can beat Trump by turning purple states, and I think the moderate Dems can settle for someone left-wing enough to win a Democratic primary. It's a shame that the other candidates trying for midwest appeal are so flawed. (And he can still commit so many gaffes before the primary to still lose it) You are totally ok with a guy who brags on canera about grabbing women by the pussy because he is famous, cheating on his pregnant wife with a pornstar, calling his daughter a 10, saying he doesn’t date her only because she is his daughter, and that what they have in common is “sex”, walks into beauty pageant dressing rooms and so forth and so on. So what’s the standard you wanna hold Biden to, again? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On May 29 2019 17:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Biden calling a 10 year old girl good looking is very creepy indeed but if it’s Biden v Trump having Biden there really nullifies the third wave feminists hating on Trump for being anti-women.They can’t compare his misogyny to the dem candidates as they could with Hillary. Not that that stopped him in 16’, just saying. Literally can’t tell if you are serious really. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On May 29 2019 10:50 JimmiC wrote: I mean if he goes up against Trump it will be this vs saying that your daughter is a 10 and the only thing stopping you from dating her is that she is your daughter, and that the thing you and her have in common is "sex". I think he would be OK. Where stuff like this might hurt him is in getting the nomination. What democrats and republicans understand as acceptable behaviour from their candidate is not the same. I thought that was crystal-clear already. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On May 29 2019 17:32 Godwrath wrote: What democrats and republicans understand as acceptable behaviour from their candidate is not the same. I thought that was crystal-clear already. The level of double standard from the republicans is so unbelievably astounding, you just wonder if anything matters anymore. Hillary being crooked because of her emails while running against a man as dishonest as Trump was already something, but saying that Biden is a perv because he said a little girl was good looking (wtf is even wrong with that) when you put a sleazbag like Trump in the WH takes the prize. Then again that reminds me why discussing here with some people is totally pointless. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35152 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23238 Posts
On May 29 2019 17:23 Biff The Understudy wrote: Not too worried about Biden. He is not my first choice but he would probably do just fine. I don't understand how you arrive at the conclusion "he would probably do just fine"? Does he have a strategy to radically change our way of life to mitigate climate catastrophe or is not mitigating climate collapse "just fine" to you? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8082 Posts
On May 29 2019 19:41 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't understand how you arrive at the conclusion "he would probably do just fine"? Does he have a strategy to radically change our way of life to mitigate climate catastrophe or is not mitigating climate collapse "just fine" to you? I think he means that Biden will "probably do just fine" in relation to Trump. Comparatively to Trump, a hamster will do "just fine". For a shot at an actual good president, you'd need to look elsewhere for sure. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23238 Posts
On May 29 2019 19:44 Excludos wrote: I think he means that Biden will "probably do just fine" in relation to Trump. Comparatively to Trump, a hamster will do "just fine". For a shot at an actual good president, you'd need to look elsewhere for sure. Isn't the comparative useless other than to make a worse person (or "an unacceptable person") "acceptable"? It would seem that it's allowing someone with no plan to mitigate catastrophic ecological collapse to be considered "just fine" when they aren't by any other measure than compared to Trump. I suspect most Democrats aren't willing to grapple with this reality. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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