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KwarK

United States42260 Posts

April 18 2019 15:33 GMT

#26941

This is the report’s conclusion on obstruction. They specifically decline to clear the President and make it clear that they are doing so. Barr misrepresented the hell out of that.

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1118898431513305089?s=20

Mohdoo

United States15476 Posts

April 18 2019 15:33 GMT

#26942

There is a lot of ongoing grand jury stuff that is all very related to stuff Trump is claiming innocence of, lol.

Also pretty crazy that Barr is straight up saying "nuh uhhhhh" to obstruction.

KwarK

United States42260 Posts

April 18 2019 15:41 GMT

#26943

It’s almost as if everyone saying that Barr was just saying what he was appointed to say were right.

Mohdoo

United States15476 Posts

April 18 2019 15:43 GMT

#26944

On April 19 2019 00:41 KwarK wrote:
It’s almost as if everyone saying that Barr was just saying what he was appointed to say were right.

It is at least relieving to see that enough of the report is public to where we can say with confidence Barr is full of shit. Even what I have read so far directly conflicts with his statements. Good grief, this election is going to be ugly.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

April 18 2019 15:44 GMT

#26945

The timeline of events for obstruction, which begin on page 3 of volume 2, do a good job of summarizing Trumps attempts at obstruction. Acting like this would have been impeachable a decade ago. Sad.

Also, I love that his immediate response to advisors on the day the SC was hired was "this is the end of my presidency." Def the language of an innocent man.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

April 18 2019 15:44 GMT

#26946

It really looks like Mueller is daring Congress to start an inquiry. He's declined to make a prosecutorial decision, but he's laid out a ton of facts for someone else to.

WombaT

Northern Ireland24430 Posts

April 18 2019 15:45 GMT

#26947

That Robert Mueller has a really weird way of phrasing ‘completely exonerated’

Mohdoo

United States15476 Posts

April 18 2019 15:46 GMT

#26948

Turns out Flynn is a really bad dude.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 18 2019 15:47 GMT

#26949

I cannot believe that quote about Trump saying he is fucked and his presidency is over is real. I thought that was some funny joke floating around twitter, but it’s a legit part of the report.

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

April 18 2019 15:48 GMT

#26950

The facts on obstruction dont look good for trump, that is for sure. He ordered McGahn to fire Mueller. And on pretty much all of these potebtial obstruction events, trump lied to the public about it.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 18 2019 15:48 GMT

#26951

On April 19 2019 00:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
It really looks like Mueller is daring Congress to start an inquiry. He's declined to make a prosecutorial decision, but he's laid out a ton of facts for someone else to.

It is almost like he knows the DOJ isn’t the government body that should be used to limit the power of a president.

On April 19 2019 00:48 Doodsmack wrote:
The facts on obstruction dont look good for trump, that is for sure. He ordered McGahn to fire Mueller.

Is trying to fire the investigator really obstruction if the person thinks they are fucked?

Zambrah

United States7197 Posts

April 18 2019 15:49 GMT

#26952

I am incredibly excited to hear about what a nothing this is and that its exactly like everyone has been saying all along; it was DEFINITELY nothing! Now we can confirm it! Yup, definitely 100% nothing. So much of a nothing that apparently the President thought it would end his presidency. Basically a long winded way to spell nothing.

Sarcasm aside, he still wont be impeached because I don't even remotely believe that American politics has a fraction of the integrity it takes to impeach the orange gibbering loon.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

April 18 2019 15:50 GMT

#26953

On April 19 2019 00:48 Doodsmack wrote:
The facts on obstruction dont look good for trump, that is for sure. He ordered McGahn to fire Mueller.

And then tried to cover it up. The whole obstruction timeline reads like bad Nixon fan fiction. Its hilarious how hard Trump attempted to obstruct the investigation.

It makes Barr look like even more of a political hack for finding nothing wrong with this.

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

April 18 2019 15:51 GMT

#26954

The report also substantiates a lot of media reporting that trump called fake news. The whole investigation has cemented trump's status as a liar.

Mohdoo

United States15476 Posts

April 18 2019 15:52 GMT

#26955

On April 19 2019 00:49 Zambrah wrote:
I am incredibly excited to hear about what a nothing this is and that its exactly like everyone has been saying all along; it was DEFINITELY nothing! Now we can confirm it! Yup, definitely 100% nothing. So much of a nothing that apparently the President thought it would end his presidency. Basically a long winded way to spell nothing.

Sarcasm aside, he still wont be impeached because I don't even remotely believe that American politics has a fraction of the integrity it takes to impeach the orange gibbering loon.

"He didn't actually think that, he wanted the regressive left to get cocky and overextend. Y'all need to get your facts straight. You don't get it."

FueledUpAndReadyToGo

Netherlands30548 Posts

April 18 2019 15:54 GMT

#26956

Important summary on the obstruction: (page 370). Annoying that they made it un-copy pastable....

The presidents efforts to influence the investigation were unsuccessful only because people declined to carry out his orders...

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Danglars

United States12133 Posts

April 18 2019 15:55 GMT

#26957

On April 19 2019 00:27 PoulsenB wrote:

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On April 19 2019 00:20 Danglars wrote:

On April 19 2019 00:09 Wombat_NI wrote:

On April 18 2019 23:44 Danglars wrote:

On April 18 2019 23:14 Nouar wrote:

On April 18 2019 23:12 Danglars wrote:

On April 18 2019 22:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

On April 18 2019 22:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Excellent. Now on to the real investigations, like why Trump gave high level security passes to people who were a massive risk to national security.

Ever read that story 'The boy who cried Wolf' ?
That is literally the dems and majority of the mainstream media the past two years.
At least they've moved on from Stormy Daniels now her lawyer is facing 330 years in jail.It'd be hilarious all this if it wasn't so goddamn pathetic.

It's about time to recognize that there will always be a next crime once the previous crime peters out. The last one was a fake investigation, this next one is a real investigation ... until I say it isn't a real investigation a few months from now, because then this other thing is the real investigation. It's just the character of the opposition, and one way they never have to reckon with their past conduct.

Maybe if this president started to behave like a president, instead of giving the appearance of corruption and unfitness for office at ANY occasion he has (this includes recruiting non-idiots to official positions), things would not go that far.

For reference, I believed Bush Jr to be an idiot (manipulated behind the scenes), but at least he tried to show some dignity and didn't look that obviously corrupt in every decision he took.

Naturally, one direction for you to take is to assert unique circumstances. Because you're fearful of his "appearance" of corruption and unfitness, you can carry on ignoring the past allegation forgotten, and the current allegation enjoying its one day to several months (2 years if Mueller) of fame. Poppycock. I don't care how grating you find his behavior, don't make yourselves out to be absolute fools in your passionate reactionary vigor. I think this is the heart of ignoring everything xDaunt was posting informing people: your critical faculties are never reached because you can't get over how unfit you feel he is and how much you dislike playboy billionaires.

Does one even need particularly developed critical faculties to accurately figure out Trump though?

In hypothetical land where Trump says ‘I think this is politically motivated and I shall be shown exonerated, but we have to trust in our rule of law and institutions.’ and largely left it at that, vs how he behaves in actuality, there’s a world of difference there.

You can’t divorce how he generally behaves from an investigation into him when he himself drags them together.

To consider if what he's saying is wholly or partially right, you must first get past the hurdles of how he says things, who he's insulted recently, the breaking of norms, all the imputed racism and sexism, and your own opinion. I think that's what's shortcutting people that would otherwise actually be interested in whether or not Trump has fully legitimate ire at enemies within the government that used their positions of power against him out of animus. Your theory goes, you can't neglect that the person you're dealing with sold weed to kids when you go to see if he murdered someone, or was robbed and beaten. I say you're letting your dislike permeate your consideration and won't therefore reach accurate conclusions.

Only Trump isn't some "Dr House" type that is "an asshole, but a brilliant asshole who does great work", he repeatedly lies and says outright stupid stuff, courts dictators like Putin and Kim, handwaved the Saudis chopping a journalist to pieces in an embassy, and has a history of shady business practices, among other things.

Hence when it comes to questions like domestic surveillance, abuse of FISA warrants, illegal leaks, you're really not thinking about that stuff and the facts. You're going through how much you hated the Putin summit, or when he called the media "Enemies of the People." It's almost a karmic calculation.

Zambrah

United States7197 Posts

April 18 2019 15:56 GMT

#26958

On April 19 2019 00:51 Doodsmack wrote:
The report also substantiates a lot of media reporting that trump called fake news. The whole investigation has cemented trump's status as a liar.

His lies cemented that, this is just another brick in the wall thats already left Earth's stratosphere.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

April 18 2019 16:04 GMT

#26959

The entire obstruction volume is fucking horrible for Trump (and his lawyers for that matter). Its actually overwhelming to read the level of blatant corruption and subterfuge.

Further, Mueller not indicting for obstruction means little since they make clear from that they went in with the idea that they would not make a prosecutorial judgement on the charge for a variety of reasons.

Mohdoo

United States15476 Posts

April 18 2019 16:12 GMT

#26960

On April 19 2019 00:55 Danglars wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 19 2019 00:27 PoulsenB wrote:

On April 19 2019 00:20 Danglars wrote:

On April 19 2019 00:09 Wombat_NI wrote:

On April 18 2019 23:44 Danglars wrote:

On April 18 2019 23:14 Nouar wrote:

On April 18 2019 23:12 Danglars wrote:

On April 18 2019 22:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

On April 18 2019 22:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Excellent. Now on to the real investigations, like why Trump gave high level security passes to people who were a massive risk to national security.

I am curious what your thoughts are on Flynn once you finish reading the parts about him.

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