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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 18 2019 22:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Ever read that story 'The boy who cried Wolf' ? That is literally the dems and majority of the mainstream media the past two years. At least they've moved on from Stormy Daniels now her lawyer is facing 330 years in jail.It'd be hilarious all this if it wasn't so goddamn pathetic. It's about time to recognize that there will always be a next crime once the previous crime peters out. The last one was a fake investigation, this next one is a real investigation ... until I say it isn't a real investigation a few months from now, because then this other thing is the real investigation. It's just the character of the opposition, and one way they never have to reckon with their past conduct. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24048 Posts
I suppose this is a way to further depress Republican turnout but all of the speculation could have and should have imo waited until people had the report and the last 22 months could have been spent obsessively reporting/commentating on any of the many more pressing issues facing the country and world. I can totally see people reading this investigation for the personal vendetta it was. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:12 Danglars wrote: It's about time to recognize that there will always be a next crime once the previous crime peters out. The last one was a fake investigation, this next one is a real investigation ... until I say it isn't a real investigation a few months from now, because then this other thing is the real investigation. It's just the character of the opposition, and one way they never have to reckon with their past conduct. Maybe if this president started to behave like a president, instead of giving the appearance of corruption and unfitness for office at ANY occasion he has (this includes recruiting non-idiots to official positions), things would not go that far. For reference, I believed Bush Jr to be an idiot (manipulated behind the scenes), but at least he tried to show some dignity and didn't look that obviously corrupt in every decision he took. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10908 Posts
Could you stop acting like it was a nothingburger? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27018 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:02 GreenHorizons wrote: Pretty confident even if a prosecutor like Harris won Trump would be totally safe from legal consequences. It's not like powerful/influential people didn't know he was a flagrant criminal before he even started running for president. Last I checked Democrats happily cashed his checks right up until they stopped coming. Pretty much, his record of general wrongdoing that was technically not illegal is a pretty long list, that also illustrates how warped money makes the justice system. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9875 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:12 Danglars wrote: It's about time to recognize that there will always be a next crime once the previous crime peters out. The last one was a fake investigation, this next one is a real investigation ... until I say it isn't a real investigation a few months from now, because then this other thing is the real investigation. It's just the character of the opposition, and one way they never have to reckon with their past conduct. Yeah poor innocent Trump, victimized by the evil democrats even though he has literally done nothing wrong. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:14 Velr wrote: This "fake" investigation sent several people to jail ffs. Could you stop acting like it was a nothingburger? It's even worse. Barr said that the Mueller investigation FOUND that the Russian government and russians acted against the United States. But to Trump support, they just don't care since it helped their guy get elected. They don't care about stopping foreign countries to influence your politics (and not one step has been taken by the President towards that goal). This "fuck them all it was a nothingburger since Trump didn't technically collude" is pretty awesomely fucked up. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24048 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:16 Plansix wrote: Just remember that all of this could have been avoided if the Trump campaign had just come to anyone in government and said “Man, all these Russians keep trying to meet with us and give dirt on Clinton. That seems really weird.” But they didn’t. They decided to take the meetings and then hide the fact they took those meetings from people. In hindsight would that have been the best option for him politically? Seems this kept him in the headlines and fed the "fake news" narrative like a Mogwai after midnight. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
No he did the report for ME, the AG. I'm here to discuss MY response to that report and MY decision to make the report public Is it appropriate for you to be here and sort of spin it before the report can be read? Runs off --- I mean what is this even? | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
Not much new vs the 4 page report, given an unreliable narrator | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:21 GreenHorizons wrote: In hindsight would that have been the best option for him politically? Seems this kept him in the headlines and fed the "fake news" narrative like a Mogwai after midnight. Yes. It would have diffused this entire investigation and removed the suspicion from his campaign on a number of fronts. It was the fact that the campaign was taking these meetings and not disclosing them to anyone, even after taking office, that fueled suspicion. If they just tell people and say “Yeah, it was crazy and in hindsight we shouldn’t have taken those meetings,” it would have been a relatively minor problem. But instead he fired the FBI director and hid information from investigators during the entire process. This investigation did not help him in any way, only hurt him. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Also, it seems like he disagreed with some of Muellers findings constituing obstruction. Going to be interesting to see what they are. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:18 Mohdoo wrote: Barr's very specific wording makes me think there was some intermediary between Trump campaign and Russia. Mueller definitely getting subpoenaed lol Rhymes with Mickey Peaks | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24048 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:26 Plansix wrote: Yes. It would have diffused this entire investigation and removed the suspicion from his campaign on a number of fronts. It was the fact that the campaign was taking these meetings and not disclosing them to anyone, even after taking office, that fueled suspicion. If they just tell people and say “Yeah, it was crazy and in hindsight we shouldn’t have taken those meetings,” it would have been a relatively minor problem. But instead he fired the FBI director and hid information from investigators during the entire process. This investigation did not help him in any way, only hurt him. I'd point to his favorability remaining constant and going up since he was elected and you'd point to 2018. The favorability argument is pretty straightforward, there's a lot that went into 2018 that didn't necessarily have anything whatsoever to do with Trump, let alone the constant investigation speculation. I'm of the opinion centrists that hadn't made up their mind months ago feel more legitimate supporting Trump after this than not. Doubly so for Republicans reflected in Danglars and xDaunt (more centrist folks like doodsmack [though not a supporter] too). I've yet to hear or see anything of this person who would vote Trump but endless chatter on a report failing to even recommend charges was going to solidify they wouldn't. This, in all due respect, sounds like a fiction of liberal media. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:31 On_Slaught wrote: If I didn't know better I'd say Barr was the personal attorney for the President after seeing that. He dishonors the position of AG with shit like this. Also, it seems like he disagreed with some of Muellers findings constituing obstruction. Going to be interesting to see what they are. You mean to tell me the guy who wrote a memo saying the president cant obstruct justice disagreed about the president obstructing justice? I am shocked! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:31 On_Slaught wrote: If I didn't know better I'd say Barr was the personal attorney for the President after seeing that. He dishonors the position of AG with shit like this. Also, it seems like he disagreed with some of Muellers findings constituing obstruction. Going to be interesting to see what they are. Because Trump has spend his entire time in office attacking this report, Barr is just going to be seen as another person working for the president downplaying the findings in the report. He won’t be able to escape the shadow of the person that appointed him to the role of AG. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 18 2019 23:33 GreenHorizons wrote: I'd point to his favorability remaining constant and going up since he was elected and you'd point to 2018. The favorability argument is pretty straightforward, there's a lot that went into 2018 that didn't necessarily have anything whatsoever to do with Trump, let alone the constant investigation speculation. I'm of the opinion centrists that hadn't made up their mind months ago feel more legitimate supporting Trump after this than not. Doubly so for Republicans reflected in Danglars and xDaunt (more centrist folks like doodsmack too). I've yet to hear or see anything of this person who would vote Trump but a report failing to even recommend charges was going to solidify they wouldn't. This, in all due respect, sounds like a fiction of liberal media. Who cares about his failing favorability that hit rock bottom when he took office? He has never been able to improve it and he barely won his last election. The only way he accomplishes anything is through control of the republican base that votes in primaries and through abusing executive power. | ||
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